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Execpt were useing the shitty Light Turner.

L is determined to see Turner dead and has about as much info on him as he had on Yagami in the begining of the manga. To clarify, that would be that someone in america is killing people without actually being around them. L has acess to whatever resourses he deems nessasary. Turner is not yet aware of L's presesnce.

He puts the L in Legit

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Is Watari still alive? Cuz Turner can just uses the same trick he did to L from his verse. Heck, pretty eure Anime Watari knew L true name, turner can just sends a page of Death Note to Watari and have him kills L.
 
Well, if we consider that he has no limitations on what his victims can do, the moment L tries to figure out where Light is by going international with the TV broadcast, Light could just write that literally anyone draws a perfect recreation of L´s face and name and send it to his cellphone, since he could literally make them do stuff they do not know anything about (Writing in Japanese when none of them knew it.)


But if Light falls for the trick and kills Lind L Tailor, he could stay hidden for quite a while as he doesnt have such a big god complex as Yagami does and could continue decapitating guys or literally order the police to look for L´s name or to distrust him.
 
Well, he did manipulate fate really well at the finale, even manipulating where Mia´s death note page would land, but sure.

One of the biggest things he has is flat out mind control, as he could give watari orders on the phone. So he could turn most of the police into potential mind slaves looking for L´s name all around the world.

Or control polititians into ordering the surrender of L.

He also can cause collateral damage, so he can order police officers to shoot L or anyone who agrees with him or the president into nuking Japan.
 
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This is tricky.

Its true that Turner's notebook is much stronger than Yagami's but his intelligence is much lower.

However, L could realize from the suicide bombing that the death note capable of collateral damage and try to investigate Kira in secrecy.
 

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Gonna vote L.

Assuming we're following the Death Note type thing, then L from Death Note was only really killed because he gave Light information in the interest of getting his insight. He was able to do so without scrutiny because Light is one of the most intelligent people in Japan. Light Turner is not.

That along with other obvious reasons like L just blatantly outsmarting Turner in every possible way leads me to lean towards L.
 
Exept L was only able to track Yagami out because of his god complex and wanting to be known.

Turner has no agenda nor god complex, he is random. His victims die in several different ways, like decapitation.

If he was oushed to the extreme, he could start mind controlling people to hunt L down and suicide bomb in the police department or threaten to kill presidents.
 

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L FRA.

L nearly uncovered Anime!Light dozens of times over, and in some of them Light only got out on pure luck.

Western light is dead meat, in this scenario.
 

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Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
Exept L was only able to track Yagami out because of his god complex and wanting to be known.
Turner has no agenda nor god complex, he is random. His victims die in several different ways, like decapitation.

If he was oushed to the extreme, he could start mind controlling people to hunt L down and suicide bomb in the police department or threaten to kill presidents.
Causation Error. L could track Light's god complex, but that doesn't mean he is limited to tracking those with a god complex. Light's victims also die in different ways.

L takes this.
 

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Yes.

So could Yagami. He could control people.
 

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Exept Turner's haxed death note can turn literally anyone around L into a spy or suicide bomber.
That's assuming:

A) He'd know where L is.

B) He'd know who L surrounds himself with.

L didn't even put himself near the police to begin with, if that's what you're thinking about.
 
Please do read Turner's profile. He can use nicknames, cause collateral damage, mind control remotely, make people do stuff with information thry do not have in mind.

His death note is far, far haxier than Yagami's by a long margin. Seriously, Turner is far, far more hacy than Yagami As an example, he could make someone draw a perfect recreation of L's face, make them tweet "I am being controlled by the second kira, these attacks will continue as long L is not exposed to the oublic" and bomb a govern office, or even control polititians oe presidents into nuking Japan.

He doesnt even have to chose, he can just use all of those three to make the entire world give up L for their safety.
 
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Turner does have a little more control over the victims than Yagami has, since he can make them do things that they wouldn't be able to normally, that being said, he never used that to attack L at any point in the movie, he only used it to try to find out L's name.

L outclasses Turner in intelligence so much that it isn't even funny; he finds Light and locks him up in a cell before he even comes close to figuring out anything about L.
 
>little more control Are you kidding me? He can even give them remote orders like he did with Watari

Also, i forgot that he has PROBABILITY MANIPULATION. He coulfnindicate that the last death nite page would end up in a dumpster fire by sheer force of fate.
 
Turner is not a dummy, yeah, far dumber than Yagami, but Yagami exposed himself and left a pattern and killed people from the entire globe. You cannot just wank L to have him figure out something from a nonexisting partner with very different methods of killing.

Oh, fucking L is going to know that someone being decapitated and another one in fuckig Italy getting run over by a car are linked?
 

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> Starts assuming Light would act out of character and gives him the ideal situation to win.

> Also assumes L does nothing in response to this.
 
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If controlling Watari didn't work against his version of L, I really don't see why you think it would work against this much more intelligent version of the character.
 

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I hope you realise how fast L found Light's general location, and the only reason he couldn't find Light's exact identity/location was due to Light outthinking him.

American Light gets found out within days and gets shot.
 
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Not to mention that the OP is giving L the advantage of knowing that someone in america is killing people without actually being around them and is determined to get him, while Turner isn't even aware of L's presence. Turner is done for.
 
Oh and why would that be? Becausw of Lind L Tailor? Because YAGAMI fell into his trap?

How would L know that Turner is american help? He can kill remotely and ask literally anyone to draw L's face and kill him then.


Sorry, but it seems obvious to me that Turner would not only win, but stomp.
 
L found out Light was japanese because of Light's early test killings. They were all petty japanese criminals. On top of that, L found out Light was in Kanto almost by accedent. He was going to do the Lind L. Taylor thing prefecture by prefecture untill he found him. It was just blind luck Kanto was the first one tried and Light didn't catch on quick enough. That kinda strat wouldn't work nowa days because of the internet. I'm sure L would be aware of that though.
 
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He can kill remotely and ask literally anyone to draw L's face and kill him then.
Yeah, that seems to be a massive advantague; would you mind linking me to the point in the movie where he does that in character so I can change my vote?
 
He made a bunch of American victims write a message in japanese perfectly, and where ststed to not know Japanese in the first place.

Its after Mia convinces Turner to become Kira.
 
That he can order people into doing stuff or writting stuff taht they didnt have information or has thought of before, unlike canon Yagami, who couldnt force people into doing stuff they di not know how to do.
 
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Yeah, Turner could do that if he wanted, I never said he couldn't, but will he tho? Will he make someone draw L's face? The answer is no; this strategy has never crossed Light's mind in the movie, and it will not cross his mind now. Having hax is completely irrelevant if you don't actually use it.
 
Well, kinda.

He could still use the police from all around the world to investigate L (and use them as mindslaves just like he did with Watari) and probability manip his way to vctory. Hell, he could use a few to threaten L in different languages using different people. Thing is, Turner is random, and doesnt want to be noticed. What will L do even he knew Turner was american? Impise marshall law? Go and kill Turner? No. His father is a cop, he will shot and kill any intruders like any 2nd ammendant american dad would do.


Thing is, i dont see L being able to track turner down any further than that he is american. He could also just control the president and make him order a worldwide L capture operation or hell, make L paranoid anyone around him could be a mind slave and forced to work on his own.
 

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I don't think you're seeing the difference between what Light ca and will do in-character.

He's not going to mindcontrol the entire police force/government to fight L.
 
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Please link me to the part of the movie where he uses the police from all around the world to investigate L or controls the president and make him order a worldwide L capture .
 
I said, if he was pressured to.

But even if he just continued to kill criminals, they would be random, and thus, untraceable.

Yagami was also dumb in his own way, he wanted the world to know of Kira and he killed the 12 cia agents who were targeting him, after all, Turner will not do any of those as he doesnt have a god conplex.
 
Yeah, inconclusive. L will have literally all of the US population if not the world thanks to the internet as potential suspects, while Turner can continue killing forever.

Bloodlusted Turner stomps mercilessly.
 
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We've seen Turner dealing with this exact sittuation in the movie, and he didn't use his hax then, no "pressure" is ever going to make him do that here. Not to mention that, if the much inferior L from the movie could find out that Kira was in Seattle, this L should not have much trouble with that, not to mention that someone with "Average" intelligence isn't gonna be able to hide from the greatest detective in the entire world for very long.
 
Lind L Tailor will simply not work thanks to the internet, and 4chan will just let turner know anything that happens around the world.

What will L do? Censor the interwebs? Investigate every person on the world? Turner could just delay the deaths even with the canon death note and it qoild be impossible to track IPs from international affairs.
 
What will L do? Target democrats if Trump is assasinated and viceversa if he kills Hillary? Will he try to guess his potitial side?

What will L do? Hide all criminals from the entire internet? Censor 4chan? Censor fucking google or news pages?

Its over. The internet simply kills any chance against a random opponent.

Seriously, what in the absolute hell will L do?
 
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If even the much inferior L from the movie could find out that he was in Seattle (although the movie refuses to show how he got to that conclusion), then this much smarter L could track him down as well.

The idea that a random teenager with, and I repeat, average intelligence could hide from the greatest detective in the world, who's job is to outsmart and track down geniuses, when the guy knows what city he lives is in, is just ridiculous.
 

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First off, Asuka, calm down. No need to get so heated.

Second off, you're still assuming Light would act in ways we have never seen him do so before.

He would much more likely stay on killing criminals, to which L would be able to find him ridiculously fast.
 
I ask you again, how. You are just saying "he does", but ive just explained that Turner being random and the internet would make tracking him down impossible.

Oh yeah, someone got run over by a car. "That must be act of kira you guys." Tell me one way L could separate murders done by kira and murders done by mother nature.
 
This is turner on his own, Mia wont be pushing the Kira thing. Which is the inly reason L managed to track Light to seattle (with literally no proof of him writing in the death note.)
 
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Oh yeah, a criminal conveniently got run over by a car while commiting a crime, or decided to kill himself and let the hostages go for no reason, or just suddenly had a heart attack out of nowhere, etc. "That must be act of kira you guys."

FTFY.
 
He killed his mother's killer when he was literally dining and released after being considered innocent.

Oh shit, that must be kira you guys.


Turner just has so much freedom killing anyone he wants from around the woeld and L cannot do anything about it.

Seriously, stop saying 'L tracks down Light gg no re" and actually write how could L even track Light when the internet is a thing.
 
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I already explained how he would track down Light; twice, actually:

not to mention that someone with "Average" intelligence isn't gonna be able to hide from the greatest detective in the entire world for very long.

The idea that a random teenager with, and I repeat, average intelligence could hide from the greatest detective in the world, who's job is to outsmart and track down geniuses, when the guy knows what city he lives is in, is just ridiculous.
 
I guess L kills Seiya and Madoka because they are not as smart as Yagami.

Sorry, but you are greatly downplaying Turner's probability manip and omni directional mind control hax.
 
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So, you're saying that you genuinally think that just a random guy out there could hide from the greatest detective in the entire world?
 
Also, he is one of the best in his class and able to solve math from superior grades.

Turner is not r3tarded, he is smart, just not as smart as Light.

I can be mentally r3tarded, but i can easly kill L by nuking the entire world. (Just an example on how smarts are not always superior to Hax, and turner is filled with hax.)
 
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Being good at math does not make you good at hidding, in fact, being good at math does not help Turner here in any way; and, yeah, as said multiple times, Turner has several haxes he could use to kill L, but he won't use them, because that's out of character for him; we've seen him deling with an unknown detective trying to find him, and he didn't use them, and he is not going to act any different here;as I said before, having hax is completely irrelevant if you don't actually use it.
 
How is L going to track something random, huh? You have done nothing but wank L by saying he could deduce everything from literally nothing.

Oh shit Kira miiight be american.

Now what?

Tell me. Now what.
 
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The deaths caused by Kira are way too convenient and out of the ordinary to be confused by regular deaths; he isn't aware of L's presence, so he isn't gonna try to hide until L makes his first move, which gives L an advantage, and even if he tries to hide, then L just has to wait until he makes a mistake, which he will, since his intelligence is average, or just think of a way to trick him into revealing himself, which shouldn't be too hard for a genius like him, specially when facing someone with average intelligence.
 
L literally started with the Lind L Tailor show in canon, so it iis reasonable to assume he would do so again in this scenario, which would tell Light that "L" is looking for him.

His intelligence is above average and does not have an ego.

His kills are 100% random and do not have a god complex agenda behind it all.

His dad could just let it slip that the police is working to find some random magic killer (Since this "Kira" does not use heart attacks, both L and the Police would have FAR, FAR less info on him and his method of killing.)


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Now, the only reason Yagami lost was because of his god complex and wanting to get closer to L and kill him.

Turner would just make his deaths even more random and common.
 

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L is smarter. If you're aiming at a game of wits, you're going to lose.

L still takes my vote.
 
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Alright, Light now knows L is looking for him, so he tries some kind of strategy to keep himself hidden... which fails miserably, since he is facing someone who is ridiculously smarter than him, to a point in which even trying to compare the two of them is laughable. L's job is to find people, and he is the best in the entire world, a random teenager with average intellect is not hidding from him for very long.

No, his intelligence is not above average when it comes to actual strategy, it is only above average in academics, which is completely useless in battle.

No, it's not 100% random, he kills criminals, in ways that are way too convenient and out of the ordinary to be confused by regular deaths; there's pretty much no way he is hidding from L, unless he just gives up and stops killing criminals, which he won't do.

If he tries to use his dad to get information, L would notice the sudden change in the killings, and know that he has acess to the police, just like it happened when Yagami did the same, which will only bring L closer to get him.

And, yeah, the god complex was one of the reasons Kira was caught, with the other ones being that he made some mistakes, which this Light will do even more, and that L is the best detective in the entire world.
 
Exept no matter how smart you are, you cannot figure out something from nothing. Without Mia pushing Turner to become Kira, he would have been untrackable.

There is no indication that would drive L to suspect any of Turner's kills, unlike Yagami. And even if L found out a pattern, he canonically would respond by doing the Lind L Tailor thing, and exposing that he is tracking Turner down.

Then Turner would just do casual deaths since he doesnt have a god complex or mind control officers into investigating L.
 
Alright, Light now knows L is looking for him, so he tries some kind of strategy to keep himself hidden... which fails miserably, since he is facing someone who is ridiculously smarter than him

lol, L has genious intelligence, but he is not Dr. Manhattan nor all knowing. So, yeah, not an argument anymore.
 

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You're saying Light is showing nothing. That is false. Nobody shows nothing. Even randomness has patterns my dude. Panic is something people can pick up on. IIRC that was a big part of the shitty Light's character points, he was largely panicked as opposed to the girl who wanted to go all in.

You saying "oh well no god complex guess L loses teehee" makes no sense. L has taken down tons of criminals. Of course he can deal with someone far less intelligent than the original Light.
 
Seriously, using "titles" like "greatest detective in the world" as argument should be outright banned, he cannot figure out something literally out of nothing.

If the police officers Light mind controls dont get him somehow, he would become paranoid anyone around him would be a spy or potential killer and would go into hiding.

Inconclusive is the best you can do here.
 
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You're still with this "from nothing" argument? Kira's deaths aren't random, he kills criminals, which creates a patern that L can follow, and even if he figures out L is going after him, and stops killing criminals (which would be out of character for him), then L would notice the change, which would give him another clue.
 
Hell, it is 100% in character for turner to mind control people into finding names.

What will L do once he realizes anyone can be instantly turned into a perfect Spy looking for his name?

Its not just Turner, its Turner and his mind slave army.
 

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He doesn't have to, Light is not above psyche profiling.

Your argument absolutely hinges on L being unable to profile Light, which is one of the most ridiculous things in the world considering he accurately profiled a person many tiers smarter who was actively working against him.

L wins.
 
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If Light tries to mind control the police to investigate, all this will do is let L know that he can mind control people, giving him another clue, since not even the police knows who L really is.
 
Yeah, but would still make L paranoid about anyone around him could be turned into a mind slave without warning and would go into hiding, as simple as that.

And psyche profiling? Not only that has never been even mentioned on the canon anime, there is no way to profile someone thru someone else, specially someone directly indicated to look for his name.
 
Thing is, Turner is not dumb. L is in such a disadvantage its not even funny.

Stop wanking L, seriously. He got shinigami'd and fooled by Yagami multiple times. Turner's lack of a god complex and random kills will make tracking him down impossible without serious prep time. And L using the Lind L Tailor shit in canon would just out him into an even worse situation.

Inconclusive is the best you can hope as long L doesnt have his name revealed.
 

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oh boy.

1. Yes, it is, it just isn't ever called that. L profiles people all the time.

2. No, but he can do it through actions.

3. L has a better chance of killing Light than Light does of finding out L's name.

4. What even is that point about paranoia lol. L worked through the country turning everything around and praising Light as a god.

L wins.
 
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And what difference would that make, exactly? L already hides from pretty much everyone, "anyone can be a slave" makes really no difference, except that now L knows Light can mind control people.
 

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Thing is, Turner is not dumb.
L is in such a disadvantage its not even funny.

Stop wanking L, seriously. He got shinigami'd and fooled by Yagami multiple times. Turner's lack of a god complex and random kills will make tracking him down impossible without serious prep time. And L using the Lind L Tailor shit in canon would just out him into an even worse situation.

Inconclusive is the best you can hope as long L doesnt have his name revealed.
You're wrong. You are in fact massively overplaying Light. Light is a slightly above average intelligence kid. L is trained to take down people like him for breakfast. Light has no way of harming L without knowing his name.

You hinge everything on "oh well no god complex" but that isn't how psychology works, literally everything can be examined about Light, and if someone can do that, it is L.

L takes it 8/10.
 
Light can also threaten the world by making messages with victims if he feels pressured to, and the entire world would instantly go against L and demand his name and face to be revealed for their safety. (Specially since they can be mind jacked at any second.)
 

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Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
Light can also threaten the world by making messages with victims if he feels pressured to, and the entire world would instantly go against L and demand his name and face to be revealed for their safety. (Specially since they can be mind jacked at any second.)
Yes. That happened to people that were considered secondary to L.

And yet they still won. Curious, isn't it.
 
Another thing that is worth noting is that everyone fucking loved Kira in the netflix movie exept the police.

That one kira followed utterly beat up L when he implied Turner was Kira.

So it is fair to assume Turner could also turn the entire world against L as long he keeps up his cinnamon roll pureness.


This is not only Turner vs L, this is Turner, his mind slaves and the entire world against L.

The moment L or watari dare come out of hiding to pursue Turner with literally no resources, Turner could just easly let the people do the work.
 
And, it does, because you think L is all knowing or able to figure out stuff from random, disconected deaths.

And "greatest detective" is just a title. You are no better than the people that say Palutena kills everyine in Smash Bros because she is a "Goddess". Using titles is NOT an argument, you have to deal with the fact that L canonically goes for the Lind L Tailor shit from the getgo and that he would be forced into hiding and turned into a public enemy to the point people try to kill whoever that is even implied to be him.

Its over.
 
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That's not comparable, like, at all; L got the title of "best detective in the world" because he proved himself to be the best, by solving cases that were seemingly impossible to be solved, which is a great intelligence feat, while the characters who have the title of "God" just have it because they're from a certain species; in fact, I have literally no idea why you're bringing up Palutena when her case is completely different from L in ever possible way.
 

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oof. I love arguments that basically say "hey yur wrong just accept it", it smells of pomposity. Anyhoo.

As said above, you're wrong. Blatantly so. Netflix L is much different (for the worse) than Anime L. Anime L is the greatest detective in the world (and yes, that is an argument because we can actually size it up, please refrain from the massive insults, really doesn't suit you). L outsmarted the world's criminals over and over again without ever revealing his name or face. These are criminals vastly superior to Turner.

You presenting how you'd like it to go is headcanon, nothing more. Objectively speaking, L wins based on sheer intelligence. He has played people far better than Turner and won. He has played people with the same abilities and better intelligence and stalemated for ages.

L takes it in my book. Open and closed.
 
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Not to mention that Kira's deaths aren't disconnected or random in any way; he specifically kills criminals, which he finds on the internet, this alone is more than enough for L to follow him, and if he notices that L is doing that and changes the pattern, then the sudden change just gave L yet another clue.
 
They literally are. He kills criminals from around the world frlm the get go. And it is debatable if he would even fall for Lind L Tailor since he is international feom the start.

Sorry, but this is a cleae cut witn for Light.
 

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So he has a pattern.

Oof. No it isn't. You can vote for him, but imo L takes it with ridiculous ease.
 
Seriously, stop wanking L and actually explain what he would do when he would be overwhelmed by the entire world going against him or anyone becoming a potential mind slave without warning.

You are just wanking and not actually argumenting people

If anything, it sounds like a recording machine repeating the same thing over and over "L is smarter Hax doesnt matter gg lol"
 

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Alright, then I beg you please stop wanking Light lol. I'm presenting you with facts and you are getting upset because the person you want to win is losing. I am trying to not be rude based on the fact that you continue to call all opposing you wankers.

Light has a better method of killing, that's true.

L has intelligence and the physical advantage. By intelligence, I mean by literal buckets. Hax doesn't matter if it can't be used. Light needs a surname. L has given no surname.

I'm going to disregard your arguments if you cannot remain objective. Please calm down and think.
 
Yeah, like i said earlier. I suppose L kills Seiya because he is smarter.

Sorry, but L cannot do anything if the entire world literally doesnt want him to find kira, or any help could end up in him being spied upon.
 
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Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
Yeah, like i said earlier.
I suppose L kills Seiya because he is smarter.
L could totally find Seiya if Seiya tried to hide from him, but when L found Seiya, there's not much L could do to actually beat him; Light, on the other hand, can easily be captured once L finds him.
 
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