Possible Sans downgrade

[Ayewale]

I looked over Sans page and I noticed two very odd things.

"Attack Potency: Small Building level physically (The weakest monster who can be faced in combat, even below Monster Kid in terms of raw strength. However, he is still roughly comparable to the lowest tier monsters)"

"Durability: Small Building level (Should be at least somewhat comparable to zero DETERMINATION Frisk, who could tank an oven overloading and emitting this much force without any damage whatsoever)"

"Range: At least dozens of meters via bone attacks, significantly higher via Gaster Blasters and teleportation to an unknown extent"


Where are any of these figures coming from? His durability is a very big assumption. There's no reliable way to compare his defense with that of Frisk's, so this statement is completely unfounded. A much better statistic for his durability would be 'Unknown', since at the very least that wouldn't be such a blantant speculation.

His Attack Potency also seems pretty confusing. It's stating that "Well, he SHOULD be comparable to the strength of the lowest-tier monsters", which is a statement that fails. How do we know that he's on their level? What if he's below it? The only thing stating he's on their level is his ATK stat when compared to Froggit-except the only damage we've seen Froggit do is SOUL Damage, which ignores conventional durability and would not be a reliable indicator of actual strength. So this isn't reliable to decide his AP. Again, it'd be virtually better if he had 'Unknown'.

Finally, his range. While not too bad, I'm wondering where "dozens of meters" is coming from, since there's no indication of how far his bones can cover. Gaster Blasters have a higher range than the bones, but we still don't know the bones' range. To be fair, "Unknown" range doesn't sound very right.

 

[Kyleb79]

Durability- He has 1 DF so he's roughly comparable as well as he tanked some heat In hotland which brings him on this level.

AP- We take as If The Undertale Characters attack The Physical form and soul at the same time to an extent and he has 1 ATK so he should be comparable.

Range- You gotta wait for other people to reply cause I don't know this one.

 

[Ayewale]

AP - We take it as that? I doubt we do, because that doesn't really seem to make a whole lot of sense. There's extremely minimal, if not nonexistent evidence suggesting that SOUL Battles take place in the real world. Hell, there's even some evidence suggesting otherwise, such as when Asgore destroyed the protagonist's MERCY button during their SOUL Battle, which would be impossible to do in the real world.

As for the Hotland thing, I've never seen Frisk get a durability boost for surviving in Hotland, and this isn't stated on Sans page either. And Frisk does not have a DEF stat to compare Sans with.

 

[Kyleb79]

AP - We take it as that? I doubt we do, because that doesn't really seem to make a whole lot of sense. There's extremely minimal, if not nonexistent evidence suggesting that SOUL Battles take place in the real world. Hell, there's even some evidence suggesting otherwise, such as when Asgore destroyed the protagonist's MERCY button during their SOUL Battle, which would be impossible to do in the real world.
As for the Hotland thing, I've never seen Frisk get a durability boost for surviving in Hotland, and this isn't stated on Sans page either. And Frisk does not have a DEF stat to compare Sans with.

Sorry It took so long to reply.

-Yes, we take It as If UT attack on physical and spritual levels(Soul Manipulation) As stated In many and I mean many threads. As well as they also resist Soul magic so they Can take hits at his soul like a normal attack.

-Frisk Is tanking all that heat which Is at the very least 9000 degrees Frisk does have an DEF and ATK He also tanked the heat In hotland Undyne also stated without her armor on that Hotland was a hot place when she easily tanked a Mettaton Oven which I already stated to be 9000 degrees.

 

[Ayewale]

-Your point on Frisk surviving the heat is a good one, except there's one huge flaw: Mettaton says that they ca reach up to 9000 degrees, indicating that 9K degrees is the maximum. However, in your example you use 9K as the default, which doesn't really work. This is like assuming every human character in fiction is Peak Human because they can be.

-Being stated in many threads is very good, but I'm much more interested in in-game statements.

 

[Kyleb79]

-Your point on Frisk surviving the heat is a good one, except there's one huge flaw: Mettaton says that they ca reach up to 9000 degrees, indicating that 9K degrees is the maximum. However, in your example you use 9K as the default, which doesn't really work. This is like assuming every human character in fiction is Peak Human because they can be.
-Being stated in many threads is very good, but I'm much more interested in in-game statements.

-Sans tanks the heat In hotland like nothing Undyne states that hotland Is a really hot place when she easily tanked an oven when that calc was Small Building level.

- Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot knows how the physical thing works.