Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka - Splinting the Profiles

[Zaratthustra]

Hello and welcome to this very special occasion, the splitting of the profiles since Composite profiles were nuked.

First of all, I want to say that this was coming from afar since the current profiles are a galvanization of WN, LN and Manga.

The WN is a draft that stopped being released temporarily as the author works on the LN which scrapped and changed somethings to make it "smoother". With each volume, the LN started to differ more and more and with volume 4, things got radical changed.

Some spoilers incoming but this can't be avoided.

• In WN, Kumoko attacks the armies of the two countries ― Sariera and Outsu without interference from anyone and uses them to evolve to Arachne species while in LN she is interrupted by Ariel who with the help of Gyuri, make Kumoko to evolve.

• In WN, Ariel propose a truce between her and Kumoko after she realizes the power difference between them while in LN she does that after finding Kumoko can't be killed thanks to her "eggs".

• Kumo acquires Panoptic Vision on LN to help her use the Evil Eyes while in WN this ability doesn't exist.

• Kumo acquires others Evil Eyes in LN (Ex.Seal Devil Eye) while in WN this doesn't exist.

• Shiro kills Natsume in LN while in WN, Wrath does the job.

There are more but I'm sure a part of you known. So, plot keys are different, abilities are different or new, evolution is even different, thus a split is needed. Now, since the split reason is said, I can go to the next point. The new profiles for the Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka verse. This revision covers only the profiles for WN since I haven't read yet the entire LN.

"First step is always the hardest" thus I will start directly with Kumoko's profile. Her current profile has only two keys ― Arachne and God, no earlier key like: Small Lesser Taratect, Small Taratect, etc. It has just her two final "forms/evolution".

Kumoko New Profile - sandbox/sheet.

Note 1: I will post just Kumoko profile and after we finish, we'll go to other characters since for them it will be a lot time easier.

Note 2: The tiers/range will be discussed in this thread. Also, the first two are the single calculation that I've done now since I need to do two more "Environmental destruction via Abyss Magic" and "Busting Mountain and altering the land" will be done later.

Note 3: The profile that I remade is just a "sandbox", a sheet that can be altered and changed as we debate and suggestions are made.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

With the new composite rules, the idea is fine.

Not sure about tiering or how precise the stuff is tough.

 

[DontTalkDT]

As it stands LN version is for the most part an extention of the WN version (Power & Ability wise; though for the most part also plot wise), which is why I would be leaving them together.

Primary, Secondary and Tertiary canon and all that. Unless it turns out that certain abilities from the WN aren't going to be acquired in the LN/Manga canon I would leave the page as is.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The OP outlined places where the two's plot diverges though?

 

[Zaratthustra]

The WN is draft for LN where things are changed - abilites, stories, plot keys, etc.

The author even said that WN and LN will have different endings.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Don't read the LN so don't know the changes but if there are major changes, the profiles should be split.

Slime was the same, there is the same basic plot of both the LN and WN which is somewhat the same, but the LN has expanded on it massively, and stuff is changed.

This is different from Re:Zero where the story and mostly everything is the same in the Ln and WN, but minor stuff is added or changed here and there.

 

[DontTalkDT]

We are basically talking about extentions of the plot.

Like: In LN Kumoko and Ariel make peace, then do some travelling and then Kumoko becomes god.

In the WN Kumoko becomes god, then Ariel and her make peace and then they travel (with less detail).

At least to this point all things ultimately end up the same.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Well, if people want to split: Current version - god key = LN version (Might need to rewrite some ability descriptions).

The pages version from 3. September = WN version (with maybe some minor additions I did in the meantime)

 

[Zaratthustra]

There are new characters in LN (not just stated in name) like Fei. In WN, Mother Taratect just stays in the Dungeon while in LN she fights - the feat of the manga which is used for tier while in WN this doesn;t happen.

Hugo dies in the WN, curb-stomped by Wrath, and this is a huge difference.

There are added details and new perspectives in LN.

The current profile has abilities from both WN and LN, and uses calculations from Manga (first feat), while second is from LN. With Composite profiles nuked, the first feat is null (since its manga but the profile is more LN).

 

[DontTalkDT]

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Fine we split them. Somebody got to check whether all the skills from a LN perspective then.


We allow tertiary canon for scaling, so the calcs hold as long as the feats happen. So the WN version changes to 3. september version, the LN version stays the same as now. (Aside from the god key being deleted)

 

[Zaratthustra]

I've made the profile for Kumoko from WN perspective (Link is in OP), without Tiers/range yet, well excluding first two keys which I've done two short calculations but like I said in Note 2 - all its up to debate be them skills, abilities, tiers.

 

[DontTalkDT]

This is the current WN version. I'm against adding all the explanations you have in the P&A section. Makes things absolutely terrible to read.


Personally I'm also not a friend of making 50 keys for all the evolutions, but I'm not stopping you as long as you do them properly.

That said, I'm against the speed / AP by size method. It's questionable in general and for Kumo desu ga complete nonsense, since stats dictate everything.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Your link I think is broken since it "links" me to 9vc site.

I think the explaination makes sense as it helps the reader of profile understand from where all these abilties comes from.

It's not 50 keys, just 8 keys - each for one evolution.

Like I said, all tiers with calculations are up to debate and are there just provisory.

 

[DontTalkDT]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kumoko?oldid=5142904 <--- working link.

No, for details of abilities the Notable Attack & Techniques section is used. What you are doing is terrible design. Nobody wants to read that. We literally had a large debate about how terrible that is before. No large amounts of explanations in the P&A section.

Intentional hyperbole.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Started splitting the profile. Going to reset Sophia, Wrath & Kuro back to their WN versions for now.

 

[Zaratthustra]

It's not a terible design, it's a more expanded one which I'm sure a part of the user agree. With each evolution, her level of skills increases and are more potent, even having more abilities (example: Shadow magic or Appraisal).

I find nothing wrong to add each key (evolution) as it plays a major part in her "How to become a God in 1 year Plan". She stayed in each evolution enough time to warrant a Key, with the exception of Arachne which is even less than first key (just from the end of chapter 186 to chapter 200).

 

[DontTalkDT]

Do I really have to find the thread about long P&A sections being awful to read and people wanting to change those? Put explanations in the Notable A&T or feats section. The P&A isn't made for those.


Pretty sure only 3 or 4 have in practice different stats. As said, I ain't stopping you from adding them, provided you do them properly. I.e. without stats by size.

 

[Slacjow]

Can we use manga feats?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Can we use manga feats?

Yes. As long as the same feats happen in the novels.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Either the thead is not accepted as 98% of profiles made in the last several months since even now if you go on profile activity, you'll see the characters having "explaination in P&A", or people ignore it.

Also, 3-4 different stats matter since that was enough for Kumoko to win or lose a battle.

They are done correctly (just that the P&A are longer) which I don't find annoying but complementary.

@Slacjow, Manga feats are usable but in a different profile as Composite are nuked.

 

[DontTalkDT]

It's a quality thing. Quality things aren't enforced, but it's still better to do them. The thread was in fact accepted.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Manga is secondary canon to the LN, since they aee adaptations of it, assuming the story and feats are the same.

Manga feats are fine for the LN profiles.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Like I said here, yes for LN its good since the manga is after it, just that it skips all Short Stories and focuses on Kumoko.

The profile is done with quality otherwise I wouldn't have stayed so much time to get on each evolution the level of skills it had. They are done correctly just that it makes the key "longer" more exactly Zoa Era, Ede Saine and Zana Horowa keys.

A simple reversion also doesn't help since they don't have calculation, a Mountain busting feat is actually 7-B if no size is said (since it need a medium to large mountain for 7-A).

 

[Slacjow]

So far in the manga Queen Taratekt's Energy Attacks have been shown to vaporize things,literally all her blasts vaporize,from biggest to smallest ones.

If she is satated to be able to blow up a mountain wouldn't it be safe to assume vaporization?I only read manga.

 

[DontTalkDT]

A simple reversion also doesn't help since they don't have calculation, a Mountain busting feat is actually 7-B if no size is said (since it need a medium to large mountain for 7-A).

The only mountains mentioned in the WN are snow tipped. I should mention that on the page.

The profile is done with quality otherwise I wouldn't have stayed so much time to get on each evolution the level of skills it had. They are done correctly just that it makes the key "longer" more exactly Zoa Era, Ede Saine and Zana Horowa keys.

Put the infos in the feats or Notable A&T section. That's all I want from you.

A note behind every single ability makes it hard to read and clashes with the purpose of being a simple overview of general powers. I think I have demonstrated sufficiently that we do in fact try to have short P&A sections. I veto your edit on that.

 

[InfiniteSped]

If anything, people complain when the ability is not explained in the P&A.

 

[DontTalkDT]

If anything, people complain when the ability is not explained in the P&A.

Nah. People complain if the ability is not explained at all. The abilities are all explained in great length, just not in the P&A, since explanations don't belong there.