One Piece General Discussion: Egghead

[Eseseso]

It'd be funny if Apoo challenged Kizaru again, only to lose since he has no counter for Kizaru's logia (since his Haki has only been shown being used for defense so I doubt he can apply it to his sound attacks).

Also, if Apoo, Hawkins, Killer, and Kid (w/ Awakening, let's assume) fought Shanks in an alternate universe where Apoo was genuine about an alliance, would Shanks low-diff the 4 of them? Mid-Diff?

For reference:

Apoo: Scabbard level durability AP w/o Devil Fruit, Yonko level durability w/ DF

Kid: Yonko level all-around, you guys all know how he scales.

Killer: Scabbard lvl AP, Yonko-level durability

Hawkins: His Straw Man card and Straw Man transformation are scabbard level (as the former somewhat matched Base Zoro while the latter matched Killer)

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It'd be funny if Apoo challenged Kizaru again, only to lose since he has no counter for Kizaru's logia (since his Haki has only been shown being used for defense so I doubt he can apply it to his sound attacks).

Also, if Apoo, Hawkins, Killer, and Kid (w/ Awakening, let's assume) fought Shanks in an alternate universe where Apoo was genuine about an alliance, would Shanks low-diff the 4 of them? Mid-Diff?

For reference:

Apoo: Scabbard level durability AP w/o Devil Fruit, Yonko level durability w/ DF

Kid: Yonko level all-around, you guys all know how he scales.

Killer: Scabbard lvl AP, Yonko-level durability

Hawkins: His Straw Man card and Straw Man transformation are scabbard level (as the former somewhat matched Base Zoro while the latter matched Killer)

Uh, no. LOL. It might not be too easy but he'd win. Even without his team. The whole " Haki counters DF effects " thing means Shanks' outstanding Haki can allow him to just stop 3 of them for using basically 99% of their arsenal. Then it's just randoms with Haki and Killer vs Shanks and it's obvious who wins that.

 

[Eseseso]

Uh, no. LOL. It might not be too easy but he'd win. Even without his team. The whole " Haki counters DF effects " thing means Shanks' outstanding Haki can allow him to just stop 3 of them for using basically 99% of their arsenal. Then it's just randoms with Haki and Killer vs Shanks and it's obvious who wins that.

So what I asked was: would Shanks Low diff or mid diff?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

So what I asked was: would Shanks Low diff or mid diff?

low diff.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Really?

Thanks for the info, I just assumed since I never saw the color version and in black-and-white the blood near his tonfa looked like a part of it.

It actually is useful, since now I can remove a lot of unneeded wording from part of Wano Zoro's AP justification

Doesn't change that Serious Buso Zoro using Shishi Sonson temporarily one-shot an on-guard Apoo when a pissed Eustass Kid's Punk Gibson didn't do that much damage at all to an off-guard Apoo with his Punk Gibson.

And this is a valid comparison:

Enraged Eustass Kid: Uses Punk Gibson while enraged against a completely off-guard Apoo. Breaks one of Apoo's glasses and makes him bleed from the mouth a bit, but other than that Apoo is completely fine, and after talking some smack to Kidd, he has no trouble using his sound attacks to unleash hell before resuming the fight with no shown weakening from Kid's attack.

Serious Buso Zoro in a Tranquil Fury: Uses a Goken attack (which is Buso Haki) on an Apoo who is very much on his guard, which not only draws a sizable amount of blood from him (in the manga, at least) but also knocks him out for a bit. Also, when Apoo gets back up, he's wheezing somewhat due to the damage Zoro inflicted.

This is one of the reasons why I laugh when I see people on say Zoro isn't even in the same tier as Kid

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This is one of the reasons why I laugh when I see people on say Zoro isn't even in the same tier as Kid

 

[Eseseso]

Didn't he clap one of the Sweet Commanders though? The only character in One Piece who's allergic to an actually fair victory is Aramaki

Hey, tbf Aramaki's only appeared once, and before Yamato and Momo intervened, he was easily overpowering all of the Scabbards.

Not like his Multi-Continental key matters at all, though, because he's still gonna job to most of the people in the verse besides Smoker ( who is the 1st biggest jobber, Jack is in 2nd thanks to him ).

For real.

I mean, I recently made a vs thread between Jack and Drake, and while their bases are equal in basically all stats, Drake's Zoan and Hybrid forms would kind of dominate Jack's.

His AP in Zoan has multiple Scabbard level and above feats (Matched Apoo, who as mentioned matched a semi-serious Buso Zoro who was far more serious than when he deflected a Kaifu [which could cut off Kiku's arm], drew blood twice from Guernica [aka Blue Scarf] who has 2-3 feats of Yonko-level durability [and was complimented by Guernica], and injuring Apoo with his Zoan bite [albeit Apoo was injured from Zoro's Shishi Sonson]).

Jack's Zoan form got stomped by 2 Sulong Scabbards who could only do minor damage to casual Dragon Kaido and were manhandled by serious Base Kaido. Not nearly as impressive as Drake doing actually notable damage to someone with Yonko-level durability.

Meanwhile, Zoan Drake's durability is yonko-level due to him tanking Apoo's sound attacks (which are Yonko level due to doing more damage to Post-Udon Base Luffy than Big Mom did) during their offscreen fight (which is heavily supported by Drake later having wounds and bruises on his normal face that he didn't have before fighting Apoo). Sulong Inu and Neko using just a few hits left Zoan Jack near death's door.

Also, look at Jack's Zoan form and then look at Drake's. Drake's Zoan form lets him use that giant jaw of his, while his Hybrid lets him keep his Zoan strength while not being a big target and letting him use his swords so he can get the most out of his impressive power.

Jack's Full Zoan form, while scary at first, does not let him use his skills and power properly at all (since he loses the ability to use his swords in return for some useless tusks, not to mention he's always shown in the anime as being big and cumbersome while moving around in that form), and even though his Hybrid form lets him use his swords, it's also pretty cumbersome to move around and fight in. Not to mention, his Zoan and Hybrid forms are ******* huge targets. No human-sized form like Drake's Hybrid, it's either "massive mammoth" or "still massive half-mammoth". No wonder some fodder Zoan got a few good hits in on him during Roof Piece.

In short, Drake (and Apoo) would've both been way better All Stars than Jack the Joke, and Queen wasn't lying when he called him "Jack the Dragdown".

Dude couldn't even hurt Kaido at all (the closest he got was that Punk Vise that Kaido complemented).

Yet somehow matches Big Mom with 3-Homies (who's equal to Hybrid Kaido like 5 minutes later) in his base even before Awakening.

 

[KingTempest]

Hey, tbf Aramaki's only appeared once, and before Yamato and Momo intervened, he was easily overpowering all of the Scabbards.



For real.

I mean, I recently made a vs thread between Jack and Drake, and while their bases are equal in basically all stats, Drake's Zoan and Hybrid forms would kind of dominate Jack's.

His AP in Zoan has multiple Scabbard level and above feats (Matched Apoo, who as mentioned matched a semi-serious Buso Zoro who was far more serious than when he deflected a Kaifu [which could cut off Kiku's arm], drew blood twice from Guernica [aka Blue Scarf] who has 2-3 feats of Yonko-level durability [and was complimented by Guernica], and injuring Apoo with his Zoan bite [albeit Apoo was injured from Zoro's Shishi Sonson]).

Jack's Zoan form got stomped by 2 Sulong Scabbards who could only do minor damage to casual Dragon Kaido and were manhandled by serious Base Kaido. Not nearly as impressive as Drake doing actually notable damage to someone with Yonko-level durability.

Meanwhile, Zoan Drake's durability is yonko-level due to him tanking Apoo's sound attacks (which are Yonko level due to doing more damage to Post-Udon Base Luffy than Big Mom did) during their offscreen fight (which is heavily supported by Drake later having wounds and bruises on his normal face that he didn't have before fighting Apoo). Sulong Inu and Neko using just a few hits left Zoan Jack near death's door.

Also, look at Jack's Zoan form and then look at Drake's. Drake's Zoan form lets him use that giant jaw of his, while his Hybrid lets him keep his Zoan strength while not being a big target and letting him use his swords so he can get the most out of his impressive power.

Jack's Full Zoan form, while scary at first, does not let him use his skills and power properly at all (since he loses the ability to use his swords in return for some useless tusks, not to mention he's always shown in the anime as being big and cumbersome while moving around in that form), and even though his Hybrid form lets him use his swords, it's also pretty cumbersome to move around and fight in. Not to mention, his Zoan and Hybrid forms are ******* huge targets. No human-sized form like Drake's Hybrid, it's either "massive mammoth" or "still massive half-mammoth". No wonder some fodder Zoan got a few good hits in on him during Roof Piece.

In short, Drake (and Apoo) would've both been way better All Stars than Jack the Joke, and Queen wasn't lying when he called him "Jack the Dragdown".


Dude couldn't even hurt Kaido at all (the closest he got was that Punk Vise that Kaido complemented).

Yet somehow matches Big Mom with 3-Homies (who's equal to Hybrid Kaido like 5 minutes later) in his base even before Awakening.

This scaling is why I dropped this dumbass verse

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Hey, tbf Aramaki's only appeared once, and before Yamato and Momo intervened, he was easily overpowering all of the Scabbards.



For real.

I mean, I recently made a vs thread between Jack and Drake, and while their bases are equal in basically all stats, Drake's Zoan and Hybrid forms would kind of dominate Jack's.

His AP in Zoan has multiple Scabbard level and above feats (Matched Apoo, who as mentioned matched a semi-serious Buso Zoro who was far more serious than when he deflected a Kaifu [which could cut off Kiku's arm], drew blood twice from Guernica [aka Blue Scarf] who has 2-3 feats of Yonko-level durability [and was complimented by Guernica], and injuring Apoo with his Zoan bite [albeit Apoo was injured from Zoro's Shishi Sonson]).

Jack's Zoan form got stomped by 2 Sulong Scabbards who could only do minor damage to casual Dragon Kaido and were manhandled by serious Base Kaido. Not nearly as impressive as Drake doing actually notable damage to someone with Yonko-level durability.

Meanwhile, Zoan Drake's durability is yonko-level due to him tanking Apoo's sound attacks (which are Yonko level due to doing more damage to Post-Udon Base Luffy than Big Mom did) during their offscreen fight (which is heavily supported by Drake later having wounds and bruises on his normal face that he didn't have before fighting Apoo). Sulong Inu and Neko using just a few hits left Zoan Jack near death's door.

Also, look at Jack's Zoan form and then look at Drake's. Drake's Zoan form lets him use that giant jaw of his, while his Hybrid lets him keep his Zoan strength while not being a big target and letting him use his swords so he can get the most out of his impressive power.

Jack's Full Zoan form, while scary at first, does not let him use his skills and power properly at all (since he loses the ability to use his swords in return for some useless tusks, not to mention he's always shown in the anime as being big and cumbersome while moving around in that form), and even though his Hybrid form lets him use his swords, it's also pretty cumbersome to move around and fight in. Not to mention, his Zoan and Hybrid forms are ******* huge targets. No human-sized form like Drake's Hybrid, it's either "massive mammoth" or "still massive half-mammoth". No wonder some fodder Zoan got a few good hits in on him during Roof Piece.

In short, Drake (and Apoo) would've both been way better All Stars than Jack the Joke, and Queen wasn't lying when he called him "Jack the Dragdown".


Dude couldn't even hurt Kaido at all (the closest he got was that Punk Vise that Kaido complemented).

Yet somehow matches Big Mom with 3-Homies (who's equal to Hybrid Kaido like 5 minutes later) in his base even before Awakening.

At this point even Franky would beat Jack. It's so sad. In fact someone made a video on it:

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This scaling is why I dropped this dumbass verse

I can't believe One Piece's power scaling is so frustrating that it broke you like that
I feel bad for you, sort of reminds me of that guy who quit a forum because ZKK never came true, except this time it's a rational reason.

 

[Eseseso]

At this point even Franky would beat Jack.

Lol I wish.

I can't believe One Piece's power scaling is so frustrating that it broke you like that
I feel bad for you, sort of reminds me of that guy who quit a forum because ZKK never came true, except this time it's a rational reason.

Still can't believe thousands of plebians thought Zoro was actually going to be the one to kill Kaido.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Lol I wish.

His Radical Beam threatened a Lunarian kid's life to the point where Lilith started malding because of his attack. Now imagine that against Jack the Jobber.

Still can't believe thousands of plebians thought Zoro was actually going to be the one to kill Kaido.

"B-but Oda's hints!! He gave him Ryuma's sword, and Ryuma is the one who slayed a dragon! He'll inherit Ryuma's will! He killed a dragon in Punk Hazard!"

also, imagine if Zoro finds a Seraph Kaidou and they fight, wonder how the ZKK bros will react

 

[Eseseso]

His Radical Beam threatened a Lunarian kid's life to the point where Lilith started malding because of his attack. Now imagine that against Jack the Jobber.

Lunarian kid?

"B-but Oda's hints!! He gave him Ryuma's sword, and Ryuma is the one who slayed a dragon! He'll inherit Ryuma's will! He killed a dragon in Punk Hazard!"

also, imagine if Zoro finds a Seraph Kaidou and they fight, wonder how the ZKK bros will react

Kaido with King's broken as **** durability?

He'd be unstoppable.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

This scaling is why I dropped this dumbass verse

So this is why I came across you saying the One Piece verse should be deleted the other day

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Lunarian kid?

Serajinbe

Kaido with King's broken as **** durability?

He'd be unstoppable.

Fair point.

So this is why I came across you saying the One Piece verse should be deleted the other day

Honestly I feel like he's kind of overreacting about it but I'm not gonna say that to his face because he might erase my existence on this forum.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I personally think it's best to separate your passion for a series and your passion for discussing about said series.

 

[KingTempest]

I personally think it's best to separate your passion for a series and your passion for discussing about said series.

One Piece is one of my favorite verses on earth
And in a heartbeat I would delete it from this wiki if I could

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I personally think it's best to separate your passion for a series and your passion for discussing about said series.

ngl though the most toxic or unhinged part of the One Piece community is the site Worstgen:
It's not people throwing around slurs or anything but it's still kind of toxic and honestly a bit funny though. It's just, full of people who are blatantly only invested in the series to wank certain characters for no reason. They legitimately freak out when Oda drops actual lore and important stuff instead of chapters with just fighting.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

One Piece is one of my favorite verses on earth
And in a heartbeat I would delete it from this wiki if I could

A ton of series have annoying scaling
You're removing a small portion of trash from the ocean- There will still be a lot more to take care of, and removing that little portion didn't do a lot.
Just being real with you

 

[Eseseso]

A ton of series have annoying scaling

Dragon Ball, Marvel, and DC are IMO the 3 worst.

I mean Naruto and Bleach also seem bad but I have little knowledge or interest in either verse.

 

[KingTempest]

One Piece is the worst

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I respectfully disagree with that one. All due respect, but perhaps we shouldn't have made most of the characters multi-continental and made them all scale to each other for minimal reasons, that kind of ****** us up a bit.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

ngl though the most toxic or unhinged part of the One Piece community is the site Worstgen:
It's not people throwing around slurs or anything but it's still kind of toxic and honestly a bit funny though. It's just, full of people who are blatantly only invested in the series to wank certain characters for no reason. They legitimately freak out when Oda drops actual lore and important stuff instead of chapters with just fighting.

Fanverse and Reddit are pretty much the same, although admittedly the people on Fanverse can be pretty funny.

 

[Eseseso]

I respectfully disagree with that one. All due respect, but perhaps we shouldn't have made most of the characters multi-continental and made them all scale to each other for minimal reasons, that kind of ****** us up a bit.

I wouldn't say the reasons are minimal (except for Jack, cuz **** Jack), but the issue is IMO with most of the people scaling to people who themselves downscale.

Not to mention narrative issues that Oda decided to not care about, like Apoo being well above Jack.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Fanverse and Reddit are pretty much the same, although admittedly the people on Fanverse can be pretty funny.

Nah bro I don't think you understand how delusional these people are.. words may not describe it, so pictures might:

( A Sanji fan sent this in response to someone saying he didn't harm the Jinbe Seraph. Literally circled a minor bruise, an eye, and a bunch of fcking rocks in the air lol )

 

[DaMonkeMan]

btw which one would y'all pick?
I'm voting Team B or D because both have ACoC users who can seemingly neg Hancock's fruit and stop her from clapping everyone else. Also King is really durable, though Marco was able to toss him around a bit, so I don't know if he'd be extremely useful here.
As for Team D, Kuma can always just pull out the pain from his allies and throw it to his enemies, which is deadly if his ally got hit by someone like Yamato or Magellan.

 

[Eseseso]

JFC I'm so damn tired of Enel wankers.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

JFC I'm so damn tired of Enel wankers.

yeah I don't know how he even got into that list
atleast people like Lucci have Haki and Kidd's fruit is awakened
Meanwhile Enel would just be useless there

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

JFC I'm so damn tired of Enel wankers.

I'm tired of them and Sabo wankers (even though I like Sabo)

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I'm tired of them and Sabo wankers (even though I like Sabo)

Sabo is atleast powerful though. Also I swear he was island level before, what happened to that?

 

[WrongIdea21]

JFC I'm so damn tired of Enel wankers.

Enel is the most Overrated Character in One Piece.
Alot of fans Saying that Enel is Admiral level because they think that Raigo is Island Busting. The fact that he is physically weaker than Pre Gear Luffy. The main Idea of that Enel is admiral level because his destructive Capability with Raigo better than Zeus, one of Bigmom's Strongest weapons.

I'm tired of them and Sabo wankers (even though I like Sabo)

Sabo wank is not as worst as Enel wank.

 

[KochengPutih]

Deadliest assassins? Not sure about that. They haven't even succeeded with a single assignment. Capture Nico Robin, said the Five Elders.
What did they do? Got blown up by Apoo, pushed to mid/high diff by Drake, failed to get Luffy permanently killed and had one of their agents possibly die to Kaidou ( yes he survived to take Luffy's photo but he probably died shortly after that ).
Went to Dressrosa to apprehend the Revolutionaries, and failed.

They cannot due to allies plot armor from Oda

 

[Eseseso]

I'm tired of them and Sabo wankers (even though I like Sabo)

Sabo at least has both time to get feats and implications due to him fighting Issho (twice) as well as Aramaki IIRC.

Enel got spanked by Luffy cuz rubber boi.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Even Sabo's wank isn't even that bad, most I've seen was admiral level Sabo (which is something I do think he is).

Enel wank is just pure wack.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Sabo is atleast powerful though. Also I swear he was island level before, what happened to that?

While that's true, folks on Reddit really think he can beat an Admiral now because he successfully escaped the fight against Aramaki and Issho (who were holding back) at Mary Geoise with Kuma and also that he's Emperor Level because of his "Flame Emperor" epithet. They also put him ahead of Law, Kid, Zoro, and Yamato, despite all four having better feats than him while Sabo's best feat is questionably injuring a suppressed Issho. I say questionably because we don't know if he hurt Issho alone or if one of the Rev Commanders helped him.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Sabo at least has both time to get feats and implications due to him fighting Issho (twice) as well as Aramaki IIRC.

Enel got spanked by Luffy cuz rubber boi.

Yeah, it's nowhere near as annoying as Enel wank, but it's still getting pretty annoying though.

 

[KingTempest]

I respectfully disagree with that one. All due respect, but perhaps we shouldn't have made most of the characters multi-continental and made them all scale to each other for minimal reasons, that kind of ****** us up a bit.

You mfs made base Zoro and base Drake near the levels of Kaidou and Big Mom from upscaling from people who backscaled from them.

"****** us up a bit" lmfao

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Sabo wank is not as worst as Enel wank.

I agree, but I'm still already tired of it

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You mfs made base Zoro and base Drake near the levels of Kaidou and Big Mom from upscaling from people who backscaled from them.

"****** us up a bit" lmfao

 

[Eseseso]

To be fair, you agreed to the CRT so you're technically complicit