Marvel Abstracts

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What type of abstract existence do they qualify for? It's not specified in pages such as Eternity, Death (Marvel Comics), Infinity (Marvel Comics) etc, what type they are.

Also what type of concept manipulation they have isn't listed either, same with their Regenerationn.

 

[The_Snark_Knight]

Well, the concepts they manipulate are what it says on the tin, no? Eternity, Death and Infinity. That's what they have near mastery over, respectively.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

That's pretty obvious, what i want to know is what type of Conceptual Manipulation they have, type 2, 3 or 4, if i had to guess it's type 3.

Have no clue what Abstract Existence they are though, i know they are embodiemnts but that's about all i know.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure, sorry.

I would recommend asking Sandman31, Matthew, and Shivansh to give input here.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

I think they might have Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation since when Eternity caged Death, he made all beings in creation immortal. Same happened when Beyonder erased Death

Abstract Existence would probably be Type 3 as well. Since they can be beaten without destroying the concept they represent

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

They have non-corporeality though, so maybe they are type 1 abstracts? Existing only as concepts?

Also what type of Regenerationn do they have?

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

To quote the page

"Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars."

That might be the case as well

Since their physical forms which we see all the time are manifestations from the Dimension of Manifestations, home of Anthropomorpho

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

I don't know about their Regenerationn. So far Galactus is the only one in my knowledge who has shown Low Godly Regenerationn. Which is perhaps the best Regenerationn feat for any cosmic entity

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

They are pretty clearly type 1 abstracts.

Have they shown any level of Regenerationn? If they haven't shown any Regenerationn at all and don't scale to galactus it should probably be removed.

 

[The_Snark_Knight]

I don't think they do. Since the abstraction needs to be removed for them to "die", they wouldn't be able to regen :/

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

I have a question. What kind of feat would it be if a Universe is nullified (erased beyond the concept of dimensions), but Eternity's spirit is able to come back to talk to someone? Eternity was dead, but apparently not erased

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Not sure, might be some resistance to existence erasure.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

Okay. Another question

Eternity is the archetype ma, and there are Elder Gods who are described as Jungian archetypes, which are based on Platonic concepts. So, would this qualify them for Type 2 (False Platonic) Conceptual Manipulation?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Don't really see anything about platonic concepts there, just arch typical being used, unless i am missing something.

I am not the best person to ask about this sort of thing though, Assaltwaffle, would probably be better to ask.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The conceptual manipulation is probably type 2, buuuuuut the abstract existence I'm iffy on being type 1

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

@Celestial Assaltwaffle said Jungian archetypes might have Type 3 or 2 Conceptual Manipulation. The Elder Gods were described as Jungian archetypes in Marvel Tarot

The Jungian archetypes are based on Plato's forms

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

He says they could be type 2 but are at least type 3, we should go with type 3 to be on the safe side.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

Yeah Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation and Type 1 Abstract Existence seems fine IMO

 

[Jinsye]

Also Death has shown

Mid-High lol

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Any scans? By mid-high i am assuming you mean regen?

 

[Antvasima]

Type 1 abstract existence and type 3 conceptual manipulation seems fine to me as well, but I am probably the wrong person to ask.

 

[Elizhaa]

If they have Regenerationn while being Abstract Existence (Type 1), then it looks to be Low-godly since they regenerated from their Non-Corporeal abstract self.