Possible Annihilus upgrade

[Roachman40]

The Upgrade will be separated into two parts.

Tier Upgrade

• Was gonna tap into the power of franklin richards
• Drained the energy of Odi
• Considered himself to transcend the time/space continuum, and will be "the most powerful being in all the universes"
• Commanded the annihilation wave, which hurt Aegis and Tenebrous, which are considered a threat to the universe
• Considered a universal threat

• Slaughtered all the Celestials

New Powers and Resistances

• Resistance to Magic (Unaffected by the hexes of scarlet witch.)

• Resistance to Air Manipulation (unaffected by the wind bomb.)

• Animal Manipulation (Can summon extraterrestrial creatures via his control rod.)

• Resistance to Reality Warping (Was able to morph his body to become 3-Dimensional, even after being turned into a 2-Dimensional being.)

• Minor Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Had his mind-controlled by thanos, although only for a short time.)

• Resurrection (Is in a cycle of rebirth.)

• Time Manipulation and Spatial Manipulation via This

• Soul Manipulation (Drained the life-forces of dead asgardians.)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'll follow for now, but look at the scans later.

 

[GyroNutz]

Someone more knowledgable on Marvel power scaling can see if the AP stuff is legit. As for the powers and abilities:

Resistance to Magic seems fine, as does resistance to mind manipulation (assuming that before that panel, Annihilus was indeed mindhaxed. Could be clarified). Resurrection also seems fine, assuming context points to that being the case.

Resistance to air manipulation is just him being strong enough to withstand the force of a hurricane, Animal Manipulation just seems like summoning rather than being able to control animals around him, resistance to Reality Warping just seems like his own Reality Warping used as a counter, soul manipulation looks like Life Manipulation and Absorption. While he might have had time and space manipulation, context points to it being very shortlived, so I don't think I'll accept that.

 

[Roachman40]

Someone more knowledgable on Marvel power scaling can see if the AP stuff is legit. As for the powers and abilities:
Resistance to Magic seems fine, as does resistance to mind manipulation (assuming that before that panel, Annihilus was indeed mindhaxed. Could be clarified). Resurrection also seems fine, assuming context points to that being the case.

Resistance to air manipulation is just him being strong enough to withstand the force of a hurricane, Animal Manipulation just seems like summoning rather than being able to control animals around him, resistance to Reality Warping just seems like his own Reality Warping used as a counter, soul manipulation looks like Life Manipulation and Absorption. While he might have had time and space manipulation, context points to it being very shortlived, so I don't think I'll accept that.

I see, thanks!

 

[GyroNutz]

No worries.

To save ant the trouble, here's the list of members you can contact about marvel comics:

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[Roachman40]

Thanks for the list!

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'll look more into it, but from memory he isn't consistently shown to be Tier 2 over Tier 4 enough to warrant a solid upgrade. But as I said I'll look more into jt.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looking through the scans, I got no comment on the AP given Marvel's inconsistencies though I think he has multiple keys. But as for the various powers and abilities, I have pretty much the same thoughts as GyroNutz.

 

[Roachman40]

Another thing is that he is the alleged first-born of Oblivio?

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

For the AP stuff:

• Those scans don't give any context on the time when he said he did tap into his power, and what power level it granted him

• Draining a minute part of Odin's life energy while Odin is sleeping doesn't mean anything

• Annihilus is saying he wants time travel and that he'll be powerful with it, doesn't mean anything AP-wise

• Those Annihilation files don't refer to things like universe-busting. They mean that the person on the file is a threat on that scale, as in they can go all over the universe and kill everything. Those two have universal scaling back them, but the Annihilation Wave definitely does not.

• See above. Annihilus was going all over the universe with his Wave and killing stuff.

• That doesn't scale to Annihilus, it scales to Adam's pre-Tribunal form turned into a weapon

• The statement about Oblivion doesn't mean anything

Overall, nothing here makes me think the AP should be changed.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Agreed with Prince of the Morning.

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

For the abilities:

• The air resistance is just normal durability

• More like Summoning

• Mind resistance scan has no mind attack shown, just imprisonment in an energy field

• Spacetime needs the page after for context, because the scans shown imply Annihilus didn't know how to control the Rod's new spacetime properties and messed up

• Soul sounds more like Life Force Absorption

The others are tentatively okay without further context.

 

[Roachman40]

Ok, Thanks guys!

 

[Antvasima]

POTM's analysis is probably fine.

 

[Roachman40]

Wouldn't that be 2-A via Technology?

Besides that, should I add the fixed powers and abilities?

 

[Roachman40]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

POTM's analysis is probably fine.

I would prefer if somebody experienced handles the edits though.

 

[Roachman40]

POTM's analysis is probably fine.

I would prefer if somebody experienced handles the edits though.

ok

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Wouldn't that be 2-A via Technology?

Besides that, should I add the fixed powers and abilities?

that weapons was only used in that single story line and it was through very specific actions

which involved useing adam warlock as he consumed a part of the living tribunals form which doesn't really happen often

 

[Roachman40]

Wouldn't that be 2-A via Technology?
Besides that, should I add the fixed powers and abilities?

that weapons was only used in that single story line and it was through very specific actions
which involved useing adam warlock as he consumed a part of the living tribunals form which doesn't really happen often

Adam Warlock has been shown to fight Tier: 2 Characters multiple times, for example. fought Mephisto more than once, and withstood Mephistos Hellfire Ash, Annihilus even Restrained him (although it felt like an outlier). Also, 'Annihilation' was an important comic, and changed many characters storyline wise, showing it is somewhat consistent.

 

[Roachman40]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask POTM to comment here again via his message wall.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Adam Warlock has been shown to fight Tier: 2 Characters multiple times, for example. fought Mephisto more than once, and withstood Mephistos Hellfire Ash, Annihilus even Restrained him (although it felt like an outlier). Also, 'Annihilation' was an important comic, and changed many characters storyline wise, showing it is somewhat consistent.

yes adam is tier 2 (with his hax) but at that time he has absorbed a portion of the living tribunals power aka not adams normal power level and he was in a bit of a coma because of it so he couldn't fight back

and thats not adam warlock annihilus is restraining thats Quasar

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'll edit it, just tell me what needs to be added.

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

@Roach

It's not part of any of Annihilus' standard tech. It was a single storyline, dependent on using another character as a weapon, and potentially non-canon to 616 in the first place.

 

[Antvasima]

@POTM

So what remains to do here?

 

[Roachman40]

Adam Warlock has been shown to fight Tier: 2 Characters multiple times, for example. fought Mephisto more than once, and withstood Mephistos Hellfire Ash, Annihilus even Restrained him (although it felt like an outlier). Also, 'Annihilation' was an important comic, and changed many characters storyline wise, showing it is somewhat consistent.

yes adam is tier 2 (with his hax) but at that time he has absorbed a portion of the living tribunals power aka not adams normal power level and he was in a bit of a coma because of it so he couldn't fight back
and thats not adam warlock annihilus is restraining thats Quasar

Oh. I did not know that, thanks!

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

@Ant

There's some abilities Roachman can add.

 

[Roachman40]

@Ant
There's some abilities Roachman can add.

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Roachman has a history of unprofessional edits though. Would somebody experienced be willing to handle it instead?

 

[Roachman40]

..It seems nobody wants to add the new abilities

 

[Antvasima]

What is supposed to be added here in summary?

 

[Roachman40]

Just the revisioned powers, thats it really.

 

[Antvasima]

Which were accepted?

 

[Roachman40]

• Resurrection
• Soul Manipulation is changed to Life Absorption
• Summoning
• Resistance to Magic
• Reality Warping

these where the things that where accepted.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Roachman40]

the stuff was added, this thread should be closed

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.