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Post-Flashpoint Orion and by extension many others need to be updated to 4-B

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Source: Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps #26-27

Orion's Post-Flashpoint shard fought an Nth metal golem, destroying a solar system in a big blast, and came out of the fight with just a bloody nose: (1 | 2 | 3 | 4)

In the next issue it was outright stated that the mere shockwaves of Orion fighting the golem were what blew apart the solar system.

Obviously this takes place in the Rebirth era, but this is the exact same Orion shard that was in various N52 stories. He's literally the same, as are all the New Gods that appear in N52/Rebirth. Highfather's Post-Flashpoint shard even appears in the updated Quintessence in Snyder's Justice League #1.

Feat #2
There's also evidence that he was at the same power level during the actual New 52 years (from the first issue of the Green Lantern/New Gods crossover: The same Orion was shrugging off blasts from Mogo, who has his own 4-B feat from the New 52 era that is linked on his page. Considering Mogo's blasts should require more effort than his 4-B feat, which was just shining really brightly...

So really, the Rebirth era feat is technically not needed, but it is definitely solid supporting evidence.

I'm also fairly certain I recall something about N52 Superman and exploding stars but I can't remember from where. Either way, that would just be more supporting evidence that isn't really needed.

Who Scales?
All the N52 Superman-tiered characters that are currently listed as Tier 5. This would also clear up the weird thing on this site where the Rebirth characters are listed as "Possibly 4-B", rather they are 4-B.

  • N52 Superman actually fought and matched Orion in Issue 20. Orion stated at the end that he actually tried to kill Superman. Superman caused Orion more trouble than Mogo's blasts did.
  • N52 Wonder Woman was consistently shown as comparable to Orion in her solo run.
  • Darkseid's Post-Flashpoint key
  • Black Racer's Post-Flashpoint key
  • Post-Flashpoint Swamp Thing
  • Post-Flashpoint Aquaman
  • Post-Flashpoint Cyborg (not entirely sure on his scaling, at least pre-Metal, but that's not relevant to this CRT)
  • Post-Flashpoint Supergirl
  • Post-Flashpoint Rao
  • Brainiac's Post-Flashpoint key
  • H'el
  • The Batman Who Laughs' weaponry
  • The Drowned (I'm not sure why she's 5-A to begin with since Rebirth Aquaman is already listed as Possibly 4-B. She should be too)
  • The Merciless (same issue as the Drowned)
  • The Murder Machine (same issue as the Drowned)
  • Post-Flashpoint Batman's Hellbat key
  • Kenan Kong (I have some reservations about his current scaling but that's for some other time)
 
Depends on what you mean by most. For example, I listed Post-Flashpoint Aquaman because this site currently scales him to Superman, but there's no doubt in my mind that Orion is greater than Aquaman.

Superman on the other hand is pretty blatantly Orion's equal or at least rival in power, as was N52 WW. By extension people that are >= Superman, like Post-Flashpoint Darkseid and Black Racer, scale to Orion without a doubt.
 
Did these feats happen during the Post-Flashpoint or Post-Rebirth era?
 
Feat 2 was N52, Feat 1 was Rebirth but with the exact same avatar. The N52 feat is consistent with the Rebirth one.
 
The first appears to be Rebirth era, but features the same Orion as the one which appears in the N52.

The second is a scaling feat VS Mogo the Living Planet.
 
Okay. You can probably remove the "likely" ratings for the Rebirth characters then. You need to add justification texts though.
 
Do regular Green Lanterns scale from Mogo?
 
Okay. I suppose that 4-B seems to make sense then. What do you think Matthew?
 
Since Orion no-selling Mogo's blasts is Pre-Rebirth can we update the N52 profiles as well? Both that and Mogo's 4-B feat are Pre-Rebirth.
 
Well, I personally don't mind, but we preferably need some more input.
 
@Ant

So if this is fine can you unlock these:

Superman (Post-Flashpoint)

Batman (Post-Flashpoint)

Brainiac

Darkseid

Orion

Swamp Thing (Post-Flashpoint)
 
Okay. Aren't there any other Post-Flashpoint DC Comics profiles?
 
Tell me here when you are done.
 
It said part of. We don't know how much. But destroying a star system is different from solar system since your destroying stars only and not planets. So it does validate some level of 4-A.
 
Hmm surprisingly consistent with some universe lighting calls I've seen abd some from PC (also that reminds me I had some Marvel feats to show Maximoff at some point)
 
Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
It said part of. We don't know how much. But destroying a star system is different from solar system since your destroying stars only and not planets. So it does validate some level of 4-A.
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Destroying the Solar System imply the destruction of a star tho (the sun) a Star system is composed of more than 2 star but yeah, it's 4-A anyway.

@Ant Really?
 
@The Causality

Yes. We need specifications/clarifications to count it as more than a star and its orbiting planets.
 
@OP Can you send me the link/tell me which volume this feat is? i guess more context is needed because "star system" can mean many thing

Or better, if you know if this "star system" is "planetary" or "stellar"
 
@Ant

Those profiles are done and can be locked again. I need to do work now but I'll update all the other Post-Flashpoint profiles later today.

Also, Crono and Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe) need their victories over Superman and Darkseid, respectively, removed due to the updated stats. Their profiles are currently locked so I couldn't change them.

@Causality

It's from Hal Jordan and the GLC issues 26-27 (volume 4 in trade paperback). I just read it a couple days ago so I can tell you for sure there's no further context implying multiple stars were in the system.
 
Speaking about Supes New 52, shouldn't his MFTL+ flying speed feats scale his combat speed/reactions instead to be separated?
 
Probably, yes. Please elaborate.
 
Antvasima said:
Probably, yes. Please elaborate.
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Both Post Crisis and Pre Crisis Superman's speeds scale from flying speed feats, or from characters who had such feats.

And this is the same with many other DC or Marvel characters, so i don't see why New 52 should be treated differently.
 
That is true. He should probably be MFTL+ then.
 
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