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One Step Closer to a Full Verse Revision, Part 3 (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)

It's the main and most powerful TTGL character's turn

Tier: Unknown; At most 7-B in Lagann | Unknown; At least High 6-A via Core Drill, higher in Lagann | 9-B, higher via Pistol, At least High 6-A via Core Drill, higher in Lagann | High 1-C, higher in Tengen Toppa Lagann | High 1-C

Powers and Abilities:
Episodes 1-14/Gurren-hen:
Base:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Vehicular Mastery
Empowerment, Supernatural Willpower, Energy Manipulation, Reactive Evolution, Technology Manipulation (Standard abilities given by Spiral Power)
Genius Intelligence (Can come up with strategies in the heat of battle. Episode 3; made a plan to sneak up on Viral, and managed to damage his gunman. Episode 7; made a plan to make Dai-Gunzan fall in a hole. Episode 17; came up with a plan to get past the Mugann, and sneak attack the upper-class Mugann)
Lagann: Same as before, Acrobatics
Weapon Mastery, Natural Weaponry (Can use and create drills from its body)
Regeneration (Low. Capable of regenerating basic exterior damage in a short amount of time)
Forcefield Creation (Can create a spiral power forcefield)
Enhanced Senses (Being in a mecha, pilots can perceive actions far better)
Flight (Obviously... can fly via its rocket or whatever its called, i forgot)
Fusionism (Can combine with any mecha assimilated by Lagann)


Episode 15:
Base:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Vehicular Mastery, Empowerment, Supernatural Willpower, Energy Manipulation, Reactive Evolution, Technology Manipulation, Genius Intelligence
Lagann: Same as before, Martial Arts (This is when Lagann was actually shown to fight hand-to-hand with Lordgenome)
Acrobatics, Weapon Mastery, Natural Weaponry, Regeneration (Low), Forcefield Creation, Enhanced Senses, Flight, Fusionism

Episodes 17-26/Lagann-hen:
Base:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Acrobatics (Episode 20; it was shown that he's capable fighting on foot, even doing a backflip fast enough to dodge Viral's attack in prison)
Vehicular Mastery, Empowerment, Supernatural Willpower, Weapon Mastery, Danmaku (Episode 21; it was shown that Simon is highly skilled with a pistol, so much so that he shot at Viral's cuffs without hitting him once)
Energy Manipulation, Reactive Evolution, Technology Manipulation, Genius Intelligence
Resistances:
Electricity Manipulation (Resisted the electrical attack of the Kuu-Mugann)
Absorption (Can indefinitely increase his spiral energy with sheer willpower)
Lagann: Same as before, Natural Weaponry, Regeneration (Low), Forcefield Creation, Enhanced Senses, Flight, Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1. Should be capable of fighting in space like other Team Dai-Gurren gunmen)
Fusionism

Post-Multiverse Labyrinth:
Base:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Acrobatics, Vehicular Mastery, Empowerment, Supernatural Willpower, Weapon Mastery, Energy Manipulation, Reactive Evolution, Technology Manipulation, Genius Intelligence, Forcefield Creation, Invulnerability via Probability Manipulation, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, FTL, Weapon Creation, Reality Warping, Creation, Quantum Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Transmutation, Size Manipulation, Biological Manipulation (Capable of creating and changing his mecha with just thought), Probability Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, Teleportation, Dimensional Travel (Was able to travel to Anti-Spiral's stronghold), Durability Negation via Probability Manipulation, Incorporeality, Abstract Existence (Type 1), Regeneration (Low-Godly), Immortality (Type 3), Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Acausality (Type 2), Non-Physical Interaction, Absorption (Absorbed the Multiverse Labyrinth. Absorbed the drill which Lordgenome created after converting the Infinity Big Bang Storm), Power Bestowal (Gave the members of Team Dai-Gurren the power to resist the Multiverse Labyrinth)
Resistances:
Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Absorption, Electricity Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Mind Manipulation
Tengen Toppa Lagann: Same as before, Natural Weaponry, Flight, Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1), Fusionism, Shapeshifting, Body Control, Portal Creation (Scales to TTGL, which created a space-time fold just from its battle with Granzeboma), Large Size (Type 7), Higher-Dimensional Existence

Post-Apotheosis:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Acrobatics, Vehicular Mastery, Empowerment, Supernatural Willpower, Weapon Mastery, Energy Manipulation, Reactive Evolution, Technology Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, Invulnerability via Probability Manipulation, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Flight, Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1), FTL, Natural Weaponry, Weapon Creation, Transmutation, Blood Manipulation, Fusionism (Created a drill from his blood, which was fused to his arm and was fully functional)
Reality Warping, Creation, Quantum Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, Teleportation, Dimensional Travel, Portal Creation, Durability Negation via Probability Manipulation, Incorporeality, Abstract Existence (Type 1), Regeneration (Low-Godly), Immortality (Type 3), Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Acausality (Type 2), Non-Physical Interaction, Absorption, Power Mimicry, Resurrection (Implied to be able to resurrect the dead), Regeneration Negation (Low Godly. Prevented the Anti-Spiral from regenerating), Genius Intelligence, likely Nigh-Omniscience (Surpassed The Anti-Spiral via his own evolution)
Resistances:
Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Absorption, Electricity Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Mind Manipulation

Stats:
Attack Potency: Unknown; At most City level in Lagann (Damaged Viral's gunman; Enki) | Unknown; At least Multi-Continent level via Core Drill (Blew a hole in Lordgenome's chest), higher in Lagann (Fought on par with Lordgenome who is superior to Lazengann. Superior to Gurren Lagann) | Wall level (Fought on par with Viral who kicked a beastman through a wall in prison), higher via Pistol, At least Multi-Continent level via Core Drill, higher in Lagann | High Complex Multiverse level (Integrated within himself the Multiverse Labyrinth; an 11-Dimensional Brane Multiverse which creates universes instant to instant it is perceived), higher in Tengen Toppa Lagann (Controls a Tengen Toppa Gunmen, which used to be a part of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann; a mecha which was manifested by emotions with power greater than time and space, which moreover was powered and created by the multiverse; an 11-Dimensional Brane Multiverse which creates universes instant to instant it is perceived. TTGL; a mecha stated to have created the Super Spiral Universe within itself, was created from the Multiverse Labyrinth Simon had integrated within himself. Created a drill that countered the Granzeboma's drill) | High Complex Multiverse level (Fought on par with, and eventually killed the Anti-Spiral. Superior to all mecha, including Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)

Speed: Superhuman (Ran along side Kamina on multiple occasions; being able to keep up with him), with Subsonic+ Reactions (Could react to Kamina's punch); Likely High Hypersonic in Lagann (Likely comparable in speed to Gurren Lagann) | Superhuman, with Subsonic+ Reactions; At least Massively Hypersonic in Lagann (Could keep up in a fight with Lordgenome. Superior to Gurren Lagann) | Superhuman, with Subsonic+ Combat Speed/Reactions (Kept pace in a fight with Viral in prison), Subsonic+ Attack Speed via Pistol, At least Massively Hypersonic+ in Lagann (Comparable in speed to Gurren Lagann) | Massively FTL+ (Traveled to the Anti-Spiral's stronghold in a short period of time), higher in Tengen Toppa Lagann (Created a drill fast enough to counter Granzeboma's drill) | At least Massively FTL+ (Kept pace with The Anti-Spiral hand-to-hand)

Lifting Strength: Unknown; At least Class 10 in Lagann (Capable of forcing the cockpit of a gunman open; a feat Viral could execute as well) | Unknown; At least Class 10 in Lagann | Likely Class 10 (Likely comparable to Viral), higher in Lagann | Likely Class 10; Immeasurable in Tengen Toppa Lagann via sheer existence | Unknown, likely Class 10, possibly Immeasurable

Striking Strength:
Unknown; At most City Class in Lagann | Unknown; At least Multi-Continent Class via Core Drill, higher in Lagann | Wall Class, higher via Pistol, At least Multi-Continent Class via Core Drill, higher in Lagann | High Complex Multiversal, higher in Tengen Toppa Lagann | High Complex Multiversal

Durability: Wall level
(Could take a full-force punch from Kamina); At most City level in Lagann (Took a kick from Viral's gunman; Enki) | Wall level, likely Multi-Continent level (Took direct punches from Lordgenome, but whether this is an outlier or because of spiral power is unknown); At least Multi-Continent level in Lagann (Took attacks from Lordgenome who is superior to Lazengann) | Wall level; At least Multi-Continent level in Lagann | High Complex Multiverse level (Integrated the Multiverse Labyrinth within himself), higher in Tengen Toppa Lagann (Was able to withstand the force of the Infinity Big Bang Storm; an attack that was compared to the Big Bang, and was at a greater level of The Anti-Spiral's capability than any of its previous attacks) | High Complex Multiverse level (Took blows from The Anti-Spiral in a fist fight, and survived the destruction of the Super Spiral Universe. Superior to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)

Stamina: Very High (Has enough energy to dig through holes day after day, and is somewhat capable of fighting on an empty stomach) | Very High (Continued to fight Lordgenome, even when heavily injured) | Extremely High (Overcame the draining of spiral energy from the Death Spiral Machine via increasing his power, the entire time in the ultra-dense space. Has absorbed the matter of the ultra-dense space, which was being converted into Spiral Energy), likely Limitless (Stated that his power is limitless as long as he doesn't give in) | Limitless (Absorbed the Multiverse Labyrinth, which gave Simon enough Spiral Power to create Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Absorbed the drill Lordgenome created from the conversion of the Infinity Big Bang Storm, which significantly increased Simon's Spiral Power) | Limitless

Range: Standard Melee Range, higher in Lagann, Extended Melee Range via Natural Weaponry | Standard Melee Range, higher in Lagann, Extended Melee Range via Natural Weaponry | Standard Melee Range, Hundreds of Meters via Pistol, Standard Melee Range in Lagann, Extended Melee Range via Natural Weaponry | High Complex Multiversal | High Complex Multiversal

Standard Equipment: Core Drill

Optional Equipment: Gurren Lagann | Gurren Lagann | Pistol, Gurren Lagann, Arc-Gurren Lagann, Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann | Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann | None

Intelligence: Genius in Creating Plans (Can come up with strategies in the heat of battle. Made a plan to sneak up on Viral, and managed to damage his gunman; a plan created and executed before Viral could fire Enki's laser. Thought of how to make Dai-Gunzan fall in a hole, just from looking at the ground once. Came up with a plan to get past the Mugann, and sneak attack the upper-class Mugann), Gifted in Leadership Skills and Piloting (Stated by Kittan to have become a first-rate commander, and has only been so for a short period of time), Above Average in Combat (Was skilled enough to fight hand-to-hand with Viral; a trained soldier), Average Otherwise | Genius, likely Nigh-Omniscient (Surpassed the Anti-Spiral via his own evolution)

Weaknesses: Gets scared, which causes him to be unable to fight and think straight (this weakness present through episodes 1-3). Can let anger get in the way of thinking and using spiral power (this weakness is present through episodes 9 and 10). He cannot utilize spiral power without the will to live. Is concerned about others well being | Same as before | Same as before. His hot-blooded nature can make him careless, and rush in to battle | Same as before, except his hot-blooded nature making him careless, and rushing into battle | Same as before. Greatly opposes resurrecting the dead

Notable Attacks/Techniques:
  • Lagann Impact: Lagann impacts the opponent with its drill either from its forehead, or its feet
  • Gunman Integration: Can combine with any gunman; using its drill to assimilate from on top of their heads
Key: Episodes 1-14/Gurren-hen | Episode 15 | Episodes 17-26/Lagann-hen | Post-Multiverse Labyrinth | Post-Apotheosis

Regarding Profile Separation and Merging:

Simon and Lagann:
Lagann should have never became its own profile, and should have stuck with Simon. There is literally no reason, as to why Lagann should be its own thing. The only thing Lagann has going for itself is being a vehicle, but I don't see that reason being applied to the gunmen of other characters. Delete the Lagann profile, and make it Simon's thing. Lagann is a one seater gunman, just like all the other gunmen that are apart of their pilot's profile

Gurren Lagann: The statistics of the other Gurren Lagann should not be apart of Simon's statistics, because it looks really damn messy. If we wanted to keep going with this kind of organization, all characters that have piloted Gurren Lagann should have its stats on their page, which would be an even bigger mess. So yeah, keep any Gurren Lagann stuff off of Simon's profile. All the GL are instead optional equipment, seeing as how it can be piloted by multiple people or just one person (that one person always being Simon). So Gurren Lagann's stats will be removed from Simon and will be labeled as optional equipment for him. As for Kamina, GL will not be optional equipment, because he has never been shown piloting it on his own, he always co-pilots with Simon
 
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This is good. Also goddamn I need to finish that Gurren Lagann merging sandbox. It's pretty decent so far, but I need to fix them damn links and references
 
This is good. Also goddamn I need to finish that Gurren Lagann merging sandbox. It's pretty decent so far, but I need to fix them damn links and references
Just saying, a good reason as to why all Gurren Lagann should be merged is because Gurren Lagann pilots all the other GLs
 
Sorry friends! I'm not interested in helping out with this thread.
 
This seems fine though the weakness I think just say: Same as before due to the spiral powers weakness being present throughout all the keys
 
I'm in the same boat as RedGrave that most of these are good save weakness might need better wording.
 
Invulnerability via Forcefield Creation (Can create a spiral power forcefield)
  • I think this point should just be Forcefield Creation (Can create a spiral power forcefield) if there is no elaboration for Invulnerability.
On the other matters, I share the same opinions with Medeus and Redgrave, also.
 
Invulnerability via Forcefield Creation (Can create a spiral power forcefield)
  • I think this point should just be Forcefield Creation (Can create a spiral power forcefield) if there is no elaboration for Invulnerability.
On the other matters, I share the same opinions with Medeus and Redgrave, also.
There is no elaboration for Invulnerability, so I think Invulnerability via Forcefield Creation should stay. Also, has the thing regarding profile merging and separation been accepted?
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention we have updated policies or at least were going to do it and that it's something that requires very specific lore depth. Invulnerability is basically Attack Potency nullification via hax in that the character is immune to conventional attacks regardless of tier unless they either negate durability or have the ability to bypass said character's invulnerability. And as such, simply characters are portrayed as indestructible against those around them, invincibility power ups in video games, or simply characters who have never been injured should all just be treated as nothing beyond them just have very high durability. Invulnerability is something exclusive to characters like Achilles from Nasuverse among other similar characters.

So I agree with Elizhaa here.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention we have updated policies or at least were going to do it and that it's something that requires very specific lore depth. Invulnerability is basically Attack Potency nullification via hax in that the character is immune to conventional attacks regardless of tier unless they either negate durability or have the ability to bypass said character's invulnerability. And as such, simply characters are portrayed as indestructible against those around them, invincibility power ups in video games, or simply characters who have never been injured should all just be treated as nothing beyond them just have very high durability. Invulnerability is something exclusive to characters like Achilles from Nasuverse among other similar characters.

So I agree with Elizhaa here.
So is the invulnerability ability a no?
 
In the movie Lagann had surpassed STTGL too, so I don't think it needs to be changed
Well, STTGL isn't necessarily the strongest mecha, Post-Big Bang TTGL from the series has comparable power output to the STTGL due in fact both are fueled by the same thing, the IBBS, but yeah that works too but I'd prefer to have it as "(Killed the Anti-Spiral. Superior to all mecha, including Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)"
 
Well, STTGL doesn't necessarily is the strongest mecha, Post-Big Bang TTGL from the series has comparable power output to the STTGL due in fact both are fueled by the same thing, the IBBS, but yeah that works too but I'd prefer to have it as "(Killed the Anti-Spiral. Superior to all mecha, including Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)"
That makes more sense actually
 
This seems to have been accepted then.

Which profile page do you need us to unlock?
 
The weakness in regards to their Gunmen should include "Due to the mutually expanded awareness through the joint-development man-machine interface from piloting a gunmen he/she would be able to feel its damage"
 
The weakness in regards to their Gunmen should include "Due to the mutually expanded awareness through the joint-development man-machine interface from piloting a gunmen he/she would be able to feel its damage"
I don't think that needs to be included. Look at it this way, if the gunman gets completely destroyed, the pilot would die. Fighting a gunman would be like fighting any ordinary character, and every other character gets hurt if they get hit (by someone as powerful as them of course). So I wouldn't consider it a weakness, Lagann and Simon both feel damage, just like any other fighter out there
 
So should I redirect the following page to ""Simon the Digger"?

 
So should I redirect the following page to ""Simon the Digger"?

No, everything has already been taken care of
 
So should I redirect the following page to ""Simon the Digger"?

Naw, we gonna merge all GLs into one profile, it's already in the work.
 
Okay. I already redirected the "Lagann" page to "Simon the Digger" though. Should that be changed?
 
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