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League of Legends Discussion Thread 8

Maxnumb231 said:
they need to buff pantheon i nthe late game and kinda balance his early game. he falls short during those times.
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He's supposed to fall off in the late game because of how strong he is early. That's how all early-focused champions are supposed to work.
 
Friendlysociopath said:
Maxnumb231 said:
they need to buff pantheon i nthe late game and kinda balance his early game. he falls short during those times.
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He's supposed to fall off in the late game because of how strong he is early. That's how all early-focused champions are supposed to work.
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i agree to some certain extent but they are now blaancing his early game as 19.9 patch notes his ealry abilities are now scaling such his W is now being moved more towards the late game from 135-165% depending on the level of the champ. regardless my point was his early game should be like how riot patched his W to be more scalalble to late game.
 
https://youtu.be/JbkRf-uphog

Riot Pls Stream just ended. Here are the new goodies for the 10 year anniversary.

New Champion: Senna

Preseason changes

Arcane (Animated Series)

Legends of Runeterra (Card Game like Hearthstone)

Mobile and console versions of TFT and LoL (subtitle Wild Rift)

Project A (FPS CoD/CS/OW hybrid)

Fighting game and MMO/Adventure game (possibly?) Teasers

And more fan stuff!
 
Well hey, I tought I could broaden my questioning to farther than weekly.

Cutting it short, anyone got the quote that justifies Starguardians being Low 2-C? The current one isn't good for it at all (being empowered by something that is X tier does not make you the same tier).

Weekly said beating monsters that can destroy the universe, but with what little I remember the best I have is them saying "saving the universe" which is not a good enough reason for Low 2-C. It could be with context, but questionings about braiding each other's hair being dismissed with it doesn't help much. So... yeah, does anyone remember where the proper "universe destroying" statement is?
 
So, what's the argument for Low 2-C, LoL has basically just put Low 2-C on their profiles without arguments.

This is basically "Buu from DBZ can destroy the Universe - Z fighters defeated them thus Saved the Universe" - there are not Low 2-C.
 
Them being imbued with a force that can create a Low 2-C universe and them having the power to fight monsters that can destroy the universe on a Low 2-C scale
 
Again, being granted power from a x tier does not make you anywhere as strong as them by default, I distinctly remember them mentioning the light not being what it once was, and I asked for the quote for the "universe destroying monsters" so the reasonings can be properly adjusted.
 
Can you post the screenshots/quotes regarding this or tell me where exactly to look? I've read the entire lore for Star Guardians and they just say "save the Universe" in their slice of life moments (baking pancakes and braiding hair) - two times. I may have not found it so if you can guide me where to read it.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Again, being granted power from a x tier does not make you anywhere as strong as them by default, I distinctly remember them mentioning the light not being what it once was, and I asked for the quote for the "universe destroying monsters" so the reasonings can be properly adjusted.
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Its not just them being imbued with it, theyre stated to have the power to create the universe themselves
 
From Zoe's profile: Universe level+ (All Star Guardians are imbued with the light of the First Star, which created the universe, Has hunted down and killed countless Star Guardians over eons, including Miss Fortune's original team, Xayah, and Raka) .No Evidence of it granting Universal level+ power.

The First Star created the Universe - good. But the New Worlds are not Universes, no evidence of it suggesting being a Universe. No evidence to show them being equal or having the power to create one.
 
What part of that is remotly that..?

At the risk of being ret*rded, can you bold for me what part of the following implies they create universes?

"In the beginning of all things, the First Star gave its light to create the universe. New worlds were born-and with them, warriors imbued with the light of the First Star. These protectors are supernovas blazing bright, yet destined to collapse as furiously as they burn. They are the Star Guardians."


"In the beginning of all things, the First Star gave its light to create the universe."

Doesn't scale to them.


"New worlds were born-and with them, warriors imbued with the light of the First Star."

New worlds doesn't refer to universes since the context is talking about "the" universe, most likely planets and such. They were also created with them, they had no hands in their creation.


"These protectors are supernovas blazing bright, yet destined to collapse as furiously as they burn. They are the Star Guardians."

The supernova part wouldn't justify tier 4, let alone tier 2.


So... uh, what part of that?
 
I have zero knowledge on them so why High 4-C?

It's... it's not because of that supernova part, right? Right?
 
Every other verse I know of openly disallows scaling an AU to the main story unless said AU distinctly makes it clear that the canon things happened there too.

Like, GT scales to Toei because stuff from Toei is referenced in it.

JoJo spin-offs, and Deltarune once it's done, won't scale to the main series.
 
The AU does make that clear, specifically the Pulsefire line of skins that shows that characters scale to each other in alt universes unless they have feats above the level of their canon counterparts
 
Don't say "it does". Give me proof of that. Because another AU scaling means nothing to this one.

Is there an author statement that says they scale?

Do they meet their canon counterpart to which they are comparable to?
 
Isn't Pulsefire a "what-if" for the future of the main characters in a dystopian version of the future? What does that have to do with this?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Isn't Pulsefire a "what-if" for the future of the main characters in a dystopian version of the future? What does that have to do with this?
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Nope
 
Its not just 'another AU scaling', Pulsefire is literally a series of characters who go through all of the other AUs in the verse and interact with other characters from those AUs

Yes, they meet their canon counterparts and are comparable
 
Rocker1189 said:
the powers of the characters across universes are the same unless said otherwise. That s how it has always worked.
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Based on what? I want proof of this stuff.

Pulsefire is the characters traveling in time, so they obviously scale, that has nothing to do with other skins.
 
Pulsefire is not just 'another AU scaling', Pulsefire is literally a series of characters who go through all of the other AUs in the verse and interact with other characters from those AUs

Yes, they meet their canon counterparts and are comparable
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Isn't Pulsefire a "what-if" for the future of the main characters in a dystopian version of the future? What does that have to do with this?
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The pulsefires literally travel around the multiverse of LoL interacting with themselves and other characters.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Its not just 'another AU scaling', Pulsefire is literally a series of characters who go through all of the other AUs in the verse and interact with other characters from those AUs
Yes, they meet their canon counterparts and are comparable
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See, that's better. I want a quote or statement then that makes this Zoe comparable to canon Zoe.

Or one that shows the magical girls being billions of times above their canon counterparts, at least.
 
Rocker1189 said:
The pulsefires literally travel around the multiverse of LoL interacting with themselves and other characters.
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Same as what I said to Weekly.

Them interacting with alternate versions doesn't make said versions equal unless shwon. And if they are shown to be equal to the magical girls, then they couldn't scale millions of times above them.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Same as what I said to Weekly.

Them interacting with alternate versions doesn't make said versions equal unless shwon. And if they are shown to be equal to the magical girls, then they couldn't scale millions of times above them.
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Except, yet again Zoe is at least comparable to her main form, which is what they scale to, not to their normal forms. The fact that they are MFTL+ being literally millions of times faster is also proof of their superiority to their normal forms.
 
The fact that other star guardians are able to fight Zoe is proof enough of them scaling

Also characters like bard who have canonically traveled to other universes
 
...Why is Zoe at least comparable to her main form tough? Do they meet? Do they compare their powers?

If not, Star Guardian Zoe has completely different background and story,
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
...Why is Zoe at least comparable to her main form tough? Do they meet? Do they compare their powers?
If not, Star Guardian Zoe has completely different background and story,
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She would certainly not be weaker than her main form, they have the same powers for goodness sake..
 
WeeklyBattles said:
The fact that other star guardians are able to fight Zoe is proof enough of them scaling
Also characters like bard who have canonically traveled to other universes
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None of those two... answer my question.

Did they fight main timeline Zoe..? If not, why is Star Guardian Zoe equal to her MT version?

And traveling to other timelines isn't a reason to scale unless this timeline in particular is shown to be equal or superior in power.
 
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