MCU: Removal of Captain America/Winter Soldier and Iron Man scaling

[Qawsedf234]

So generally we have a lot of issue regarding the Civil War fight since it leads to strange ratings, but we more or less have accepted that it is what it is. However, the canon MCU databook the Wakanda Files has this passage about the Civil War Iron Man armor

First armor to utilize nanotechnologies. Limited, active noncombatant armor developed in conjunction with signing of Sokovia Accords.

The armor was never designed for actual combat situations and was made to fit the Sokovia Accords. As such the armor cannot scale to suits like the Mark VII or his other main armors, as they were all designed with combat in mind. Ramifications from this:

• Unless a new feat is found Cap's shield AP goes from 8-A to "At least 8-C"
• Bucky's arm loses its 8-A AP rating
• Tony gets a key for this Iron Man armor to make the scaling more straightforward
• All aspects of lifting strength scaling from Cap/Bucky to Iron Man are removed, as the suit would scale to them rather than them to previous models.
• While debatably this might means that suits like the Mark VII can upscale from the Mark 46, since they were designed with combat in mind rather than fitting with the Accords.

This may lead to a general lifting strength revision but it wouldn't be right now.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Do you mean Winter Soldier? In any case, this seems acceptable.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Agree 100%.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I agree

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Black Panther's durability should be adjusted too.

 

[Shadyboi0]

IIRC didn't Tony get hurt by a car falling on him in the airport scene?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Agree with this

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

IIRC didn't Tony get hurt by a car falling on him in the airport scene?

Minor damages to the suit, but it'd be PIS regardless since this Iron Man suit still fought Cap and Bucky.

 

[Dinobot1996]

IIRC didn't Tony get hurt by a car falling on him in the airport scene?

Technically it was more than one car, but yes, it's stated he received multiple contusions from that. Probably shouldn't mean anything for scaling, as he would still scale to better feats than that.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

Technically it was more than one car, but yes, it's stated he received multiple contusions from that.

Well he suit wasn't damaged. It just means that unlike other armors it's not able to mitigate the effects on Tony as well.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Big L, I agree

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also what about Rhodey's armor and the mark 47?

 

[Shadyboi0]

Probably shouldn't mean anything for scaling,

Agree with that, however couldn't it be more proof for it being a non combat suit?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Also what about Rhodey's armor and the mark 47?

Someone did bring up in the past that his armour landed with a far heavier thud than Iron Man at the airport which implies his suit is still heavily armed.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Changes seem fine to me

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Someone did bring up in the past that his armour landed with a far heavier thud than Iron Man at the airport which implies his suit is still heavily armed.

I mean obviously as he has more weapons

 

[Dinobot1996]

Agree with that, however couldn't it be more proof for it being a non combat suit?

Yes, I think it could be used to support that argument, alongside other instances, such as Falcon (both by flying into it and with Redwing) and Hawkeye (with an explosive arrow) being able to knock back and inflict slight damage to it.

Also what about Rhodey's armor and the mark 47?

This section on the War Machine Mark 3 from the Wakanda Files book describes the suit as an "upgrade", though with the stun baton and sonic disabler added to the arsenal to provide nonlethal combat options.

As for the Mark 47, it visibly looks like a recolored Mark 46, but I'm not sure how comparable they're actually meant to be. We don't see the Mark 47 in any combat situations, which complicates things. It's only really notable feat is pushing half a ferry in place for a short period of time, but that's with flight, which we seem to give a separate LS rating on the profile.

 

[LordTracer]

This makes sense to me.

 

[KLOL506]

Pretty sad L, I agree.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I Agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well since it's a universal agreed upon thing I'll apply the changes when I get the chance.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Remember to adjust Black Panther and Falcon too.

Will you be making a brand new key for Iron Man too?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So about Mark 47...

 

[Qawsedf234]

Will you be making a brand new key for Iron Man too?

Yeah. I was thinking something like

At least Building level (Fought Captain America and Winter Soldier at the same time and was generally holding the edge over both of them. Noted as being a noncombat suit), Large Building level with the unibeam (The unibeam uses the full energy of the arc reactor which produces at least 10 gigajoules per second. Vaporized Winter Soldier's arm)

 

[KLOL506]

Time to calc what those upscaled rhinos weigh.

 

[KLOL506]

BTW, should Mark 5 get a downgrade too? It seems like it was designed for a last ditch effort.

 

[Baken384]

The 8A Rating got murdered harder than uncle ben. I agree

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The 8A Rating got murdered harder than uncle ben. I agree

This is only for Mark 46 lel

 

[Baken384]

This is only for Mark 46 lel

I meant the shield

 

[KLOL506]

I meant the shield

I'm sure there's something out there that can possibly restore it.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah Cap probably has fought some strong dood with his shield just have to dig a bit

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah. I was thinking something like

Seems fine, nitpicking that Iron Man seemed pretty overwhelmed when they were 2v1 on him instead of running/separating, I'd probably say holding the edge over them individually or something along those lines instead to avoid people misunderstanding it as some sort of a multiplier.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

BTW, should Mark 5 get a downgrade too? It seems like it was designed for a last ditch effort.

Why was that key removed in the first place? I forgot.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

BTW, should Mark 5 get a downgrade too? It seems like it was designed for a last ditch effort.

Probably not unless we have full proof or statements it's much weaker than his other armors.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Btw, I'm probably reaching but couldn't the Mark 47 upscale to baseline High 8-C from the Mark 2? Who's 1.9 tons, which is borderline almost High 8-C.

Cap and Bucky (And those who scale to them) could downscale to 8-C+ from that.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Scaling from the shitty first armour would work but I don't think there would be much evidence to scale it to the Mark 2

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Scaling from the shitty first armour would work but I don't think there would be much evidence to scale it to the Mark 2

The mark 2 isn't really a combat model at all. And it was his first proper suit ever, I don't think Tony would make it weaker than it.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

That suit fought on par with the Mark IV though?

 

[Qawsedf234]

So here's what I got

• Iron man scales to WS and Cap
• Giant Man scales to War Machine rather than Iron Man
• Cap, WS, BP and Falcon have their Iron Man mentions removed

That everything?