Mash Burnedead and the Rave Master (Mash Burnedead vs Haru Glory)

[AnAverageUsername]

Considering the last time Mash fought a magic user, it was deemed unfair. So how about he fight's another magic user?

Mash is restricted to his bracelets and Post-Shiba Fight Haru is used

Speed is equalized

Mash is at 365 Megatons at 7A+

Haru is at 7A+ at 550 Megatons

Mash Burnedead

Mash Burnedead is the protagonist of Mashle: Magic and Muscles and a student at Easton Magic Academy. Mash was born with no magic in a world where magic is the norm, where those without magic are persecuted and killed. In order to protect him, Mash’s adoptive father raised him far away from...

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Haru Glory

I live the way that I feel is right. Fate and destiny be damned. I fight, because I choose to fight! Because I love this world!Haru to Lucia Haru Glory is the current Rave Master. He is the heir to Rave, the only one capable of wielding it and destroying Dark Bring. He is the main protagonist of...

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Incon: 5 (Kazuma_Kuwabara, Popted2, Expectro2000xxx, rawXDglomp, Sonicflare9)

 

[rawXDglomp]

I see no resistance to paralysis and haru has this "Form 6 - Mel Force: A sword that can use air attacks. This form allows the user to fire powerful bursts of air at the enemy to blow them away and paralyze them. "
What Mash do? Assuming this is a Haru with access to this, his profile isn't super clear on when he gets each form.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I see no resistance to paralysis and haru has this "Form 6 - Mel Force: A sword that can use air attacks. This form allows the user to fire powerful bursts of air at the enemy to blow them away and paralyze them. "
What Mash do? Assuming this is a Haru with access to this, his profile isn't super clear on when he gets each form.

Well are the air blasts visible? Maybe Mash could dodge them if they are.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It is more interesting to use Mash's 6-B+ key to fight against Haru's High 6-B key. The difference is quite small

 

[rawXDglomp]

Well are the air blasts visible? Maybe Mash could dodge them if they are.

That's a good question and I don't know because I dropped rave master like 20 chapters in. The profile has a pic of a move listed under this visibly moving wind, but that doesn't seem to actually be this, but an extension or something.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It is more interesting to use Mash's 6-B+ key to fight against Haru's High 6-B key. The difference is quite small

Yeah but I'm just being cautious here, plus, this is still a decent gap that isn't too wide, with Haru being on the higher end it seems.

 

[Popted2]

okay if you are using the post shiba fight Haru, then his ap is 550 megatons, and he has access to 9 swords

 

[AnAverageUsername]

okay if you are using the post shiba fight Haru, then his ap is 550 megatons, and he has access to 9 swords

I know nothing about this verse so thanks for informing. So the AP is pretty close right?

 

[Popted2]

I know nothing about this verse so thanks for informing. So the AP is pretty close right?

if he's really 365 megatons then yeah,

 

[Popted2]

also a little note Haru IS NOT a magic user, he just use a special sword

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah but I'm just being cautious here, plus, this is still a decent gap that isn't too wide, with Haru being on the higher end it seems.

To be fair, Mash scales massively above 80 teratons

Doom's 50% >= Unlimited Physical Mode > Doom's 30% > Domina's Thirds Spell > Domina's Third Line >= Mash's Bracelets limit > Mash > Domina's Secondth = 80 Teratons

If we accept Jotaro with 7.9 tons beating characters with 20 tons, I see no problem using the 6-B key here

 

[Popted2]

To be fair, Mash scales massively above 80 teratons

Doom's 50% >= Unlimited Physical Mode > Doom's 30% > Domina's Thirds Spell > Domina's Third Line >= Mash's Bracelets limit > Mash > Domina's Secondth = 80 Teratons

If we accept Jotaro with 7.9 tons beating characters with 20 tons, I see no problem using the 6-B key here

the high 6-B or the 6-B?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Mash's High 6-B key cannot be used

 

[AnAverageUsername]

also a little note Haru IS NOT a magic user, he just use a special sword

Dammit, I only made this match from a suggestion from a previous thread so sorry that it was wrong

 

[AnAverageUsername]

the high 6-B or the 6-B?

the 6B key would only be useable, as Mash subconsciously won't use the fullest of his power it seems.

 

[Popted2]

what ap is his 6-B ap?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

what ap is his 6-B ap?

At the very least 80 Teratons.

 

[Popted2]

At the very least 80 Teratons.

Haru is far superior to 126 teratons since these characters upscales to be far superior than a certain weapon that did this feat

would he one shot?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Haru is far superior to 126 teratons since these characters upscales to be far superior than a certain weapon that did this feat

would he one shot?

Considering they're both less than 2x their AP difference when compared, and those are the very least for those AP's, probably not?

 

[Popted2]

Considering they're both less than 2x their AP difference when compared, and those are the very least for those AP's, probably not?

just asking

 

[rawXDglomp]

How strong are their respective amps, and how long can haru use his before he runs into the issues his profile mentions? From what I read of Rave Master he couldn't use multiple swords at once, but I never read far enough for passive swords like an amp. Does he just lose access to his other abilities when using that sword?
"Form 9 - Sacrifar:"
This one. It says he 'should' lose this weakness at some point but I dunno if that's this key and 'should' means he actually did.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Dammit, I only made this match from a suggestion from a previous thread so sorry that it was wrong

~~You are welcome~~

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Haru would hardly defeat Mash with one attack, thanks to his regeneration and practically infinite stamina. In fact, it would hardly be possible to at least hit Mash with an attack thanks to analytical prediction, which allows him to dodge attacks FTE at close range. In addition he has already shown himself capable of dodging attacks from an experienced swordsman even though Mash movements are practically all limited

Mash also has massive speed amplifiers, being able to land over 60000 punches on his opponent in some instants

 

[AnAverageUsername]

just asking

Damn, now I feel like I came off as condescending, didn't mean to come off like that

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Haru would hardly defeat Mash with one attack, thanks to his regeneration and practically infinite stamina. In fact, it would hardly be possible to at least hit Mash with an attack thanks to analytical prediction, which allows him to dodge attacks FTE at close range. In addition he has already shown himself capable of dodging attacks from an experienced swordsman even though Mash movements are practically all limited

Mash also has massive speed amplifiers, being able to land over 60000 punches on his opponent without him being able to defend himself or understand the situation before the attack ends.

Isn't Punched Squared only available in Unlimited Physical Mode though? Unless I should switch to their 6B and H6B keys respectively.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I thought we had started using the tier 6 keys

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Eh, I'll wait for more of a consensus.

 

[rawXDglomp]

I mean if that version of mash has 6000 hits a second, infinite stamina and too much regen/prediction for haru to beat, it seems best not to use that mash

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I am confused with Mash profile

His tier says it "varies" so what are his variable tiers? His AP explain it and gives context, but it should also be put in his tiering

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I am confused with Mash profile

His tier says it "varies" so what are his variable tiers? His AP explain it and gives context, but it should also be put in his tiering

Yeah, it varies, but the tiers themselves, labeled by the AP ratings, are there

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yeah, it varies, but the tiers themselves, labeled by the AP ratings, are there

It should also be labered as "varies from 7-C to 7-A to 6-B" in his tiering I think, people will find it more easily

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It should also be labered as "varies from 7-C to 7-A to 6-B" in his tiering I think, people will find it more easily

Fair point. But there would probably need to be a CRT to discuss that, probably.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I would have gone to contact other supporters of this verse....

Until I realized that only 2 of the 3 supporters of this verse are still active. And they're already here. Huh.

Anyways, what are the current thoughts with these keys that are used?

 

[Popted2]

How strong are their respective amps, and how long can haru use his before he runs into the issues his profile mentions? From what I read of Rave Master he couldn't use multiple swords at once, but I never read far enough for passive swords like an amp. Does he just lose access to his other abilities when using that sword?
"Form 9 - Sacrifar:"
This one. It says he 'should' lose this weakness at some point but I dunno if that's this key and 'should' means he actually did.

don't know, Haru profile is a little outdated so those amp stat issues are probably not completely true since Haru never had those issues,
yes in the beginning, but even from his first key he learned how to use 2 swords at once, tough only the combinations that are wrote in the prodfiles can use
that Sacrifar sword, trade his emotions with bloodlust and make his mind completely focus on killing his enemies, massively amplifying his statistics to the point of easily defeating someone who can match him but haru was overall weaker, this sword seems to cut space attacks

the thing is Haru will ABSOLUTELY NOT USE THIS SWORD, since the drawback is that the sword will take control of the user, however this weakness will be gone in the last key,

 

[AnAverageUsername]

don't know, Haru profile is a little outdated so those amp stat issues are probably not completely true since Haru never had those issues,
yes in the beginning, but even from his first key he learned how to use 2 swords at once, tough only the combinations that are wrote in the prodfiles can use
that Sacrifar sword, trade his emotions with bloodlust and make his mind completely focus on killing his enemies, massively amplifying his statistics to the point of easily defeating someone who can match him but haru was overall weaker, this sword seems to cut space attacks

the thing is Haru will ABSOLUTELY NOT USE THIS SWORD, since the drawback is that the sword will take control of the user, however this weakness will be gone in the last key,

And of course, we can't use the last key considering that Unlimited Physical Mode might be a little too busted.

 

[rawXDglomp]

So IC mash has amps and haru doesn't? Are mash's amps enough for him to just blitz? Assuming he can find time to amp. Assuming he doesn't get 1 shot paralyzed

 

[Popted2]

So IC mash has amps and haru doesn't? Are mash's amps enough for him to just blitz? Assuming he can find time to amp. Assuming he doesn't get 1 shot paralyzed

Haru has amps,

 

[rawXDglomp]

Guy like 3 posts ago literally just said he ic doesn't use sword 9, his amp. What other amps he got?

 

[Popted2]

Guy like 3 posts ago literally just said he ic doesn't use sword 9, his amp. What other amps he got?

i said he doesn't use this sword, not that he doesn't have amps

his amps are

Silfarion a sword wich greatly increase his speed

Gravity Core wich increase his attack power

Sacrifar wich will only use in the last key

the more his emotions get stronger, his strengh get stronger as well

 

[rawXDglomp]

So how good are those amps? Mash profile says his amp let him blitz some other guy I know nothing about, but if he's blitzing a guy he wasn't before it much be a large amp.

Haru's page just says via the 'main rave' (which itself just says it buffs everything to ??? level passively over a large time; doesn't even sound combat applicable in the short term) and combat rave (which just says it 'enhances him further' and doesn't say if that's long or short term).
Then silfarion lets him use 'multiple attacks per second', which would mean his base speed when not doing this is < multiple per second? Or what?
And gravity core on his profile just says it makes the sword heavy, not him stronger.

Mash's buff has an actual scan of it being used in an actual fight to give an idea of how strong it is, Haru's buffs, all 4 of them, are incredibly unclear from his profile.