One Punch Man: The Return of the "At least 5-B" (Probably)

[DMUA]

Okay so, I saw this brought up awhile back on another thread, and, I don't remember why we turned it down, if it was turned down and nothing I say really changes that, I apologise, but...

In an Audio Drama, Genos gets a simulation thingamababer, tries it out with Saitama, and the results it got was "Saitama oneshots himself from yesterday"

Translation for reference. If it's wrong, well, heck me.

Now, I can see some arguments on this being iffy. Scanning Tech like Child Emperor's have proven to be unable to pin down Saitama's power. And, the simulator itself also couldn't simulate Metal Bat's fighting spirit.

But, you must also note Saitama's response to him one-shoting himself from yesterday.

"Saitama: why would I ever lose to myself from yesterday?

Saitama: It's just unreliable simulated data right?

Saitama: It doesn't matter how strong you become in the virtual world, it will never change who you are in real life. I learned this lesson the hard way as a kid, when I was so obsessed with leveling up in an RPG I missed my entire summer holiday. Now enough virtual reality, go fix the wall!"

If the simulation simply wasn't able to pick up on Saitama's immense power, they probably would have both been rated as "ERROR" and one wouldn't have oneshoted the other. Not to mention, Saitama doesn't just go "meh it's busted", he acknowledges his rate of improvement, and the fact that he shouldn't be losing to himself from yesterday. Side note: Such a rapid increase could probably be considered Accelerated Development.

Now, as per my opinion on all this... We should probably leave it as a maybe. His AP and all his other related stats should be "At least, Possibly Far Higher" with this being noted as why it could be way higher, but, only possibly, because, while Saitama isn't partically surprised at one-shoting himself, he also kinda mentions that his virtual stronkness doesn't mean squat in real life. So, again, it's just a "could be" instead of anything concrete.

Crossing my fingers that this doesn't go horribly wrong.

 

[DMUA]

No one in an entire day has responded to this and I'm nervous, so, have a ZA BUMPO

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Iirc, this was debunked by the man the myth the legend himself, Ryukama.

 

[DMUA]

I don't remember why we turned it down, if it was turned down and nothing I say really changes that, I apologies, but...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That means ask Ryu >_>

 

[Qawsedf234]

Saitama does say this

Genos: Sensei is far more powerful today than he was yesterday…is that even possible?

Saitama: It's just unreliable simulated data right?

Saitama: It doesn't matter how strong you become in the virtual world, it will never change who you are in real life. I learned this lesson the hard way as a kid, when I was so obsessed with leveling up in an RPG I missed my entire summer holiday. Now enough virtual reality, go fix the wall!

Plus the VGS broke attempting to replicate Saitama's casual power, let alone his maximum strength.

 

[DMUA]

Plus the VGS broke attempting to replicate Saitama's casual power, let alone his maximum strength.

Pretty sure that was before Genos fixed it, and of course, I kinda already address that.

If the simulation simply wasn't able to pick up on Saitama's immense power, they probably would have both been rated as "ERROR" and one wouldn't have oneshoted the other. Not to mention, Saitama doesn't just go "meh it's busted", he acknowledges his rate of improvement, and the fact that he shouldn't be losing to himself from yesterday. Side note: Such a rapid increase could probably be considered Accelerated Development.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Saitama called the data unreliable and we know that his strength heavily varies from punch to punch. There are time where a casual punch can't kill a High 7-C but give a High 6-A extremly organ damage. The most you could scale Saitama from using the VR is that he can one shot something capable of one shotting Superallot, which doesn't support a 5-B rating

 

[DMUA]

He doesn't mention that at all though, he goes on to talk about self improvement and mentions how he shouldn't be losing to himself from yesterday.

 

[Qawsedf234]

There's no real evidence that the VGS could replicate his full power. All Saitama fought was some random monsters and a ghost of Genos, neither really scream 5-B. Then it one shot Darkshine, which also wouldn't be 5-B. I just see nothing about the VGS that implied it could handle Saitama's full strength.

 

[DMUA]

Except, again, he fought a Ghost of himself from yesterday, and it could distinguish the gap between their strength.

Again, if it couldn't handle it, both would have been rated as "ERROR" and one wouldn't have oneshoted the other.

 

[Qawsedf234]

> Again, if it couldn't handle it, both would have been rated as "ERROR" and one wouldn't have oneshoted the other.

Handle was a bad word on my part. I meant it couldn't properly replicate or gague his strength. He one shot everything according to Genos and the strongest monster in the VR was Carnage Kabuto. Being able to one shot CK and Darkshine isn't a 5-B feat. Ghost Saitama could be 7-A and do it, then be one shot by the real one.

 

[DMUA]

But if it couldn't handle his power, then real Saitama would have been treated as a 7-A as well.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I said handle was a bad word on my part. The system, at least after Genos fixed it, could handle the Ghost's strength. But nothing implies that the ghost is notably strong in comparison to Saitama himself. One shotting CK and Darkshine doesn't warrant a at least 5B rating imo.

 

[DMUA]

But, back to square one, if it could only handle up to 7-A, it wouldn't have had one one-shoting the other. Both would have just been "ERROR"

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not saying (anymore) that it could only handle up the 7-A. Just that the ghost could be 7-A and still have one shot everyone. Saitama casually defeated all the monsters and Genos's ghost. Being able to one shot CK/Superalloy is vastly below 5-B.

 

[Ryukama]

This virtual simulator couldn't even depict Metal Bat's fighting spirit, so logically it likely wouldn't have the capacity for Saitama's limiter removed power. And Saitama himself claims the virtual simulator and its result is inaccurate to real life after he did this.

 

[DMUA]

If the simulation simply wasn't able to pick up on Saitama's immense power, they probably would have both been rated as "ERROR" and one wouldn't have oneshoted the other. Not to mention, Saitama doesn't just go "meh it's busted", he acknowledges his rate of improvement, and the fact that he shouldn't be losing to himself from yesterday.

 

[Ryukama]

The screen not showing an "ERROR" sign doesn't somehow change that

• Saitama himself called this simulation and the result inaccurate to real life.

• The VGS has already shown that it can't simulate fighting spirit and broke when Saitama fought Darkshine. So how would it be able to simulate something like the full extent of Saitama's power?

To take this whole "one shotting his ghost" thing at face value you'd have to assume that Kuseno somehow knows Saitama's own power more than he does, and that the VGS can somehow simulate something far more powerful and complex than other things it failed to register.

 

[DMUA]

An abstract concept such as fighting spirit is a lot less quantifiable then someone being the hecking stronk

Also, the main deal here is that Saitama knows his power. He isn't just commenting "meh it's busted" it's "why would I lose to myself yesterday?", Along with how the data is unrelable.

 

[Ryukama]

The power to remove one's limiter is far more abstract than fighting spirit. Also if you want to grossly simplify things then all fighting spirit is just getting "hecking stronker" through willpower. And again the VGS couldn't even properly handle Saitama fighting Darkshine. Yet somehow it just can fully register the complete and utter full extent of Saitama's power now?

Saitama asking "why would I lose to myself yesterday?" isn't somehow now proof that Saitama's strength exponentially grows each day to the point where a casual punch from today now greatly exceeds a Serious Punch from yesterday.

 

[DMUA]

Does it really need to understand how Saitama got strong? It could just read the power he holds outright, which would be a lot easier.

I mean, it was able to read a clear difference between the 2 Saitamas after Genos fixed the machine. If it couldn't handle it, it would have just seen two immeasurable forces clashing and it wouldn't have been able to get anything out of it.

No, but it is support to the notion.

 

[Ryukama]

If it can't "read" the data of Saitama fighting Darkshine or "read" Metal Bat's fighting spirit, it wouldn't be able to read Saitama's full power. Especially when in universe Saitama's power and the idea of removing one's limiter is generally something that science can't comprehend.

And again Saitama himself says the data is inaccurate to him. Kuseno doesn't know Saitama's power more than he does. And the VGS isn't some infallible source. I trust Saitama's word on his own power over the VGS. Especially when there's no real reason for the VGS to be able to properly measure Saitama's full power. It couldn't even properly measure Saitama's super casual power shortly before.

No it doesn't. That's an extreme stretch. It could simply be Saitama claiming he wouldn't have gotten weaker since yesterday. Not that Saitama's strength exponentially grows each day to the point where a casual punch from today now greatly exceeds a Serious Punch from yesterday.

 

[DMUA]

Actually

Yeah, this is probably too much of a stretch