• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need your help!

    We need Patreon donations of at least 250 Euros per month for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive "Supporter", "Super Supporter", or "Ultra Supporter" badges that remove all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.

Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

1,299
411
Just read Graham profile and when did Graham get his immeasurable speed back?Don't ppl just keep saying that he aim dodges the spear to decline his speed?
Nope, we found irrefutable proof of him reacting to, blocking, parrying the spear even when his vision was obstructed. It was removed because people didn't remember what happened
 
1,299
411
But does that not guarantee immeasurable speed?
Baseline yes. Thinking about it, the spear is faster than graham since it tagged him so it should upscale.

Eques should be faster than the spear in layer 0 since he's the chief god and all.

Anos is faster than eques.

So graham is baseline, eges is above baseline, eques is 2x above baseline, while Anos is at least 3x above baseline immeasurable speed.

Who's ready to do the Anos vs Archie sonic again now?
 

Dread

He/Him
819
275
Baseline yes. Thinking about it, the spear is faster than graham since it tagged him so it should upscale.

Eques should be faster than the spear in layer 0 since he's the chief god and all.

Anos is faster than eques.

So graham is baseline, eges is above baseline, eques is 2x above baseline, while Anos is at least 3x above baseline immeasurable speed.

Who's ready to do the Anos vs Archie sonic again now?
interesting matchup
 
Baseline yes. Thinking about it, the spear is faster than graham since it tagged him so it should upscale.

Eques should be faster than the spear in layer 0 since he's the chief god and all.

Anos is faster than eques.

So graham is baseline, eges is above baseline, eques is 2x above baseline, while Anos is at least 3x above baseline immeasurable speed.

Who's ready to do the Anos vs Archie sonic again now?
We dont multiply things like that, unless we have clear numerical statements
 
4,085
1,284
World of Magic Bullet is located on layer 21 if I'm not mistaken.
It's more than 21 layers. balandis was called 2 layers deeper and 7th Elensia is stated to be even deeper then we have Eve zenio and hyfollia both in same layer but they are deeper than 7th Elensia. Then Magic bullet world is even deeper.

In fact it's location is suspense because it's stated they could have went to Abyssal world and evolved.

I believe Zennia has reason manipulation and Ending fight possibly has chance of going like how Ruphas fight gone.

The thing i think is Anos and Zennia probably would use reason manipulation to transcend dimensions and even beyond that. Well this is just a headcanon based on other series ending. Knowing Reason manipulation fight would go like that 😂. Just keeping your hopes up 😈.

Anyway i think Zennia probably has all abilities in the verse. He is called the something like conqueror of magic. I wonder when will New arc gonna start.
 
4,085
1,284
I think we can upgrade to (99+ Above the baseline ) or (99+ Uncountable) layer of nothingness for Graham, like (99+ Uncountable) layer of resistance to concept manipulation that Anos already has, because Graham is nothingness without reason/logic even in deep layer of silver sea, even the whole verse.

So I think that makes more sense than infinite layers, but we can upgrade to infinite layer of nothingness if the silver sea has infinite layers in the future
 
1,490
404
I think we can upgrade to (99+ Above the baseline ) or (99+ Uncountable) layer of nothingness for Graham, like (99+ Uncountable) layer of resistance to concept manipulation that Anos already has, because Graham is nothingness without reason/logic even in deep layer of silver sea, even the whole verse.

So I think that makes more sense than infinite layers, but we can upgrade to infinite layer of nothingness if the silver sea has infinite layers in the future
No his nothingness has nothing to do with potency of order.
 
I apologize.It seems that September 23 is just the date of the event that will give information about these animes that are being mentioned in the video

This is the closest we have to a definition at the moment, the reason we don't have the ability on the wiki is because you can barely count the characters that would qualify. And yeah, Anos would qualify.
Hey
Isn't eques has higher dimensional existence ?
If so then anos is able to effect higher dimensional existence right ?
 
4,085
1,284
There are many layers in the Silver Sea, and there are countless bubbles in each layer, and there is an infinite sky in each bubble. There, it stretches on endlessly with no end, and it is where that world's gods are located.
Each god has its own world, and there is a deeper world, the world of the Chief God or the abyssal world.
This line i don't quite get it. By normally

Mortal world < World of gods < Chief gods< deeper world < Abyssal world.

I wonder why he swapped chief god & deeper world places.
 
4,085
1,284
Eques is 2B? Thought he is low 2-C
He should be 2A for being a chief god logically speaking. Each deeper layers world will have all shallow worlds weight and reality mixed into it. Layer 0 should have infinite bubbles which would give infinite worlds reality to one world of layer 1.
 
Eques is 2B? Thought he is low 2-C
Well isn't that anos should get Transduality type 3 by demolishing that only 1-A characters have Transduality type 3 just like plantonic concepts

Trans type 2 is false general transduality which allows a being to be superior to all the dual concepts and their tendency to affect the nature of dual concepts within an entire boundary of reality.... But when someone goes even beyond that boundary of reality then it goes into trans type 3 column...

As in case of anos he is already superior to concepts and principles due to his nep2 and combined state of high order and fate manipulation but now since he descended to deeper layers of world violating more than one reality layer of the structure his level of transcendence has crossed that limited boundary so he's qualified for trans type 3 altho it doesn't mean much cuz anos is already above order of the verse so even without trans type 3 his state can't be reduced
 
Anos also pulled out Levaingirma, a sword which was stated that only omnipotent being can pull it and anos pulled it out with ease.
So isn't anos is nigh-omnipotent ????
 
Noah should be comparable to Amura
Can you also please correct me if there are any mistakes in this


What can Rimuru do to Anos? Well, just in fact? Nothing, nothing and nothing again. Rimuru can devour Anos by Beelzebub...? Useless. People tried to absorb his powers and tried to cancel his powers. The first turned out to be a disaster for the caster, and by the second, Anos has resistances. Moreover, one of the strongest Gods tried to cancel his magic with conceptual influences, and anyway it was useless until Nosgalia overstrained himself to erase the usual jio-Graze. Rimuru can erase Anos into nothing through Turn Null...? Useless. Anos has absorbed Graham's Core, which is non-conceptual nothingness. Rimuru can create an infinite number of clones, attack with all magic and destroy Anos? Useless. The sword of the all-powerful Levaingirm renders Anos immune to all forms of destruction, including mental, spiritual, conceptual, and anti-conceptual influences. Even a direct multiverse+ level attack couldn't cut off Anos' arm. Just his arm. Rimuru simply doesn't have the ability to kill Anos. Rimuru is non-conceptual, and Anos inside his core rotted non-conceptual Graham => Blood of Destruction ignores non-conceptualism. Passing Azathoth for Anos will not be difficult due to Graham's foundation, which allows him to exist in the form of absolute nothingness, even after nothingness has been destroyed. Rimuru's imaginary space does not save, as Anos will look into Rimuru's abyss and simply move to his imaginary space with the Varoika spell. The principle that only Rimuru can be there quietly is destroyed by the Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction. Any manipulation of probability is countered by Venejiar's spell. Blows that pierce space and time are stopped by Anos's bare hands even in Volume 1, when he was at his weakest. I'm not even talking about the fact that Anos can take the powers of the Great Spirits with the help of the Je-Shenza spell and, in principle, is at least multidimensional. Considering the fact that there is another hierarchical structure beyond the silver sea of 100%, I don't even know what level Anos will rise to by Volume 16, while Rimuru has nowhere to rise above the multiverse level.




Just so you know Principle > Concepts & meta-concepts, anos himself has principle manipulation, origin manipulation, reason manipulation, etc. I can name fews more ability and feats that stomp rimuru easily: Anos CM1 is superior than rimuru hence destroying the concept of slime will also destroy rimuru, Anos Eocd destroy everything in sight including principle, reason, origin, nothingness, Nonexistent, etc, his eyes even destroy & nullify passive and things that has always been activated/existed, Rimuru can't effect higher dimensionality existence which mean he can't even touch anos which would give anos the win automatically.
 
Noah should be comparable to Amura
"it unknown if it was a 13D universe, but it was stated to be the 13th karakuri Fuchiban universe & anos viewed it as merely toy then destroyed it, gods can use lower layer universes as shogi piece (Japanese chess-like game) and this is a small proof that there are dimensional gap between reality & fiction in MGK (graham was stated to transcend dimensions as well)"


He said it is stated on chapter 580
 
Anos voadigoad

Anos is unbeatable and unkillable, even tier 1 unable to permakill him.

-Transduality type 3 -NEP nature 2 -Acausality type 5.

(The Big Three Of His Defense Without MEOCD).

He is the hardest tier 2 character to kill without having smurf hax.

His reactive evolution will make him grow even stronger.

Note: some outerversal characters can destroy anos.

Also there is magical eyes of chaotic destruction which can even destroy logic and capable of destroying infinite multiverses in a blink and it is anos mega defence because it counters litterly everything like any conceptual or non-conceptual attacks but an disadvantage is MECOD can destroy something that is within its vision but even omnipresent character can't survive against anos if he was in vision of MECOD.

At last for defence anos has high godly regeneration immortality type 8 manipulation of nothingness Transduality type 3 acasuality type 5 Non-existent physiology type 2 and magical eyes of chaotic destruction.

there is venuzdonor the sword of destruction which can also destroys conceptual or non-conceptual attacks and logic and venuzdonor is reason destroying sword and venuzdonor is for offence and it has infinite range.

both venuzdonor and MECOD can destroy reality and laws and space and time and logic and every concepts and every non-concepts etc

Also please understand the meaning of concepts before debating me and for example that every ability that CCC gilgamesh have is a 'concept and example 2 every skill or immortality or imaginary space or etc rimuru have is a 'concept" (i am talking about current LN rimuru).

both venuzdonor and MECOD can destroy nothingness (not permanently because due of its nature it will regenerates).

Overall defence for anos that includes his resistances too and i can't mention or explain about them because there are too many and if you want see his resistances then you can check his profile in ws wiki battles and not only his resistances you can also see his powers and abilities too.


Any mistakes ?
 
I am really sorry
But i new to this
So i just want clarify my questions
I really don't want to spam but i don't know where to ask these type of questions :(
 
Just ask in one post
Just ask in one post.
Ok
Is anos is nigh-omnipotent because
Anos also pulled out Levaingirma, a sword which was stated that only omnipotent being can pull it and anos pulled it out with ease.

Isn't that anos should get trans type 3 by demolishing the only 1A characters have trans type 3 just like platonic concepts
Trans type 2 is false general transduality which allows a being to be superior to all the dual concepts and their tendency to affect the nature of dual concepts within an entire boundary of reality.... But when someone goes even beyond that boundary of reality then it goes into trans type 3 column...

As in case of anos he is already superior to concepts and principles due to his nep2 and combined state of high order and fate manipulation but now since he descended to deeper layers of world violating more than one reality layer of the structure his level of transcendence has crossed that limited boundary so he's qualified for trans type 3 altho it doesn't mean much cuz anos is already above order of the verse so even without trans type 3 his state can't be reduced

Can you tell me if there is any mistakes also this has nothing to do with rimuru
What can Rimuru do to Anos? Well, just in fact? Nothing, nothing and nothing again. Rimuru can devour Anos by Beelzebub...? Useless. People tried to absorb his powers and tried to cancel his powers. The first turned out to be a disaster for the caster, and by the second, Anos has resistances. Moreover, one of the strongest Gods tried to cancel his magic with conceptual influences, and anyway it was useless until Nosgalia overstrained himself to erase the usual jio-Graze. Rimuru can erase Anos into nothing through Turn Null...? Useless. Anos has absorbed Graham's Core, which is non-conceptual nothingness. Rimuru can create an infinite number of clones, attack with all magic and destroy Anos? Useless. The sword of the all-powerful Levaingirm renders Anos immune to all forms of destruction, including mental, spiritual, conceptual, and anti-conceptual influences. Even a direct multiverse+ level attack couldn't cut off Anos' arm. Just his arm. Rimuru simply doesn't have the ability to kill Anos. Rimuru is non-conceptual, and Anos inside his core rotted non-conceptual Graham => Blood of Destruction ignores non-conceptualism. Passing Azathoth for Anos will not be difficult due to Graham's foundation, which allows him to exist in the form of absolute nothingness, even after nothingness has been destroyed. Rimuru's imaginary space does not save, as Anos will look into Rimuru's abyss and simply move to his imaginary space with the Varoika spell. The principle that only Rimuru can be there quietly is destroyed by the Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction. Any manipulation of probability is countered by Venejiar's spell. Blows that pierce space and time are stopped by Anos's bare hands even in Volume 1, when he was at his weakest. I'm not even talking about the fact that Anos can take the powers of the Great Spirits with the help of the Je-Shenza spell and, in principle, is at least multidimensional. Considering the fact that there is another hierarchical structure beyond the silver sea of 100%, I don't even know what level Anos will rise to by Volume 16, while Rimuru has nowhere to rise above the multiverse level.
This is mine

Just so you know Principle > Concepts & meta-concepts, anos himself has principle manipulation, origin manipulation, reason manipulation, etc. I can name fews more ability and feats that stomp rimuru easily: Anos CM1 is superior than rimuru hence destroying the concept of slime will also destroy rimuru, Anos Eocd destroy everything in sight including principle, reason, origin, nothingness, Nonexistent, etc, his eyes even destroy & nullify passive and things that has always been activated/existed, Rimuru can't effect higher dimensionality existence which mean he can't even touch anos which would give anos the win automatically.
Not mine Is there any mistakes in this

Anos voadigoad

Anos is unbeatable and unkillable, even tier 1 unable to permakill him.

-Transduality type 3 -NEP nature 2 -Acausality type 5.

(The Big Three Of His Defense Without MEOCD).

He is the hardest tier 2 character to kill without having smurf hax.

His reactive evolution will make him grow even stronger.

Note: some outerversal characters can destroy anos.

Also there is magical eyes of chaotic destruction which can even destroy logic and capable of destroying infinite multiverses in a blink and it is anos mega defence because it counters litterly everything like any conceptual or non-conceptual attacks but an disadvantage is MECOD can destroy something that is within its vision but even omnipresent character can't survive against anos if he was in vision of MECOD.

At last for defence anos has high godly regeneration immortality type 8 manipulation of nothingness Transduality type 3 acasuality type 5 Non-existent physiology type 2 and magical eyes of chaotic destruction.

there is venuzdonor the sword of destruction which can also destroys conceptual or non-conceptual attacks and logic and venuzdonor is reason destroying sword and venuzdonor is for offence and it has infinite range.

both venuzdonor and MECOD can destroy reality and laws and space and time and logic and every concepts and every non-concepts etc

Also please understand the meaning of concepts before debating me and for example that every ability that CCC gilgamesh have is a 'concept and example 2 every skill or immortality or imaginary space or etc rimuru have is a 'concept" (i am talking about current LN rimuru).

both venuzdonor and MECOD can destroy nothingness (not permanently because due of its nature it will regenerates).

Overall defence for anos that includes his resistances too and i can't mention or explain about them because there are too many and if you want see his resistances then you can check his profile in ws wiki battles and not only his resistances you can also see his powers and abilities too.
Mine any mistakes ?



My final question


Which is powerful
Logic manipulation or choas manipulation and why

Please once you answer these questions i don't bother you guys again and i don't send any posts after this
 

Dereck03

He/Him
4,700
2,913
Is anos is nigh-omnipotent because
Anos also pulled out Levaingirma, a sword which was stated that only omnipotent being can pull it and anos pulled it out with ease.
No
Isn't that anos should get trans type 3 by demolishing the only 1A characters have trans type 3 just like platonic concepts
Trans type 2 is false general transduality which allows a being to be superior to all the dual concepts and their tendency to affect the nature of dual concepts within an entire boundary of reality.... But when someone goes even beyond that boundary of reality then it goes into trans type 3 column...
Tf you are asking here? TD 2 and TD 3 will getting merged anytime soon and the 1-A requirement will be removed as well so
As in case of anos he is already superior to concepts and principles due to his nep2 and combined state of high order and fate manipulation but now since he descended to deeper layers of world violating more than one reality layer of the structure his level of transcendence has crossed that limited boundary so he's qualified for trans type 3 altho it doesn't mean much cuz anos is already above order of the verse so even without trans type 3 his state can't be reduced
Idk why are you asking here.
Can you tell me if there is any mistakes also this has nothing to do with rimuru
What can Rimuru do to Anos? Well, just in fact? Nothing, nothing and nothing again. Rimuru can devour Anos by Beelzebub...? Useless. People tried to absorb his powers and tried to cancel his powers. The first turned out to be a disaster for the caster, and by the second, Anos has resistances. Moreover, one of the strongest Gods tried to cancel his magic with conceptual influences, and anyway it was useless until Nosgalia overstrained himself to erase the usual jio-Graze. Rimuru can erase Anos into nothing through Turn Null...? Useless. Anos has absorbed Graham's Core, which is non-conceptual nothingness. Rimuru can create an infinite number of clones, attack with all magic and destroy Anos? Useless. The sword of the all-powerful Levaingirm renders Anos immune to all forms of destruction, including mental, spiritual, conceptual, and anti-conceptual influences. Even a direct multiverse+ level attack couldn't cut off Anos' arm. Just his arm. Rimuru simply doesn't have the ability to kill Anos. Rimuru is non-conceptual, and Anos inside his core rotted non-conceptual Graham => Blood of Destruction ignores non-conceptualism. Passing Azathoth for Anos will not be difficult due to Graham's foundation, which allows him to exist in the form of absolute nothingness, even after nothingness has been destroyed. Rimuru's imaginary space does not save, as Anos will look into Rimuru's abyss and simply move to his imaginary space with the Varoika spell. The principle that only Rimuru can be there quietly is destroyed by the Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction. Any manipulation of probability is countered by Venejiar's spell. Blows that pierce space and time are stopped by Anos's bare hands even in Volume 1, when he was at his weakest. I'm not even talking about the fact that Anos can take the powers of the Great Spirits with the help of the Je-Shenza spell and, in principle, is at least multidimensional. Considering the fact that there is another hierarchical structure beyond the silver sea of 100%, I don't even know what level Anos will rise to by Volume 16, while Rimuru has nowhere to rise above the multiverse level.
This is mine
Just so you know Principle > Concepts & meta-concepts, anos himself has principle manipulation, origin manipulation, reason manipulation, etc. I can name fews more ability and feats that stomp rimuru easily: Anos CM1 is superior than rimuru hence destroying the concept of slime will also destroy rimuru, Anos Eocd destroy everything in sight including principle, reason, origin, nothingness, Nonexistent, etc, his eyes even destroy & nullify passive and things that has always been activated/existed, Rimuru can't effect higher dimensionality existence which mean he can't even touch anos which would give anos the win automatically.
Not mine Is there any mistakes in this
Not reading this wall of text, I don't even want to get involved in Anos vs Rimuru as there is a lot of delicacy in this topic. The only thing you have to know is that Anos stomps him.
Anos is unbeatable and unkillable, even tier 1 unable to permakill him.
Maybe
-Transduality type 3 -NEP nature 2 -Acausality type 5.
TD Type 2 not Type 3 yet.
(The Big Three Of His Defense Without MEOCD).
Ye
He is the hardest tier 2 character to kill without having smurf hax.
Yes
His reactive evolution will make him grow even stronger.
Yes
Note: some outerversal characters can destroy anos.
Ofc
Also there is magical eyes of chaotic destruction which can even destroy logic and capable of destroying infinite multiverses in a blink and it is anos mega defence because it counters litterly everything like any conceptual or non-conceptual attacks but an disadvantage is MECOD can destroy something that is within its vision but even omnipresent character can't survive against anos if he was in vision of MECOD.
Yeah and nonsense, don't ask if you already know the answer
At last for defence anos has high godly regeneration immortality type 8 manipulation of nothingness Transduality type 3 acasuality type 5 Non-existent physiology type 2 and magical eyes of chaotic destruction.
Yeah
there is venuzdonor the sword of destruction which can also destroys conceptual or non-conceptual attacks and logic and venuzdonor is reason destroying sword and venuzdonor is for offence and it has infinite range.
Venuz ignores the distance as distances are irrelevants for it.
both venuzdonor and MECOD can destroy reality and laws and space and time and logic and every concepts and every non-concepts etc
Yeah?
Also please understand the meaning of concepts before debating me and for example that every ability that CCC gilgamesh have is a 'concept and example 2 every skill or immortality or imaginary space or etc rimuru have is a 'concept" (i am talking about current LN rimuru).
Don't care
both venuzdonor and MECOD can destroy nothingness (not permanently because due of its nature it will regenerates).

Overall defence for anos that includes his resistances too and i can't mention or explain about them because there are too many and if you want see his resistances then you can check his profile in ws wiki battles and not only his resistances you can also see his powers and abilities too.
Mine any mistakes ?
kay
My final question


Which is powerful
Logic manipulation or choas manipulation and why
By wiki terms, Logic should be above Chaos, same in MG
 
No

Tf you are asking here? TD 2 and TD 3 will getting merged anytime soon and the 1-A requirement will be removed as well so

Idk why are you asking here.


Not reading this wall of text, I don't even want to get involved in Anos vs Rimuru as there is a lot of delicacy in this topic. The only thing you have to know is that Anos stomps him.

Maybe

TD Type 2 not Type 3 yet.

Ye

Yes

Yes

Ofc

Yeah and nonsense, don't ask if you already know the answer

Yeah

Venuz ignores the distance as distances are irrelevants for it.

Yeah?

Don't care

kay

By wiki terms, Logic should be above Chaos, same in MG
Thank you so much and goodbye
 
4,085
1,284
Is there any way to give MEoCD and Purple Eyes High-Godly Regen Negation? Basically scales to all Venuz abilities.
I am gonna upgrade for MEOCD Immortality type 9 negation along with lay upgrade. HGR for Purple eyes not sure. Because I still don't understand how those works. I mean is those eyes just powernull or really destroying gods is there any instance they doing those things. Destroying gods?
 
1,299
411
Tell me this. 👇

Is it just great powernull or does they really has. Feat for destroying God anywhere.
They destroy gods order not literally destroying gods. So yes its a fuck ton of powernull.

Problem now is that since it can null venuzdonor do we consider anyone who can resist it to have 99*uncountable layers of resistance?
 
Last edited:
4,085
1,284
Eldemade is handling it apparently. I went back to read from volume 4 so I can create a profile for eldemade/nousgalia, misa/avos dilhevia, shigshesta.
Wait who the heck is shigesta 💀.

Misa/Avos just copy paste Anos abilities. She can't use EGA and magic eyes but she literally copy cat of Anos. She almost can use other Abilities that anos uses. Spell creation is one of them may be. She currently copied Lays Sword. She also should get Evansmana abilities. Well she can copy things like that but it's works more of Manipulating information of spirits
 

Dread

He/Him
819
275
Wait who the heck is shigesta 💀.

Misa/Avos just copy paste Anos abilities. She can't use EGA and magic eyes but she literally copy cat of Anos. She almost can use other Abilities that anos uses. Spell creation is one of them may be. She currently copied Lays Sword. She also should get Evansmana abilities. Well she can copy things like that but it's works more of Manipulating information of spirits
Which abilities can she copy?
 
Top