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One-Punch Man: Cosmic Fear Garou Upgrade

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Quick CRT so lets get it over with.

It took Garou at least 35 hits to overwhelm and burst Blast's spacial manipulation that backscales from Serious Punch².

Garou pre-SSSP would be 35x weaker than that value (1.11 ZettaFoe), therefore w/o "Mode: Saitama," he would be 31.7142857 ExaFoe, which is Multi Solar System level.

His Attack Potency section would look like this:

At least Large Planet level, Multi-Solar System level (Stated that Blast wasn't worth his time [4], and could even overwhelm his Hyperspace Gates[4] after multiple hits. His attack was compared to a real Gamma Ray Burst[1] which produces at least 1 foe or 10^44 joules of energy.), far higher with Power Mimicry (Copied and evenly matched Saitama's Serious Punch, generating an explosion that annihilated millions of stars[3]), even higher with Reactive Evolution (Grew exponentially in power while mimicking Saitama[2])
 
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Garou overwhelmed Blast's portal, I don't think that's equivalent to the spatial manipulation that Blast does to help with diverting the SSPS.
 
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Also, the two styles of gates do not function similarly. The bigger white floor gate seems to transfer things instantly but the black gates function more like a door or classic portals where you would have to fall into it in order to be transported
 
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There's no proof that what you said amps Blast.
I didn't say it amps Blast. Just that Blast noticeably put in more effort to make the white big portal than he did when making the black portals and based on the differences between how the black and white portals function, I don't think it's necessarily true they both have the same threshold for the amount of energy they can withstand.
 
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Quick CRT so lets get it over with.

It took Garou at least 35 hits to overwhelm and burst Blast's spacial manipulation that backscales from Serious Punch².

Garou pre-SSSP would be 35x weaker than that value (1.11 ZettaFoe), therefore w/o "Mode: Saitama," he would be 31.7142857 ExaFoe, which is Multi Solar System level.

His Attack Potency section would look like this:

At least Large Planet level, Multi-Solar System level (Stated that Blast wasn't worth his time [4], and could even overwhelm his Hyperspace Gates[4] after multiple hits. His attack was compared to a real Gamma Ray Burst[1] which produces at least 1 foe or 10^44 joules of energy.), far higher with Power Mimicry (Copied and evenly matched Saitama's Serious Punch, generating an explosion that annihilated millions of stars[3]), even higher with Reactive Evolution (Grew exponentially in power while mimicking Saitama[2])
I disagree but also agree, let me explain
There's no reason to assume that the strain it put on the portals stacked up over time, since these are all separate punches that are just afterimages for showing his speed
rather, the reason the 35th punch would be overwhelming is due to his AD which made each punch stronger than the last. In other words it's more likely that he just massively downscales from the serious punch ^ 2 to begin with
this is also made more realistic by the fact that garou was already somewhat relative to saitama in speed, as he outmatched casual saitama, and was then able to react to saitama suddenly unleashing a bloodlusted serious punch at him. Given this relative speed (which I will make a crt for as well probably) it's not unrealstic to say that he would be strong enough to downscale from full power saitama from this standpoint either
although it would downscale from a downscale, since blast was still able to manage Garou, while he could only stop the sp^2 in its tracks without teleporting it until backup came
scaling chain looks like SP^2>Hyperspace>=Garou
 

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Just because two things both overwhelm Blast's gates, doesn't mean those two things have to be comparable to each other.
This is very much true.

What are people actually expecting anyway, any attack over the gate's limit would destroy it. Serious Punch^2 overwhelmed his gate instantly, what if his gate was overwhelmed instantly by a 3-A attack, would we be saying that 4-A attack is now 3-A?

If a Tier 5 attack goes through a wall/barrier like, it doesn't mean that anyone who breaks that wall is now Tier 5. The wall or in this case gate, has not shown the ability to withstand 4-A level of power. It was overwhelmed instantly.

We also have no real idea how Blast's gates even work. We have no idea if Blast and the others redirecting the energy has anything to do with his gate or portals either.
 
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This is very much true.

What are people actually expecting anyway, any attack over the gate's limit would destroy it. Serious Punch^2 overwhelmed his gate instantly, what if his gate was overwhelmed instantly by a 3-A attack, would we be saying that 4-A attack is now 3-A?

If a Tier 5 attack goes through a wall/barrier like, it doesn't mean that anyone who breaks that wall is now Tier 5. The wall or in this case gate, has not shown the ability to withstand 4-A level of power. It was overwhelmed instantly.

We also have no real idea how Blast's gates even work. We have no idea if Blast and the others redirecting the energy has anything to do with his gate or portals either.
actually the portal withstood the serious punch ^2 for a few moments, he was able to hold it in place until help arrived
so it simply downscales
 
actually the portal withstood the serious punch ^2 for a few moments, he was able to hold it in place until help arrived
so it simply downscales
He outright stated that the gate can’t handle this much energy so it won’t necessarily scale to all of the energy. Blast is the one who stated it.
 
it's called downscaling
he was still able to restrain the full force of it extremely high diff, so he downscales from it
And proceeds to mention he needs to alter the vector of the destructive energy from the Earth aka he redirecting the energy with the help of other heros so he won’t even been scaled to it anyway.
 

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I don't see anything that says he's using the gate to hold the power in place.

He stated the gate can handle this energy and we see the gate is gone.
 

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It was from the attack by Saitama prior to these scans I saw you. The preceding scans tell us that tbf
Where does it say he's preventing the attack from expanding with the gate?

The gate was instantly overwhelmed by the attack, that is why they're above the earth. He wasn't able to bring it farther before the gate burst from the overload of energy. Which happen the instant their fist met.
 
Where does it say he's preventing the attack from expanding with the gate?

The gate was instantly overwhelmed by the attack, that is why they're above the earth. He wasn't able to bring it farther before the gate burst from the overload of energy. Which happen the instant their fist met.
He prevented the attack from destroying the Earth via redirecting the attack from Earth. I didn’t say anything about the attack expanding with the gate anyway.
 
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I don't see anything that says he's using the gate to hold the power in place.

He stated the gate can handle this energy and we see the gate is gone.
he quite literally implies that he can redirect it away from earth. if the portals were less than 4-A then he wouldn't be able to even interact with it for a nanosecond without the gate being melted like butter completely instantaneously
 

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What visuals, where is this portal? Why are we assuming his ability to redirect the attack has anything to do with his portal or gate thing?

Garou's attacks made his gate burst, yet the serious punch^2 didn't make it burst? Is that really what you're saying?
 
he quite literally implies that he can redirect it away from earth. if the portals were less than 4-A then he wouldn't be able to even interact with it for a nanosecond without the gate being melted like butter completely instantaneously
Tbf, it didn’t involve a gate it seems as he was doing the redirection of the energy with the other heroes involved so it was with help feat.
 

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Downscaling doesn't even seem necessary here; especially when it's just for the sake of justifying an upgrade that wouldn't be possible otherwise.
 
What visuals, where is this portal? Why are we assuming his ability to redirect the attack has anything to do with his portal or gate thing?

Garou's attacks made his gate burst, yet the serious punch^2 didn't make it burst? Is that really what you're saying?
What??? It is the scan I show you. We can see the gate holding the energy in the same panel. It is not that hard to notice.
 

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Are we really saying the sphere we see is the gate? And not the energy from Saitama and Garou's attack? Even though Garou's multi hit attack made the gate burst and explode, which sent Garou and Blast flying back. Similar to how the Serious Punch^2 made a burst/explosion and send Blast flying back?

I was literally told multiple times that wasn't the case.
 
Are we really saying the sphere we see is the gate? And not the energy from Saitama and Garou's attack? Even though Garou's multi hit attack made the gate burst and explode, which sent Garou and Blast flying back. Similar to how the Serious Punch^2 made a burst/explosion and send Blast flying back?

I was literally told multiple times that wasn't the case.
Okay, now I am confused. Who tell you that and why?
 

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Pretty sure Blast is still holding the energy back. That's why he's 4-A with spatial manipulation. Cause he was holding it back before the others arrived.

That's what the sandbox says anyway.
Here. I was told it was only the energy redirection that was 4-A, Blast wasn't containing it.
 
Here. I was told it was only the energy redirection that was 4-A, Blast wasn't containing it.
Ah, but the odd things is the visual and narration mentioned that the gate can not handle this energy aka it can not contain that much energy.

Hence why he was forced to redirected the energy with help of the other heroes.
 
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Are we really saying the sphere we see is the gate? And not the energy from Saitama and Garou's attack? Even though Garou's multi hit attack made the gate burst and explode, which sent Garou and Blast flying back. Similar to how the Serious Punch^2 made a burst/explosion and send Blast flying back?

I was literally told multiple times that wasn't the case.
my brother in christ
the very fact that the scan shows it lasted long enough for him to teleport it into outer space is more than enough evidence that he downscales directly from it
he successfully teleported it, just not far enough due to the power. Like if someone with stellar lifting strength had to strain themselves slighty while arm wrestling someone with unknown LS but still won, would you still be comfortable saying the unknown LS person was below average human or something?
 
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the very fact that the scan shows it lasted long enough for him to teleport it into outer space is more than enough evidence that he downscales directly from it
he successfully teleported it, just not far enough due to the power. Like if someone with stellar lifting strength had to strain themselves slighty while arm wrestling someone with unknown LS but still won, would you still be comfortable saying the unknown LS person was below average human or something?
It was not teleported. It was physically redirected to outer space. Also the portal scene was before the serious punch squared.
 

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We never see the gate appear as anything but as a flat portal. Feels weird to say that isn't the serious punch^2 energy, but the visual effect of the gate?

I'm confused. Garou's attack destroyed the gates. Blast stated, "The gates are bursting from the overload of energy." And when the gates burst we see Blast and Garou get sent flying back. When Blast tries to teleport the Serious Punch^2 with the gate, he ends up getting knocked back in the same way while in space.

I assumed the gate was meant to teleport the attack far away, but the punch instantly overloaded the gate and it burst, which is why they're still so close to Earth. He can't send it any farther, he can't give it anymore distance. I was unaware that gate can also hold power inside of it.

He never says he's containing the energy either. He just said the gate can't handle this much energy. And I don't see how this means he's holding the power back. Why can't this statement mean the gate just overloaded and burst?

I feel like we know way too little about how Blast's power work to be making this kind of scaling. Are we even certain he's holding back the power, and even if he was how do we know it's using the same type of portal he used against Garou. He didn't do anything like that against Garou's attack.

He never contained Garou's energy, he just transported them to a different place. I'm completely lost here.
 

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I'd appreciate if staff members actually gave their opinions here.

And hopefully explain if this scaling is right or wrong.
 
I'm confused. Garou's attack destroyed the gates. Blast stated, "The gates are bursting from the overload of energy." And when the gates burst we see Blast and Garou get sent flying back. When Blast tries to teleport the Serious Punch^2 with the gate, he ends up getting knocked back in the same way while in space
That is assuming that handling ≠ containing tbh. It is not a unreasonable assumption to say the gates burst from the amount of energy it was receiving from Garou, but I have to look into the previous chapters to see what was shown there
 
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ok, this is insane right now
blast's portal was quite clearly stated to "not be able to get enough distance"
which directly contradicts the idea that he wasn't able to teleport it, he just can't teleport an attack that strong farther than the point in space where he did.
 
ok, this is insane right now
blast's portal was quite clearly stated to "not be able to get enough distance"
which directly contradicts the idea that he wasn't able to teleport it, he just can't teleport an attack that strong farther than the point in space where he did.
I don’t see how it contradicts the idea of him wasn’t able to teleport it when in the next few statements that he had alter the vector of the destructive energy away from Earth. That contradiction is null tbh
 
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I don’t see how it contradicts the idea of him wasn’t able to teleport it when in the next few statements that he had alter the vector of the destructive energy away from Earth. That contradiction is null tbh
he quite literally telelported it into space
it's right there, it's right on the page
dude
 
Also it is not even insane given how we literally see the attack getting redirected in the next few panels of Chapter 167.


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he quite literally telelported it into space
it's right there, it's right on the page
dude
You forgetting that I have the entire chapter read it which is Chapter 167.
 
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The official VIZ translation said sub space and not hyperspace but other sources said hyperspace. So which one is correct?
 
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