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One Piece Chapter 1002: "Yonkou VS. New Generation" (Official Release)
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You make a pretty good case for current Zoro > WCI G4 Luffy
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Honestly I hope thats wrong but its hard not to see that happening. Even tho these are supposed to be some of the most powerfuo and ruthless characters in the entire series everyone will come out mostly ok and recover.
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She said "them" not only Zoro, everyone there should scale above to WCI Luffy. Btw, Zoro is using Oden's sword, Kaido feels Oden's presence with his CoO is basically Oden attacking on his place so he should be at Oden's tier at my opinion (Obviously, only with Enma).
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Will we fully scale Zoro’s Enma to Odens? I think they should be the same tier but I dont know about a full scale.
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Enma just brings out the wielders own haki, we were told that. Zoro doesn't scale to Oden or vice versa just because they both wield the same sword
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the rest used other methods and ignored kaidos durability as he said (law and killer) u could argue kid
but big mom said that only after witnessing zoros attack (which is AP based not hacks like law and killer) and went as far as warning kaido to dodge when she didnt for the rest so imo only zoro scales above wci luffy and possibly kid
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What about the KE?
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Assuming the horn jumped that far in 1 second, the feat would be 7.1 Gigatons (Island level)
But PE is more accurate than KE here
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Alright then.
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Actually, why would PE be more accurate than KE in this scenario?
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Then why do we have so many KE calcs with assumed timeframes?
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Because not every movement calc involves the act of "Lifting something" which is when PE is more accurate than KE
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Because the horn was specifically lifted, if you want to argue for KE, you can
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Even then, there are still calcs where PE can be used but instead KE is used.
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Because One Piece can't be above tier 7, lol.
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I'm not very knowledgeable in this kind of stuff so if PE is accurate than it's accurate, too bad.
One Piece really will never go past Tier 7 kek.
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In the same way Luffy is using a dura negation power, so Zoro > Luffy? Even not hitting Kaido?
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Oden's's presence was literally being emanated from Enma, so much that Kaido notices this and Big Mom was frightened solely by the sword as well (She says that is no ordinary sword tho). It wouldn't make sense for Kaido to feel Oden on the sword if it was just taking Zoro's power and increasing it. Btw, I would say that yonko level zoro is wank but Kaido is trash as fuvck then whatever.
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Kaido literally stated he could sense Oden's visage in the Scabbards, him sensing the presence of Oden =\= Oden's power and is more likely due to what Kawamatsu mentioned in his flashback.
It was literally stated what Enma does, and it doesn't draw power from anywhere other than the wielder.
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considering op characters are 7A from casual feats
and zoros attack is supposed to be above WCI gear 4th luffy who was rated "at least High 7A"
6C seems consistent
and law i think already has durability negation on his profile with gamma knife dont see why the rest would scale
and yes you could argue zoros AP>luffy
considering luffy needed to find a way to attack kaido from the inside and ignore his durability (with ryou) but thats debatable
and zoros attack is supposed to be above WCI gear 4th luffy who was rated "at least High 7A"
6C seems consistent
dura neg doesnt scale to AP killer will just be given the ability via whatever his attack is called
and law i think already has durability negation on his profile with gamma knife dont see why the rest would scale
and yes you could argue zoros AP>luffy
considering luffy needed to find a way to attack kaido from the inside and ignore his durability (with ryou) but thats debatable
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If people want to use the KE of my feat, they can, but lord knows it will be argued against
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With the ridiculously high amount of feats/scaling we are revising now that are going to change the tiers completely (again), this feat, mainly the high-end, will be outliers probably. Iirc in the post-TS revision the last new stats we discussed were 44MTs, 88MTs and 420MTs, so the verse seems to be fated to stay tier 7, indeed.
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But without Enma Zoro seemingly couldnt hurt Kaido (At least not anymore than the Scabbards could) so you could likely only argue for when hes using Enma.
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He was using Enma in that moment (the purgatory onigiri) the issue was he wasn't using Armament hardening.
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Ah, but that just means we havn’t seen anything yet besides Enma that would give him Higher AP than Luffy.
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"B-but Enma" is a cop out. Enma is Zoro's sword, it is part of his power now. Zoro had to train to master Enma - which BTW can draw out too much power from it's wielder and kill them if not mastered. Just being able to freely use Enma means Zoro is relative to Oden. Of course not completely because Oden used Enma effortlessly and Zoro is yet to manage that
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A weapon having a different tier then it's wielder is a common thing and Zoro has to yet show those levels of power without the use of Enma, will he achieve those levels later on in the series? Likely but as of right now he can seemingly only achieve that level through the use of Enma.
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Zoro hasn't shown that level of power when he hasnt used Enma, is the potential there for him to do that? Yes and thats what Enma is drawing out but when he fights without Enma he isnt at that level.
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I personally do not see why the KE shouldn't be used either.
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I will be frank, i really don't see why the KE should be used in this case, even the High End is not that far-stretched.
The horn had be lifted in the very next panel and the result isn't so far above that it could be counted as an outlier, especially with Kaido's lifting the Onigashima.
The horn had be lifted in the very next panel and the result isn't so far above that it could be counted as an outlier, especially with Kaido's lifting the Onigashima.
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