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The first MHA CRT for the new forum, we have a lot to go over here people, and got a list of things that need to be agreed on for any changes to occur.
Upgrades due to the Heroes Rising Movie.
I should put this here, just in case. This is why the My Hero Movies are considered canon.
Easy one, Heroes Rising Bakugo and anyone who scales to him become High 8-C+ via this calc.
Base Izuku was noted to take hits from Nine, that could injure Bakugo, who has High 8-C+ dura. So let's discuss if this is an outlier or not.
Yakuza Arc 8% Izuku and Bakugo, should scale above baseline High 8-C, via being stronger than Unbreakable Kirishima's AP which is baseline. Mirio, Sir Nighteye, and Chisaki will scale above even them. Lover Mode Gentle scales to Yakuza Arc 8% Izuku.
Jiro's dura should scale to a weakened Ojiro's dura. Since she can take hits from a Weakened Nine, who could hurt an injured Ojiro, and survived the same attacks as he did. This also includes Shoji as well, since he took attacks from this Weakened Nine too.
It was mentioned that since Oijro preformed a 1.7 Ton 8-C+ feat while injured, he should upscale to baseline High 8-C. Iida would also become Baseline High 8-C without Recipro, since he was able to make a casual Chimera flinch, and force him to let go of Shoji who is 1.7 Ton 8-C+.
Now Sugar Rush Sato, who was able to break RoV Saga Bakugo's Grenadiers Bracers. For some reason he is given an 8-C+ rating which doesn't make sense, that Bakugo is High 8-C+ and his Bracers should've been scale up to handle those types of blast. Saying he's 8-C+ implies Bakugo's Gauntlets blast haven't gotten any stronger.
Sugar Rush Sato should become High 8-C+, via destroying Bakugo's Gauntlets. Also his Yakuza Arc self scale to 8% and Bakugo, as they were considered to be comparable to each other by Kirishima. Then we see Bakugo and Sato attacking Kirishima at the same time, which shows they're comparable.
Uraraka and Sero, should have their dura upgraded to High 8-C, via taking attacks from a normal Nine. However they were knocked unconscious, so they would downscale from this and will be just High 8-C, no plus sign. I'd personally put them at 4 tons, two times less than Nine's AP, but I'm not sure if we can do that.
Asui and Iida were also slammed into each other by Chimera, and both took similar amounts of damage. This means Asui's dura should scale to Iida's dura.
Some Speed upgrades.
First, it was mentioned to have 8% Izuku and anyone who scales be baseline Supersonic+ (Mach 2.5) via Bakugo stating 8% is way way faster than his 5%, which is Mach 1.9.
Does anyone agree or disagree with that?
In MHA Vigilantes, Chapter 87. Overclock faces off against a younger Kendo Rappa. It's mentioned that even though Rappa has wasted movements, he can't find an opening in his barrage even with Overclock. So Rappa's attack speed with Strongarm should be Hypersonic (Mach 5.75), via scaling to this calc.
Note: It was mentioned that Rappa's attack speed may have gotten faster over the years, however there is no way to confirm that, and even if we could it's an unquantifiable increase.
Rappa's Strongarm doesn't scale to Fatgum or Kirishima, since they couldn't dodge his punches. But Overhaul was stated to easily handle Rappa's speed, and Sir Nighteye was able to dodge a Twice Clone of Rappa's attack as well. Note that Twice Clone are just as fast as the original, as the only difference between clones is their durability.
Here is a list of everyone who becomes Hypersonic.
I believe this is all of the speed changes.
Now let's get onto some miscellaneous stuff.
Bakugo should get a higher rating in all keys, as he's capable of releasing explosions higher than he can normally with his gauntlets. He can unleash explosions that powerful without his gauntlets, but the recoil of the blast injures him. Either way, he should have a higher with his maximum explosions.
I believe this calc should use the surface explosion formula, since Izuku unleashes the explosion from the ground. Using the proper formula increase the results to 3.7 Tons, which means U.A. Beginning Bakugo should be High 8-C with his maximum explosions. I do need to point this out, while Bakugo used Howitzer against Todoroki and he survived, not only did the attack knock him out, but Todoroki actually shielded himself with his ice as you can see in the bottom right.
The anime even shows Bakugo hitting ice. So Todoroki wouldn't scale to this.
Yakuza Unbreakable Kirishima would scale above this, since he can take a Howitzer Impact from a stronger Bakugo.
It's also been talked about that current Bakugo should just scale to 30%. Since Bakugo stated that he's been keeping up with Izuku every time he gets stronger, and the two are usually comparable. Since Bakugo being Baseline 8-B (Which is what he would be without this scaling), would make him over 5x weaker than 20%, which doesn't fit with him keeping up with Izuku.
I'm fine with Bakugo scaling to 30%, does anyone agree or disagree?
Izuku current key should be called Paranormal Liberation War Arc. Since Post-Endeavor Agency Arc implies that he achieved his current power in that one week training arc.
Also we can't use that key for the other students, so PL War Arc should be used to keep it consistent.
Some people mentioned that PLW Arc 30% Izuku should be baseline 8-A instead of 8-B+, since his current 30% is stronger than his current 20%, which should be stronger than his Heroes Rising 20% that did the almost 8-B+ feat, with the wind pressure. Does anyone agree or disagree. (I'm neutral on this)
Gigantomachia's profile was suggested to have a variable ratings, as his power changes depending on his morale.
I've made a sandbox of what this would look like, this should help with some scaling as well. I've also added some of his new abilities and changed his picture. Also you can see that I have Muscular and Re-Destro's profile there as well, I've added a varies rating for Muscular since his Quirk isn't always at Low 7-B. And we already had Re-Destro set up like that, but we just didn't label it as varies. Do you all agree with this?
Paranormal Liberation War Arc Kirishima's Unbreakable durability, would scale to 8-A as well since he took a hit from Machia who just injured Mount Lady.
Mina's Acid should have 8-A fire resistance with Acid Man, as she was able to jump through Dabi's fire without being burned, even stating the heat couldn't reach her.
Please tell me if I've forgotten about anything up to this point.
75% Shigaraki's AP and Endeavor's Stats
Here we go, Note: I added this after the above discussion was accepted.
First off his dura should be Low 7-B, which is rather straight forward since he can take a barrage of hits from 100% Izuku. However his AP is another story, since Endeavor and Aizawa gave rather controversial statements, comparing his strength to All Might.
Let me give the statements before saying anything else.
Endeavor Chapter 276, page 9. "It's not a Quirk? That's just his strength? That jump from back then too? A swing of his arm lets him move around in midair! That power... it's just like..." He says while flashing back to All Might.
Doctor in the page after. "It's not quite on par with All Might, sadly. Excessive remolding of his body would have overburden his brain."
Aizawa the page after that. "My Erasure hasn't been undone! Does that mean... he's like a perfected Nomu?" Aizawa thinks while flashing to the USJ Nomu that fought All Might.
Endeavor Chapter 277, page 7. "As powerful and sturdy as All Might." Endeavor telling everyone Shigaraki is as strong as All Might, even after being punched by him.
Aizawa same page. "But as long as I don't blink, that power is all he's got." Aizawa seems to agree with him, and no one counters Endeavor's point. Even though Izuku and Gran Torino know how strong All Might is. Which also means their confident they can hold off a All Might level opponent, even after seeing Kamino.
From context, it's likely they're all referring to Kamino All Might (3.91 Megatons). Since that was the only All Might they ever saw go all out, and the most recent version of him. If accepted Shigaraki would downscale from Kamino All Might, because the doctor stated he's not quite on par with All Might, meaning he's comparable but weaker.
Some people have a problem with this, since Endeavor scales to this, and him being comparable to All Might doesn't seem to make sense. Endeavor considered All Might to be a mountain top that he could never hope to reach, so him being All Might level seems to break that meaning. His entire character revolved around being weaker than All Might, and how that led him to treat his family.
So it's clear to everyone, that Endeavor is inferior to All Might.
Also Endeavor scales to this since he's been taking hits from this Shigaraki, and can still confidently state he's comparable to All Might. Some people say he was holding back, but something like that is never mentioned. While Shigaraki was smiling and mocking Endeavor, it was that smiling Shigaraki who's power was compared to All Might. This doesn't mean he was holding back, you can mock and smile at someone while using your normal strength.
Him holding back means we accept that Shigaraki could outpace and one shot Endeavor, but chooses not to even though Endeavor can actually kill him.
Especially since moments before Shigaraki tried to instantly kill Endeavor with decay, during the start of their fight in Chapter 274.
Shigaraki also stated in the pervious arc, that he's done with taking the heroes lightly, and will destroy them with everything he's got.
With this logic, Shigaraki tries to kill Endeavor instantly in the first second of their fight, yet decides to holds back after getting his Quirk erased so he won't kill him?
Also Shigaraki decided to attack Aizawa, that clearly means he wasn't confident in beating Endeavor while his Quirks were erased, and being distracted by others.
They are no threat to him if he could one shot Endeavor, who kept trying to go near Shigaraki, which puts him in one punch range.
Shigaraki was desperate to get his powers back, by killing or getting away from Aizawa. Since at one point he thought about grabbing Izuku and running away.
He wanted to instantly kill them, as proof, the first thing he did when his powers return was tried to mass decay everyone. Clearly showing he would love a instant death attack, which he couldn't do to Endeavor, since he would've done it already if he could.
Another point people bring up to counter Endeavor scaling was Forcible Quirk Activation, which impaled Endeavor, but not All Might. This isn't a counter to this either, Endeavor is less durable than Kamino All Might, and Shigaraki is weaker than All Might, which means he's weaker than AFO. FQA being able to impale him just shows he's weaker, which we already know. No one is say he's equal to All Might, he's weaker but comparable.
That is why Endeavor scales to Shigaraki's AP.
This should be all of the evidence for Low 7-B AP for Shigaraki, however I do have something to mention.
Endeavor being 7-C, via scaling to this attack from AFO.
Question is why?
See in chapter 93, page 4-5. All For One prepares an Air Cannon to shoot All Might with, however Endeavor attacks AFO who counters his flames with that Air Cannon. If Endeavor's flames were just 8-A, that attack would've gone straight through his fire and hit him. However Endeavor is perfectly fine which means they cancelled each other out. The anime shows even more, with Endeavor directly clashing with AFO's Air Cannon who's arm is still using Spring Like Limbs.
Also Endeavor does clash with Shigaraki's Air Cannon here, just something else add on.
I think Endeavor's AP should scale to 7-C, via canceling out an Air Cannon from AFO and Shigaraki.
This scales to the force of his flames, which means this would upgrade any 8-As that scale to Endeavor's flames to 7-C as well, such as Hood and whatever
Note: I believe Hawks is an outlier and should not scale to Dabi's flames anymore. Considering the fact he couldn't one shot white Nomus, which are the weakest Nomu. I believe he should be High 8-C, but I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that. Especially since I don't have good reasons for it.
Upgrades due to the Heroes Rising Movie.
I should put this here, just in case. This is why the My Hero Movies are considered canon.
Easy one, Heroes Rising Bakugo and anyone who scales to him become High 8-C+ via this calc.
Base Izuku was noted to take hits from Nine, that could injure Bakugo, who has High 8-C+ dura. So let's discuss if this is an outlier or not.
Yakuza Arc 8% Izuku and Bakugo, should scale above baseline High 8-C, via being stronger than Unbreakable Kirishima's AP which is baseline. Mirio, Sir Nighteye, and Chisaki will scale above even them. Lover Mode Gentle scales to Yakuza Arc 8% Izuku.
Jiro's dura should scale to a weakened Ojiro's dura. Since she can take hits from a Weakened Nine, who could hurt an injured Ojiro, and survived the same attacks as he did. This also includes Shoji as well, since he took attacks from this Weakened Nine too.
It was mentioned that since Oijro preformed a 1.7 Ton 8-C+ feat while injured, he should upscale to baseline High 8-C. Iida would also become Baseline High 8-C without Recipro, since he was able to make a casual Chimera flinch, and force him to let go of Shoji who is 1.7 Ton 8-C+.
Now Sugar Rush Sato, who was able to break RoV Saga Bakugo's Grenadiers Bracers. For some reason he is given an 8-C+ rating which doesn't make sense, that Bakugo is High 8-C+ and his Bracers should've been scale up to handle those types of blast. Saying he's 8-C+ implies Bakugo's Gauntlets blast haven't gotten any stronger.
Sugar Rush Sato should become High 8-C+, via destroying Bakugo's Gauntlets. Also his Yakuza Arc self scale to 8% and Bakugo, as they were considered to be comparable to each other by Kirishima. Then we see Bakugo and Sato attacking Kirishima at the same time, which shows they're comparable.
Uraraka and Sero, should have their dura upgraded to High 8-C, via taking attacks from a normal Nine. However they were knocked unconscious, so they would downscale from this and will be just High 8-C, no plus sign. I'd personally put them at 4 tons, two times less than Nine's AP, but I'm not sure if we can do that.
Asui and Iida were also slammed into each other by Chimera, and both took similar amounts of damage. This means Asui's dura should scale to Iida's dura.
Some Speed upgrades.
First, it was mentioned to have 8% Izuku and anyone who scales be baseline Supersonic+ (Mach 2.5) via Bakugo stating 8% is way way faster than his 5%, which is Mach 1.9.
Does anyone agree or disagree with that?
In MHA Vigilantes, Chapter 87. Overclock faces off against a younger Kendo Rappa. It's mentioned that even though Rappa has wasted movements, he can't find an opening in his barrage even with Overclock. So Rappa's attack speed with Strongarm should be Hypersonic (Mach 5.75), via scaling to this calc.
Note: It was mentioned that Rappa's attack speed may have gotten faster over the years, however there is no way to confirm that, and even if we could it's an unquantifiable increase.
Rappa's Strongarm doesn't scale to Fatgum or Kirishima, since they couldn't dodge his punches. But Overhaul was stated to easily handle Rappa's speed, and Sir Nighteye was able to dodge a Twice Clone of Rappa's attack as well. Note that Twice Clone are just as fast as the original, as the only difference between clones is their durability.
Here is a list of everyone who becomes Hypersonic.
- Overhaul: (Can easily defeat Kendo Rappa)
- Sir Nighteye: (Can dodge Rappa's Strongarm)
- Yakuza Arc/MVA Shigaraki: (Surprised Overhaul with his speed)
- Mirio: (Can keep up with Overhaul, and is faster than Sir Nighteye who can dodge Rappa's Strongarm)
- Re-Destro: (Outpaced MVA Arc Shigaraki, who is faster than his Yakuza Arc self)
- 20% to 30% Izuku: (Can outpace Overhaul, and is faster than his 20%)
- War Arc Bakugo: (Equals 30% Speed)
- Recipro Turbo Iida: (Izuku stated he was faster than Gran Torino)
- Chimera: (Can easily keep up with Recipro Turbo)
- Endeavor: (Is faster than 30%, as he wasn't blitz by Shigaraki like they were)
- Gran Torino: (Saved 30% Izuku and Bakugo from being blitz by Shigaraki)
- Gigantomachia: (Scales to Gran Torino)
- Hawks and Hood: (Both of them can outpace Endeavor)
- Hospital High-Ends: (Was able to react to an attack from Endeavor even when caught off guard, and could throw Mirko at Endeavor before he could kill him)
- Mirko and Crust: (Can keep up with the Hospital High-Ends)
I believe this is all of the speed changes.
Now let's get onto some miscellaneous stuff.
Bakugo should get a higher rating in all keys, as he's capable of releasing explosions higher than he can normally with his gauntlets. He can unleash explosions that powerful without his gauntlets, but the recoil of the blast injures him. Either way, he should have a higher with his maximum explosions.
I believe this calc should use the surface explosion formula, since Izuku unleashes the explosion from the ground. Using the proper formula increase the results to 3.7 Tons, which means U.A. Beginning Bakugo should be High 8-C with his maximum explosions. I do need to point this out, while Bakugo used Howitzer against Todoroki and he survived, not only did the attack knock him out, but Todoroki actually shielded himself with his ice as you can see in the bottom right.
The anime even shows Bakugo hitting ice. So Todoroki wouldn't scale to this.
Yakuza Unbreakable Kirishima would scale above this, since he can take a Howitzer Impact from a stronger Bakugo.
It's also been talked about that current Bakugo should just scale to 30%. Since Bakugo stated that he's been keeping up with Izuku every time he gets stronger, and the two are usually comparable. Since Bakugo being Baseline 8-B (Which is what he would be without this scaling), would make him over 5x weaker than 20%, which doesn't fit with him keeping up with Izuku.
I'm fine with Bakugo scaling to 30%, does anyone agree or disagree?
Izuku current key should be called Paranormal Liberation War Arc. Since Post-Endeavor Agency Arc implies that he achieved his current power in that one week training arc.
Also we can't use that key for the other students, so PL War Arc should be used to keep it consistent.
Some people mentioned that PLW Arc 30% Izuku should be baseline 8-A instead of 8-B+, since his current 30% is stronger than his current 20%, which should be stronger than his Heroes Rising 20% that did the almost 8-B+ feat, with the wind pressure. Does anyone agree or disagree. (I'm neutral on this)
Gigantomachia's profile was suggested to have a variable ratings, as his power changes depending on his morale.
I've made a sandbox of what this would look like, this should help with some scaling as well. I've also added some of his new abilities and changed his picture. Also you can see that I have Muscular and Re-Destro's profile there as well, I've added a varies rating for Muscular since his Quirk isn't always at Low 7-B. And we already had Re-Destro set up like that, but we just didn't label it as varies. Do you all agree with this?
Paranormal Liberation War Arc Kirishima's Unbreakable durability, would scale to 8-A as well since he took a hit from Machia who just injured Mount Lady.
Mina's Acid should have 8-A fire resistance with Acid Man, as she was able to jump through Dabi's fire without being burned, even stating the heat couldn't reach her.
Please tell me if I've forgotten about anything up to this point.
75% Shigaraki's AP and Endeavor's Stats
Here we go, Note: I added this after the above discussion was accepted.
First off his dura should be Low 7-B, which is rather straight forward since he can take a barrage of hits from 100% Izuku. However his AP is another story, since Endeavor and Aizawa gave rather controversial statements, comparing his strength to All Might.
Let me give the statements before saying anything else.
Endeavor Chapter 276, page 9. "It's not a Quirk? That's just his strength? That jump from back then too? A swing of his arm lets him move around in midair! That power... it's just like..." He says while flashing back to All Might.
Doctor in the page after. "It's not quite on par with All Might, sadly. Excessive remolding of his body would have overburden his brain."
Aizawa the page after that. "My Erasure hasn't been undone! Does that mean... he's like a perfected Nomu?" Aizawa thinks while flashing to the USJ Nomu that fought All Might.
Endeavor Chapter 277, page 7. "As powerful and sturdy as All Might." Endeavor telling everyone Shigaraki is as strong as All Might, even after being punched by him.
Aizawa same page. "But as long as I don't blink, that power is all he's got." Aizawa seems to agree with him, and no one counters Endeavor's point. Even though Izuku and Gran Torino know how strong All Might is. Which also means their confident they can hold off a All Might level opponent, even after seeing Kamino.
From context, it's likely they're all referring to Kamino All Might (3.91 Megatons). Since that was the only All Might they ever saw go all out, and the most recent version of him. If accepted Shigaraki would downscale from Kamino All Might, because the doctor stated he's not quite on par with All Might, meaning he's comparable but weaker.
Some people have a problem with this, since Endeavor scales to this, and him being comparable to All Might doesn't seem to make sense. Endeavor considered All Might to be a mountain top that he could never hope to reach, so him being All Might level seems to break that meaning. His entire character revolved around being weaker than All Might, and how that led him to treat his family.
So it's clear to everyone, that Endeavor is inferior to All Might.
Also Endeavor scales to this since he's been taking hits from this Shigaraki, and can still confidently state he's comparable to All Might. Some people say he was holding back, but something like that is never mentioned. While Shigaraki was smiling and mocking Endeavor, it was that smiling Shigaraki who's power was compared to All Might. This doesn't mean he was holding back, you can mock and smile at someone while using your normal strength.
Him holding back means we accept that Shigaraki could outpace and one shot Endeavor, but chooses not to even though Endeavor can actually kill him.
Especially since moments before Shigaraki tried to instantly kill Endeavor with decay, during the start of their fight in Chapter 274.
Shigaraki also stated in the pervious arc, that he's done with taking the heroes lightly, and will destroy them with everything he's got.
With this logic, Shigaraki tries to kill Endeavor instantly in the first second of their fight, yet decides to holds back after getting his Quirk erased so he won't kill him?
Also Shigaraki decided to attack Aizawa, that clearly means he wasn't confident in beating Endeavor while his Quirks were erased, and being distracted by others.
They are no threat to him if he could one shot Endeavor, who kept trying to go near Shigaraki, which puts him in one punch range.
Shigaraki was desperate to get his powers back, by killing or getting away from Aizawa. Since at one point he thought about grabbing Izuku and running away.
He wanted to instantly kill them, as proof, the first thing he did when his powers return was tried to mass decay everyone. Clearly showing he would love a instant death attack, which he couldn't do to Endeavor, since he would've done it already if he could.
Another point people bring up to counter Endeavor scaling was Forcible Quirk Activation, which impaled Endeavor, but not All Might. This isn't a counter to this either, Endeavor is less durable than Kamino All Might, and Shigaraki is weaker than All Might, which means he's weaker than AFO. FQA being able to impale him just shows he's weaker, which we already know. No one is say he's equal to All Might, he's weaker but comparable.
That is why Endeavor scales to Shigaraki's AP.
This should be all of the evidence for Low 7-B AP for Shigaraki, however I do have something to mention.
Endeavor being 7-C, via scaling to this attack from AFO.
Question is why?
See in chapter 93, page 4-5. All For One prepares an Air Cannon to shoot All Might with, however Endeavor attacks AFO who counters his flames with that Air Cannon. If Endeavor's flames were just 8-A, that attack would've gone straight through his fire and hit him. However Endeavor is perfectly fine which means they cancelled each other out. The anime shows even more, with Endeavor directly clashing with AFO's Air Cannon who's arm is still using Spring Like Limbs.
Also Endeavor does clash with Shigaraki's Air Cannon here, just something else add on.
I think Endeavor's AP should scale to 7-C, via canceling out an Air Cannon from AFO and Shigaraki.
This scales to the force of his flames, which means this would upgrade any 8-As that scale to Endeavor's flames to 7-C as well, such as Hood and whatever
Note: I believe Hawks is an outlier and should not scale to Dabi's flames anymore. Considering the fact he couldn't one shot white Nomus, which are the weakest Nomu. I believe he should be High 8-C, but I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that. Especially since I don't have good reasons for it.
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