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Okay, so we are all aware that there´s an specific rule for this series that say the following:
"Given that most of the Disney characters (such as those from Tarzan, The Lion King, Peter Pan, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pirates of the Caribbean, or The Nightmare Before Christmas) were strictly displayed at power levels close to those within their original movies when in the home "worlds", it is assumed that travellers between them, such as Sora, are automatically scaled in relation to the story that they are transported to, in order not to overwhelm and break it. In addition, it would also lead to them being very inconsistent with what they've shown in their respective movies as just because they fought alongside or against Sora and the others doesn't mean that they are automatically scaled to 4-C and Massively FTL+.
For this reason we cannot properly scale the characters within those fictions to Sora or other keyblade wielder displayed at their peaks, unless they have broken free from the constraints of their own stories and are travelling the worlds freely, such as is the case with Pete and Maleficent or King Mickey, Donald and Goofy." - The verse page
However, there´s some issues with this:
- All of the examples "Tarzan, The Lion King, Peter Pan, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pirates of the Caribbean, or The Nightmare Before Christmas", have characters with noticeably different capabilities from the mainstream one via having unique powers (except The Hunchback of Notre Dame, which just lacks feats to get profiles for anyways), as we can see, for example, with the current profiles for Simba, Stitch, Ariel, Peter Pa, and most notably Woody and Buzz I´ve made, which have been respectively approved via either being able to come out from their respective world as a Summon (Simba, Stitch, Ariel, Peter Pan...) and/or holding unique powers and even a separate storyline from the "main" one that can justify the ratings (Woody, Buzz)
- More importantly, per the Alternative Canon and Composite Profiles page, "The key issue overall is notability/relevance. If a spin-off version of a character is very popular, prominent, and distinctive from the original, with a sufficient number of feats or descriptions to scale from, it can generally be featured."
We know that, for example, everyone that has been able to do anything noteworthy to any Keyblade user on the series was always a relevant character for the most part, which has often shown its own unique powers (Peter Pa can Time Stop opponents, Jack Skellinton can crush opponents with Gravity, Jack Sparrow can summon a magnetic orb from a chest, Tarzan can use magic, Simba can emit blasts of light, and the list goes on), and there´s how in KH basically everyone is abstract thanks to the heart, so they are pretty different, leading into calling it an "outlier" for just interacting with Sora and not crumbling to dust would be ignoring the whole context in the series of being quite separate from the main respective series of which the respective worlds may be taken from.
In a nutshell, the rule on the verse page has to be updated to also reflect the variant on the Editing Rules (Aka, not sound as strict in that because of how the whole thing goes) and use better examples for what gets a "no" per the current standards (Winnie Pooh, Elsa, etc, mainly in lack of feats to properly scale to anyone, for example)
"Given that most of the Disney characters (such as those from Tarzan, The Lion King, Peter Pan, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pirates of the Caribbean, or The Nightmare Before Christmas) were strictly displayed at power levels close to those within their original movies when in the home "worlds", it is assumed that travellers between them, such as Sora, are automatically scaled in relation to the story that they are transported to, in order not to overwhelm and break it. In addition, it would also lead to them being very inconsistent with what they've shown in their respective movies as just because they fought alongside or against Sora and the others doesn't mean that they are automatically scaled to 4-C and Massively FTL+.
For this reason we cannot properly scale the characters within those fictions to Sora or other keyblade wielder displayed at their peaks, unless they have broken free from the constraints of their own stories and are travelling the worlds freely, such as is the case with Pete and Maleficent or King Mickey, Donald and Goofy." - The verse page
However, there´s some issues with this:
- All of the examples "Tarzan, The Lion King, Peter Pan, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pirates of the Caribbean, or The Nightmare Before Christmas", have characters with noticeably different capabilities from the mainstream one via having unique powers (except The Hunchback of Notre Dame, which just lacks feats to get profiles for anyways), as we can see, for example, with the current profiles for Simba, Stitch, Ariel, Peter Pa, and most notably Woody and Buzz I´ve made, which have been respectively approved via either being able to come out from their respective world as a Summon (Simba, Stitch, Ariel, Peter Pan...) and/or holding unique powers and even a separate storyline from the "main" one that can justify the ratings (Woody, Buzz)
- More importantly, per the Alternative Canon and Composite Profiles page, "The key issue overall is notability/relevance. If a spin-off version of a character is very popular, prominent, and distinctive from the original, with a sufficient number of feats or descriptions to scale from, it can generally be featured."
We know that, for example, everyone that has been able to do anything noteworthy to any Keyblade user on the series was always a relevant character for the most part, which has often shown its own unique powers (Peter Pa can Time Stop opponents, Jack Skellinton can crush opponents with Gravity, Jack Sparrow can summon a magnetic orb from a chest, Tarzan can use magic, Simba can emit blasts of light, and the list goes on), and there´s how in KH basically everyone is abstract thanks to the heart, so they are pretty different, leading into calling it an "outlier" for just interacting with Sora and not crumbling to dust would be ignoring the whole context in the series of being quite separate from the main respective series of which the respective worlds may be taken from.
In a nutshell, the rule on the verse page has to be updated to also reflect the variant on the Editing Rules (Aka, not sound as strict in that because of how the whole thing goes) and use better examples for what gets a "no" per the current standards (Winnie Pooh, Elsa, etc, mainly in lack of feats to properly scale to anyone, for example)
