Question about Pokemon's Canon

[Nemo212]

Speaking of the movies and consequently the TV show, do the cartoons and the movies and the video games overlap? Is that all one Pokémon world, or are they two separate universes? Masuda: basically it's the same place. Looking at it as a parallel world, or in some select spots being a parallel world might be more accurate.

(GameInformer magazine's interview with Junichi Masuda on November 23, 2012.)
How would this not be confirmation that the Pokemon anime is an alternate continuity from the games?

Parallel worlds have traditionally been an indication of an alternate continuity. For example:

• Parts 1-6 of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Part 7 onward
• Injustice and mainline DC Comics
• The MCU and Marvel Comics

What makes Pokemon a special case?

Furthermore, even if you choose to interpret this as confirmation that the games and the anime are interchangeable, why are feats from explicitly noncanon spin-offs (Mystery Dungeon, Pokepark) used to justify the ratings of Pokemon in mainline continuity? We already know Mystery Dungeon is non-canon on this wiki judging by the Dusknoir and Grovyle profiles, so what gives?

 

[Everything12]

Mystery Dungeon isn't considered non-canon, it's just that as feats for the species profiles of regular Dusknoir and Grovyles are big outliers, but at the same time the feats for the specific characters are too clear cut and story important to be outliers for them, so profiles we're made for them, just like with Ash's Pikachu which has feats that are clearly above the norm for Pikachu as a species.

 

[Charmand3r505]

I always just thought the Pokemon pages were composites

 

[Ionliosite]

They technically aren't, they just cover everything that's considered to share the same canon via Word of God. I said technically because we actually allow more than what has been stated by WoG to be canon.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Don't we already use the anime tho? It's way closer to the games than the manga, and we use both.

 

[Nemo212]

So is the idea basically just "they should be able to pull this off in the games if they can do it in the anime" because Masuda said they were parallel worlds?

That's fine, I suppose, but why is the manga included in this too? Where's that statement?

@Ionliosite ...Go on?

@Everything12 They were considered non-canon on this wiki from the start, and I have the receipts to prove it. See the profile categories, and note that in the page history, it's Cal that added "Non-Canon Characters" in the first place when creating them.

 

[Ionliosite]

Also, while the OP says "Parallel worlds have traditionally been an indication of an alternate continuity", it's not always used like that, for example Geoff Johns always said that exact same thing about the DC Extended Universe and the Arrowverse (CW), and lo and behold, they share the same cano, but are on literal alternate universes.

 

[Antvasima]

If you wish to separate all of the Pokémo profiles into separate continuities, that is a fairly major revision that requires lots of staff input. As such, it may be best to wait until after the forum move.

 

[Nemo212]

Oh, yeah, no worries Ant. I just want to know where the current reasoning comes from, that's all.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You should ask Cal then.

 

[Nemo212]

I did ask him a few days ago, actually. Kind of surprised he hasn't shown up yet.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Maybe he is taking a break. Several staff members seem to be absent at the moment.

 

[Bobsican]

Nearly everyone is taking a break on the wiki as they can't really do much right now with the whole lockdown and the forum move.

So this taking a while to get an actual answer is quite to be expected.

 

[Ionliosite]

I asked Cal on Discord, and he said this about the canon.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems to have been settled then.