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Fate supporters, we have Taigong Wang/Jiang Ziya profile!!!
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But not really 😂
Its not Rider Taigong Wang, but rather the 2014 TV Series version of Taigong Wang. Once found his profile and now i want to make some of matches with him, starting with of course my fave Minamoto's samurai, Minamoto no Raikou
Both Taigong Wang and Minamoto no Raikou had slain some of monsters as well so an cinematic match? Lets see (and hopefully the magic resistance isn't going to be an problem lel)

The expedition to the the land of Ancient China has been started by the Shogunate of Japan in order for further expanding their territory
The army of Shogunate, lead by Minamoto no Yorimitsu or by her famous nickname "Raikou", are now arrived at the place called "Wulingyuan" after long journey, they decided to took a rest
Even so in their rest time, Yorimitsu was never to let her guard down or anything, later on she decided to wandering for patrol
In her patrol time, an sight of old man who sit in the rock far from her has caught Yorimitsu attention, and carefully she approached him
Yorimitsu asked who is he and why are you here, the old man replied by a soft laugh and said that he knew the leaders of Wa Country were went to China for searching and expanding the territory
Yorimitsu asked again if he's a demon or supernatural being, old man soft laugh again, and said that if you want to know, then you need to pass my challenge in duel
Not fell into that, Yorimitsu rejected the request, the old man just nodded on it.....and he asked that are you really don't want it? which Yorimitsu replied on "i don't want to waste my time here"
The old man just nodded on it, but he didn't give up, he then said "i know you, you are one of the best warriors in Wa, famed by your skill and experience alongside your tales of slaying demons and monsters across the cointry"
"How did you know?" She asked
Old man just smiled, and then suddenly he attacked her, much to Yorimitsu surprise
"I am here to challenge and test that if you and Wa country are worthy for exploring this divine land, even if you don't want it" said old man while he was in his fight stance
Yorimitsu know that she didn't have much time, but from her conversation within her and old man, she knew that he's not an ordinary old man considering on how much he know about her and the expedition mission
"Change your mind, yet?"
"Guess i have no choice..." she then unsheath her blade "come on, then..."


  • Base Raikou and Series 2 6-C Jiang Ziya are used
  • Speed are equalized
  • Both are in characters
  • No combined interaction of five-directional flags (even if i unrestrict it, its likely OOC for Jiang Ziya to use, feel free to correct me tho)
  • Place: Wulingyuan, China
  • images
  • Starting Range: 10 meters
  • Win via anything!!
  • The legendary Prime Minister of Xiqi: 0
  • The Legendary Heian Greatest Monster Exterminator: 7 (Expectro, Sage, Popted, Starter, Pepper, Random, Glaceon)
  • Inconclusive: 0


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Couldn't find any of 2014 TV Series Jiang Ziya picture so i'm going to use the 2020 movie and Rider Taigong Wang pictures starting from here
 
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Would be able to null the lightning for example of Raikou when not even characters with Magic Resistance can null them?

Also, should this put in wait until the current crt for JTTW end since @Greatsage13th seemed busy with that?
 
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The question is, how really good the power null are for the Yellow Flag
Would be able to null the lightning for example of Raikou when not even characters with Magic Resistance can null them?
It can nulling the elemental as well from what i believe, but i kinda confused on what you mean lel
 
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Well the powernull of the flag is above the average of a regular powernull, where the powernull can powernull other abilities whose purpose is for powernull.
 
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Well the powernull of the flag is above the average of a regular powernull, where the powernull can powernull other abilities whose purpose is for powernull.
This radiating "you dawg" moment ngl lel

You need a proof/scans for the yellow flag powernull are above any of the regular powernull in the series
 
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Do you have the saved videos? If not then we'll have a difficulty on understanding how the powernull in 2014 series work
 
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Nice then
Okay so there was that one time where the poor old man was trapped in a sacred treasure named the wind bag (it's smaller on the outside than it is on the inside) , it is capable of nulling the old man's Wu Zi Tian Shu and only allowed it to analyze the bag, the bag would produce blood which would flood the bag and disintegrate anyone on touch including qi barriers, but when the old man used the yellow flag's barrier, it was able to null the powernulling effect of the blood flood which has powernulling properties.
 
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Raikou can damage people with Magic Resistance, Magic Resistance in fate is powernull, Magic Resistance have Ranks and the higher the Rank more powerful is the powernull and more range have, she have damaged with her lightning characters like Mash, Musashi or Artoria who have Rank A, is even possible she damaged someone with Rank EX with it but I don't remember she fighting someone with that Rank though it could just be that my memory is bad.

In short, I doubt it would null her.
 
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Raikou can damage people with Magic Resistance, Magic Resistance in fate is powernull, Magic Resistance have Ranks and the higher the Rank more powerful is the powernull and more range have, she have damaged with her lightning characters like Mash, Musashi or Artoria who have Rank A, is even possible she damaged someone with Rank EX with it but I don't remember she fighting someone with that Rank though it could just be that my memory is bad.

In short, I doubt it would null her.
I clarified that the flag's powernull is more defense based than offense.
 
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Also can she resist body puppetry which is just paralysis.
She resist body puppetry and paralysis do to servant physiology and Magic Resistance.
I clarified that the flag's powernull is more defense based than offense.
Magic Resistance is purely defensive though, is literally just that the natural resistance of some servants is so high that they just null any hax below their Rank, because of this someone like Medusa with a Rank B is immune to modern magecraft and any hax the current era can do.
 
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She resist body puppetry and paralysis do to servant physiology and Magic Resistance.

Magic Resistance is purely defensive though, is literally just that the natural resistance of some servants is so high that they just null any hax below their Rank, because of this someone like Medusa with a Rank B is immune to modern magecraft and any hax the current era can do.
I see
 
Yes except it's effect has a lil bit more range rather than the effect being only applicable to the flag and body.
If so, then a Servant must be resist it as well because a Magecraft capable of nullifying hax and other abilities that have a range of several meters cannot pass a Servant's Magic Resistance. You can see it on the Servant Physiology page.
 
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If so, then a Servant must be resist it as well because a Magecraft capable of nullifying hax and other abilities that have a range of several meters cannot pass a Servant's Magic Resistance. You can see it on the Servant Physiology page.
Depends, since the flag's powernull can overcome another powernull attempting to powernull.
 
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Servant physiology didn't grant any resistances to spatial attacks didn't it? Then the Nuwa stone is the old man's best option.
 
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Okay, just to make sure

For me its like an decisive win for Raikou, but i'll let the others giving their thought about it

At least i tried my best for the match lel
I took a look at Servant physiology's usages and went "Hell No!" She has too much hax and resistances.
 
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I took a look at Servant physiology's usages and went "Hell No!" She has too much hax and resistances.
Well, it always happen for servants matches in general 😂
Magic Resistance is purely defensive though, is literally just that the natural resistance of some servants is so high that they just null any hax below their Rank, because of this someone like Medusa with a Rank B is immune to modern magecraft and any hax the current era can do.
But from this comment i believe that Jiang Ziya can somehow bypass the MR since well, he's from 11th or 12th century BC and Chinese magecraft in that age (at least in 2014 TV series) are way above everything and Raikou MR is D Rank

I might be wrong about it tho
 
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But from this comment i believe that Jiang Ziya can somehow bypass the MR since well, he's from 11th or 12th century BC and Chinese magecraft in that age (at least in 2014 TV series) are way above everything and Raikou MR is D Rank
You already know that that isn't how it work in vs since to begin with even the most moder magecraft in Fate is 4D, with older things more haxed because of how the verse work.

To note, Magic Resistance just null haxs but a good punch or cut with a sword would do good damage. And she don't use much her haxs, the things like spiritual attacks (which are the attacks with a lot of haxs) is something she would use against humans if in danger, otherwise she should attack normally.
 
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You already know that that isn't how it work in vs since to begin with even the most moder magecraft in Fate is 4D, with older things more haxed because of how the verse work.
4D MR resistance is bullshit so i'll ignore it
I see, how skilled is she in CQC?
One of the greatest Warrior in her clan and in early Heian Era, she has slain so many mystical beings and monsters (like Shuten Douji), and as the leader of Four Heavenly King, thats put her experiencr and skill above the other members of it like Kintoki and Tsuna
In her debut she manage to outclassed the combined power of Mash, Ushiwakamaru, Kintoki, and Koutarou
In Shimosa (different class but still a same person), she's outclassed Musashi a.k.a one of the best swordmaster in Fate
There is Heian-Kyo but i don't know much about it

There is more of it but i'll let the other explain it better than me
 
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Jiang Ziya on the other hand is personally trained by the Yuanshi Tianzun , who is as old as the first qi (basically billions of years old). He also defeated demons that have thousands of years of experience very early on in the first series, he could overpower 4 other taoists who had more fighting experience than he did.

Also an important question, does fate make any distinction between magic and Qi?
 
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Huh, now you talking about, you're right

I don't remember that in Fate the Qi has been brought up, it could be Li Shuwen but i dunno
Because if no one noticed yet, Jiang Ziya doesn't have magic listed in his powers and abilities, his abilities are all Qi.
 
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Fate have Qi, is said to be just another form of magical energy
While he is exceptionally strong, the killing power comes from his Qi (a cultural term for Od, his personal magical energy), focused into his blows with enough force to engulf an opponent. It's been speculated that he used his Qi to create his own territory. Regardless, the effects of being engulfed with Qi are brutally effective
Sphere Boundary: A technique that allows the user to blend into the World around them through meditation and the utilization of Qi. Through these abilities, Li Shuwen can read his immediate environment in fine detail, perceiving every aspect so that he can best minimize the impact of his own existence.
To begin with Magic Resistance despite the name work against anything supernatural.

And about skill, a short summary that actually isn't that short, in Fate is common that servants fight against another servants with precog (with various cases of servants able to see years in the future or even parallels worlds), against machines or beings with high calculation power (some extreme cases like Suzuka who can process infinite parallels worlds or Xiang Yu who can recreate a parallel world and thier history from tiny fragments of a conversation), and that in general have a great ammount of powers and weird haxs. Now, Raikou is officially recognized by the world itself as the best of her era, this is to the point that she can master anything she touch for the first time, a example is how her summer version can use at master level a yoyo and fight against legendaries figures (servants) despite never use one before, she also could naturally block the attacks of Musashi as if nothing, this despite Musashi be a swordmaster that fought against several masters in a uncountable ammount of parallels worlds and who have a special hax that let her in a fight choose the result she want from the infinite number of possibilities, to win against Raikou Musashi needed to grow even more and complete her ability to cut karma.
 
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What actually counts as a stomp? Just curious.
There you go
 
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There you go
I see, so what was Ziya's wincon? He seems to have none.
 
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I mean, he can just kill her the old way in a battle by cutting her head, piercing her heart or dealing a fatal wound. Isn't like the dude don't have skill, it come from a china work and even if the tv series isn't as crazy as the original work he still should have certain level of skill, so just kill her in a duel is perfectly possible, it's just that is more probable that Raikou win.
 
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I mean, he can just kill her the old way in a battle by cutting her head, piercing her heart or dealing a fatal wound. Isn't like the dude don't have skill, it come from a china work and even if the tv series isn't as crazy as the original work he still should have certain level of skill, so just kill her in a duel is perfectly possible, it's just that is more probable that Raikou win.
I see.
 
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