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If nobody gets to it by that time, then sure, I can try doing it next week if I'm freed up.
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Manga Goku and Vegeta base form, ssj form upgrade
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My pleasure.
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Quoting this from the other thread:
Not sure I can provide much input other than the 3-B scaling to base seems kinda iffy.
Like the RoF flashbacks don't even have anything to do with scaling to base or that the Goku Black scaling chain was already rejected.
The latter if I remember correctly was because all it proves is that Goku Black's base PL is really high and Vegeta got at least a 10x boost from between fights. SSJR = SSJB multiplier-wise was similarly rejected as it could just be Goku Black getting God Ki like Blue.
Spinoirr has mentioned it was also accepted in the past, but seeing as the scaling hasn't changed, there doesn't seem like anything should change from what we have currently.
Not sure I can provide much input other than the 3-B scaling to base seems kinda iffy.
Like the RoF flashbacks don't even have anything to do with scaling to base or that the Goku Black scaling chain was already rejected.
The latter if I remember correctly was because all it proves is that Goku Black's base PL is really high and Vegeta got at least a 10x boost from between fights. SSJR = SSJB multiplier-wise was similarly rejected as it could just be Goku Black getting God Ki like Blue.
Spinoirr has mentioned it was also accepted in the past, but seeing as the scaling hasn't changed, there doesn't seem like anything should change from what we have currently.
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The RoF flashback is used as an evidence to prove Goku did absorb SSG into his base, not for scaling chain
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Neither of which show Goku absorbed SSJG into his base though?
Unless I got the wrong scans from the thread, these have nothing to do with SSJG.
Unless I got the wrong scans from the thread, these have nothing to do with SSJG.
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They still should be listed as haveing god ki in base via all the facts I shown
Just the at least multi-galaxy level base forms don't start until after the training in the past in the black arc and given Vegeta trained in the RoS for half a year yeah it kinda makes sense for the black scaleing to work given that apparently base Goku and vegeta can take beatings from held back characters that can harm ssj god levels of power. Also like base Goku was literally blasted by ssj blue Vegeta and was barly hurt, now sure Vegeta may have held back in chapter 5 during training but still a solar system level character liveing a at least multi-galaxy level character is kinda sus
Just the at least multi-galaxy level base forms don't start until after the training in the past in the black arc and given Vegeta trained in the RoS for half a year yeah it kinda makes sense for the black scaleing to work given that apparently base Goku and vegeta can take beatings from held back characters that can harm ssj god levels of power. Also like base Goku was literally blasted by ssj blue Vegeta and was barly hurt, now sure Vegeta may have held back in chapter 5 during training but still a solar system level character liveing a at least multi-galaxy level character is kinda sus
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Also the fact they clearly have god ki in base as shown above they should probably be given at best a "possibly at least multi-galaxy level in base and super Saiyan forms, at least multi-galaxy level with god forms" up until the future trunks arc training
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There is also a scan when Goku train with Whis and he use SSG power in base
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Spinoirr
Well yeah, RoF takes place in the manga. I'm not sure if that's ever been debated. If you mean the events of the movie take place exactly the same in the manga's canon, that really doesn't prove anything.
We already know that manga, movies, and anime all have different takes on the events. It doesn't make sense for a few unseen events in the manga to be the exception, especially off of two panels.
Vietthai96
Pretty sure that would just prove my point, using the promo manga.
Well yeah, RoF takes place in the manga. I'm not sure if that's ever been debated. If you mean the events of the movie take place exactly the same in the manga's canon, that really doesn't prove anything.
We already know that manga, movies, and anime all have different takes on the events. It doesn't make sense for a few unseen events in the manga to be the exception, especially off of two panels.
Vietthai96
Pretty sure that would just prove my point, using the promo manga.
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Anyways @Starter_Pack @LordGriffin1000 and @DemonGodMitchAubin @Elizhaa and @DarkDragonMedeus
The black scaleing just make way to much sense I mean black has ssj and ssj rosè is said to be what happens when a god surpasses ssj god so It's clearly blacks ssj blue form in the manga
The black scaleing just make way to much sense I mean black has ssj and ssj rosè is said to be what happens when a god surpasses ssj god so It's clearly blacks ssj blue form in the manga
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Okay.
@Starter_Pack @LordGriffin1000 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus
What do you think about SomebodyData's points above?
@Starter_Pack @LordGriffin1000 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus
What do you think about SomebodyData's points above?
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Somebody's Data makes a lot of sense here, we know for a fact the Manga, Anime, and Movie all have very different takes on the same story
So RoF in the Manga could be similar, but very different overall, so we cannot say for sure that the Movie or Anime are canon to the Manga
So RoF in the Manga could be similar, but very different overall, so we cannot say for sure that the Movie or Anime are canon to the Manga
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Is the point that the manga versions resurrection of F is the same as the movie one which Goku and vegeta have absorbed God ki in base which means they scale to multi galaxy level in base?
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It is? Then if it wasn't accepted then it doesn't matter because they are still multi galaxy in base due to SSJ black and SSR black scaling, and Goku and vegeta being able to sense god ki in base, as well as Goku demonstrating SSG power in base while sparring whis.
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Again that was in a promo manga chapter for the movie and was never added into the volumes not even as a bonus chapter, they just skipped RoF In the manga like they skipped the broly movie in the manga (strange how we use the broly movie for the manga as it's the manga skipped it yet we don't use the RoF movie for the manga too as the manga skipped that arc too)
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If your point is about that it should have the same multiplier, I did make a thread on it in the past. It was rejected.
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What are the new points?
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Most of the OP was either old points (the scaling, SSJR), already questionable (having RoF the movie as canon to the manga), and the others don't even have to do with 3-B base characters (Goku being too strong to heal or Vegeta / Goku being able to sense each other).
Saman pointed this out at the beginning of the thread, but you just rebuttal with the scaling, which again wasn't accepted before / again now.
Saman pointed this out at the beginning of the thread, but you just rebuttal with the scaling, which again wasn't accepted before / again now.
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It sounds more like people weren't told the issues / it being rejected already rather than people changing their minds.
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if you want help ask me.
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Is SSB simply adding God ki to SS like in the anime? If so, can't their base forms just say At least 4-B, 3-B with God ki? Since they can clearly use it still in base, we just don't know if they absorbed it.
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No SSB is SSG + SSJ, god ki doesn't work like that, their base forms themselves don't posses god ki, but they can sense it. And their power is already above SSG in base.
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Like I mentioned before, all that proves is that Vegeta got at least 10x stronger.
The idea that SSJR is exactly like Blue isn't confirmed and even debunked within the same manga, as SSJR lacks features like Blue's stamina issues (And the fact that CSSJB completely blows SSJR out the window, even with fusion).
+What fluffy said.
Like I mentioned before, all that proves is that Vegeta got at least 10x stronger.
The idea that SSJR is exactly like Blue isn't confirmed and even debunked within the same manga, as SSJR lacks features like Blue's stamina issues (And the fact that CSSJB completely blows SSJR out the window, even with fusion).
+What fluffy said.
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