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Its about time someone did this.


Regarding Magolor's "galaxies", the galaxies are literally just an aestetic, they are way too small and it is ridiculiously unfair to just be like "WELP THEY LOOK LIKE EM HES MULTI-GALAXY GG"


Also, the parallel dimension? Yeah not a universe. Simply put, there is literally no proof whatsoever that it is a universe. Like there is none. Bending space isn't universal either, thats just hax.


"Yeah well, Dark Nebula blew up multiple solar systems!"


Nope. That could just be a mere background change, him teleporting to another battlefield, etc


Also, read this: http://mythkirby3.deviantart.com/journal/Kirby-s-Actual-Power-587151298
 

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Another Dimension seems to more likely than not be a universe. Numerous stars are seen in the background, and the fight seems to take place near a supermassive black hole, which would imply it is at the very least a galaxy. However, this is of course only the tiny portion that we see, and much more is scrolled past when chasing Magolor. Not to mention when he's defeated, the fabric of the entire dimension collapses. Obviously, this scales to literally no one but Magolor, though.

On the other hand, I have no idea why Kirby is scaled from the Dark Nebula thing. I thought it was completely agreed we cannot use backgrounds of boss fights as proof of AP due to being unreliable.
 

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Iirc, it's because of the other feats putting SS levels, along with it being a complete background change after an energy wave I think. Also, I never heard the background rule before.
 

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But the Knights were upgraded though iirc. And it was because of Dante's contradicting feats. Anyway, I see.
 

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Huh. Well, anyway, Fastswird could give a better explanation at MSS Kirby than I could. He's at the very least SS from scaling to Claycia.
 

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Fastsword88 had a long discussion with us about this upgrade. And we don't have any set regulations about this. We tend to evaluate on a case-by-case basis.
 

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Something I have a problem with there is the logic used for Dark Nebula being legit MSS+ (which I'm not saying he isn't but more proof would be nice) is that Lumine performed a similar feat which was deemed legit, so Dark Nebula's should be, as well. However, the reason Lumine's was deemed to be legitimate was because not only did he create the pocket universe containing a star which he destroyed, but there's also the fact that, when he destroys it with his final attack, it actually affects the game. If he is not beaten very soon (as in, under a minute soon), the realm itself will completely collapse from being hit with his attack, so it's not just a pretty background effect. Dark Nebula's awakening (which isn't an attack) only seems to affect the background.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Another Dimension seems to more likely than not be a universe. Numerous stars are seen in the background, and the fight seems to take place near a supermassive black hole, which would imply it is at the very least a galaxy. However, this is of course only the tiny portion that we see, and much more is scrolled past when chasing Magolor. Not to mention when he's defeated, the fabric of the entire dimension collapses. Obviously, this scales to literally no one but Magolor, though.
On the other hand, I have no idea why Kirby is scaled from the Dark Nebula thing. I thought it was completely agreed we cannot use backgrounds of boss fights as proof of AP due to being unreliable.
That is a background and also, there are no galaxies in the background other than the ones on the floor of the fight which is more than likely an aesthetic


Also, theres no proof of him causing the collapse regularly, that could just be a suicide move (which is more likely, considering the Master Crown is considred too powerful for him, going off of in-game descriptions)
 
Kirby never destroyed Magolor's world? Wtf. He did it. Not directly, yeah, but he still did it. And we don't know if the dimentional collapse would make him dead. Magolor survived in his base form... We know Kirby is more powerful than Magolor Soul, his final form, so... And the background? Cute aesthetics? Maybe, but that galaxies still exist. So Another Dimention is universal. Btw i don't believe Magolor is an outlier. We don't know the real Kirby's timeline. We just know RBaY! It's at the beginning. About the black hole: First off, there is no proof it isn't a black hole. And if it isn't... Well, Schwartz. And about the popon, do you know what about he has done? It's completely impossibile in real life to throw anything FTL. I think Kirby is like Superman: a character born to do the impossibile, without limits.
 
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Kirby never destroyed Magolor's world? Wtf. He did it. Not directly, yeah, but he still did it. And we don't know if the dimentional collapse would make him dead. Magolor survived in his base form... We know Kirby is more powerful than Magolor Soul, his final form, so... And the background? Cute aesthetics? Maybe, but that galaxies still exist. So Another Dimention is universal. Btw i don't believe Magolor is an outlier. We don't know the real Kirby's timeline. We just know RBaY! It's at the beginning. About the black hole: First off, there is no proof it isn't a black hole. And if it isn't... Well, Schwartz. And about the popon, do you know what about he has done? It's completely impossibile in real life to throw anything FTL. I think Kirby is like Superman: a character born to do the impossibile, without limits.
If a galaxy is smaller than my feet, its not a galaxy at all. Throwing Popon at FTL speeds is not even close to planet level so I don't know why we mentioned that. Kirby had to be saved by Landia to escape Another Dimension's collapse
 

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Well, let's wait a while for Fastsword88 to reply in any case.
 
Mordecai Noximilién Mertens said:
I think Kirby is like Superman: a character born to do the impossibile, without limits.
Also, neither Supes or Kirby are limitless otherwise they would be undamagable by all of their enemies
 

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ZeroHour666 said:
That is a background and also, there are no galaxies in the background other than the ones on the floor of the fight which is more than likely an aesthetic


Also, theres no proof of him causing the collapse regularly, that could just be a suicide move (which is more likely, considering the Master Crown is considred too powerful for him, going off of in-game descriptions)
It's not just a pretty background you are sent to randomly, though. It's an actual area you travel to, in game. It's not like when you're fighting a final boss in an RPG and the pattern of the background randomly shifts to a starry sky. It's the place they're actually fighting in. You even see Kirby falling towards the black hole in the cutscene immediately before the battle. I also don't think I mentioned the galaxies?

Yes, the Master Crown is too powerful for him, but Magolor Soul is just the Crown using Magolor as a vessel. I'm also pretty sure that even as a suicide move, it would scale to him. A heavily wounded, dying Magolor Soul should logically not be able to bring as much power to bear as he can at full health.
 
"If a galaxy is smaller than my feet, its not a galaxy at all."

They've flown in the space MFTL...

"Throwing Popon at FTL speeds is not even close to planet level so I don't know why we mentioned that."

Do you know what are you talking about?

"Kirby had to be saved by Landia to escape Another Dimension's collapse"

Only because he can't use teleport or portals.
 

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I personally disagree. As Azathoth pointed out, it's not just some random change for the sake of atmosphere. It's even within the cinematic cutscene and you can see Popstar within the background being overtaken by Magalor. Not to mention the entire realm(I believe we still aren't allowed to refer them as dimensions for terminology reasons) has collaspe after the crown have been ceased. The ratings stays.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
ZeroHour666 said:
That is a background and also, there are no galaxies in the background other than the ones on the floor of the fight which is more than likely an aesthetic


Also, theres no proof of him causing the collapse regularly, that could just be a suicide move (which is more likely, considering the Master Crown is considred too powerful for him, going off of in-game descriptions)
It's not just a pretty background you are sent to randomly, though. It's an actual area you travel to, in game. It's not like when you're fighting a final boss in an RPG and the pattern of the background randomly shifts to a starry sky. It's the place they're actually fighting in. You even see Kirby falling towards the black hole in the cutscene immediately before the battle. I also don't think I mentioned the galaxies?
Yes, the Master Crown is too powerful for him, but Magolor Soul is just the Crown using Magolor as a vessel. I'm also pretty sure that even as a suicide move, it would scale to him. A heavily wounded, dying Magolor Soul should logically not be able to bring as much power to bear as he can at full health.
The galaxies are still nothing more than a pretty pattern on the floor, I have no clue how this is flying over everyone's head, its obvious. You have no proof that it is millions of lightyears across. Let alone even a lightminute or lighthour and so on and so forth. Just because it looks like one doesn't instantly make it one. By this logic, we should upgrade DK to moon level since - despite his moon being small - its still a moon technically
 
Mordecai Noximilién Mertens said:
"If a galaxy is smaller than my feet, its not a galaxy at all."
They've flown in the space MFTL...

"Throwing Popon at FTL speeds is not even close to planet level so I don't know why we mentioned that."

Do you know what are you talking about?

"Kirby had to be saved by Landia to escape Another Dimension's collapse"

Only because he can't use teleport or portals.
1. No, they haven't

2. Yes because that's right, FTL KE isn't a thing

3. He would've just followed the Lor Starcutter out then until it made a portal, not fly on Landia

Also, there is no proof they flew across all of Another Dimension and no you cant use the excuse of "THERES NO PROOF THEY DIDNT"
 

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1. Super Star. They flew from galaxy's end to Pop Star in seconds

2. You're right

3. Regardless, Kirby scales to Landia for defeating a more powerful version of it. And Kirby's flight speed is nothing compared to Landia's without the warp star. Remember that Kirby had his friends with him.

4. You're right. They didn't fly across all of it. Just multiple star systems or galaxies with seemingly no end, which further proves universal Magolor.
 
The real cal howard said:
1. Super Star. They flew from galaxy's end to Pop Star in seconds
2. You're right

3. Regardless, Kirby scales to Landia for defeating a more powerful version of it. And Kirby's flight speed is nothing compared to Landia's without the warp star. Remember that Kirby had his friends with him.

4. You're right. They didn't fly across all of it. Just multiple star systems or galaxies with seemingly no end, which further proves universal Magolor.
1. Proof

3. Magolor is way more powerful than Landia. Even with the Master Crown, Magolor with it trumps Landia in every possible way easily. Also, you can't just assume Kirby could fly out with his Warp Star despite not having it

4. Again, prove the galaxies are millions of lightyears across despite being outrageously small, there are no star systems inside of the dimension either


Boy the desperate Kirby wank is pretty strong today
 

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1. Give me a second. I'm on my phone.

3. Proof. And not only didn't I assume, as I said that only the warp star was as fast as Landia, Kirby can summon the warpstar from himself.

4. Distance. Is. A. Thing. We can't even see galaxies from earth. Guess they must be microscopic.

Don't be rude. You're the only one against universal Magolor in this thread.
 
"Kirby can summon the warpstar from himself."


Okay, then why didn't he just summon it and fly out of there on it with his friends (Which he can do:
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"Distance. Is. A. Thing. We can't even see galaxies from earth. Guess they must be microscopic."


You still have absolutely no evidence of their size whatsoever. There are a floor pattern, there is no sugarcoating it, that is something made for coolness. They are incredibly small and they clearly aren't in the distance otherwise that wouldn't be the floor.
 

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Neither do you. You brought it up. The burden of proof is on you.

For the warpstar thing, see Kirby's Dream Land 3. (Or 2). Also, Kirby can't summon portals. He was stuck until Landia and the Lor Starcutter appeared.
 
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Neither do you. You brought it up. The burden of proof is on you.
For the warpstar thing, see Kirby's Dream Land 3. (Or 2). Also, Kirby can't summon portals. He was stuck until Landia and the Lor Starcutter appeared.
"Yeah well you dont have proof of them NOT being millions of lightyears across!"

What kind of argument is that? I have used evidence, they are a pattern on the floor

Yeah I know he can do that but if his Warp Star was as fast, he still could've summoned his Star and flown with Landia as the Lor Starcutter opened the portal - hell, in an earlier fight, he uses Landia to fight the evil Lor Starcutter rather than hitch a ride on his Warp Star which is supposedly faster
 

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You didn't use evidence on the pattern, besides saying he can walk over it, even though he had some weird circle thing around it, and again, you have the burden of proof.

The warpstar isn't useful for battle (it gets shot down easy) without becoming the starship cannon, and there's only one (without other Kirbies).

How many fictions were upgraded with just words alone? Let's see, Bayonetta, The Legend of Zelda, Asura's Wrath, Dragon Ball... Shall I continue?

Plot is a thing for Landia and the warpstar.
 
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You didn't use evidence on the pattern, besides saying he can walk over it, even though he had some weird circle thing around it, and again, you have the burden of proof.
The warpstar isn't useful for battle (it gets shot down easy) without becoming the starship cannon, and there's only one (without other Kirbies).

How many fictions were upgraded with just words alone? Let's see, Bayonetta, The Legend of Zelda, Asura's Wrath, Dragon Ball... Shall I continue?

Plot is a thing for Landia and the warpstar.
For pete's sake, dude, let me tell you again. It is just a floor pattern and there is no sugarcoating that, Kirby does weird floor patterns all the time. You still haven't shown why it should be millions of lightyears across. You still haven't shown me why a floor pattern - that is obviously meant to be an aesthetic - is going to make Kirbyverse multi-galaxy

https://i.gyazo.com/6b09d23079733066152ca9a22d4f8fd0.png
Heres a weird floor pattern from Kirby speaking of.

You still have not shown proof of Landia being slower

Except those fictions at the very least didn't use pause screen text - which is hyperbole as hell - to get upgraded

tfw you still got no proof of Landia being slower
 
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ZeroHour666, how large do you think "Another Dimension" is ? I better not hear something like "only planet-sized" because even at the speeds Kirby & co. were going (speeds that allow Kirby characters to fly across star sysems in seconds), they kept flying through the dimension for long periods of time without ever reaching it's "end".

Here are a few things the "dimension" contains that you can notice in this clip : Faraway constellations (white dots almost everywhere in the background), closer stars (the big red ones), and nebulas (those random colorful "clouds" you can see. Nebulas can be 100s of light years large).

"Another Dimension has an unknown size" isn't gonna fly anymore.

Trivia : Magolor's home planet exists in this "dimension".
 
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ZeroHour666, how large do you think "Another Dimension" is ? I better not hear something like "only planet-sized" because even at the speeds Kirby & co. were going (speeds that allow Kirby characters to fly across star sysems in seconds), they kept flying through the dimension for long periods of time without ever reaching it's "end".

Here are a few things the "dimension" contains that you can notice in this clip : Faraway constellations (white dots almost everywhere in the background), closer stars (the big red ones), and nebulas (those random colorful "clouds" you can see. Nebulas can be 100s of light years large).

"Another Dimension has an unknown size" isn't gonna fly anymore.

Trivia : Magolor's home planet exists in this "dimension".
I see nothing indicating its a planet.

What constellations? I see no such thing. I see no nebulas either.

It is going to though and you didn't really prove its universal either, even if all you said was true. That'd just make it solar system-ish.

https://youtu.be/ZaAPxazD1yg?t=8m13s

He then opens the portal to go to Pop Star... and no, you can't just say "Well he said hes a THREAT TO THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE" since:

A) He was clearly going through a power fetish and being arrogant

B) That could mean he was just going to rule over it or nobody in the universe could compete with him
 

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The wiki regulations exist to avoid the overall deterioration of a polite, hospitable atmosphere. If people start to constantly insult and be highly disrespectful towards one another, this would turn the work of the wiki staff far harder to manage.

In addition, as far as I understand, Wikia itself has standardss for this. After all, this is a wiki, not a regular Internet message board.

Thus, we are not going to modify the regulations, and I would appreciate if you would adapt to the policy. Thank you.
 
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The wiki regulations exist to avoid the overall deterioration of a polite, hospitable atmosphere. If people start to constantly insult and be highly disrespectful towards one another, this would turn the work of the wiki staff far harder to manage.
In addition, as far as I understand, Wikia itself has standardss for this. After all, this is a wiki, not a regular Internet message board.

Thus, we are not going to modify the regulations, and I would appreciate if you would adapt to the policy. Thank you.
This is a wiki where people debate who wins between serial killers, dudes who run their mouth like its nothing and harem Gods like Dark Schneider. Cursing is something people just do on the internet, there is no need for such a petty rule against it
 

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I disagree about your assessment of the current climate within this wiki, and as I explained, there very much is a need for this to make the wiki somewhat manageable for the staff. There is no "petty" intention behind it. You can either adapt, or leave and go somewhere else.
 
Anyway, this isn't the first time Kirby gets "saved" uselessly. In Triple Deluxe, after Sectonia's death, he falls in the sky, then gets saved by the Sky's Inhabitants. Although he could just fly.
 
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