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Kamijou Touma 2nd key revision and Kamijou Touma (fake) key/profile

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I realized that the 2nd key of Kamijou Touma has the AP tiered as "at least 9c" while we have a quote of him at least pushing back an at least 9b attack and possibly hurting a 7a durability character

from nt 22 R:

" But.

Kamijou Touma ignored the tall priest at the end of the hall and instead threw a serious punch toward the wall to his side.

It was almost like both sides had matched their timing.

The thick inner wall crumbled away
as a black-ponytailed swordswoman burst through. Kanzaki Kaori's long sheath crashed into his thick claws.

"Did you use your transformed senses?"

The blow was stopped well before she had expected, so it had to have hurt as bad as swinging a bat into a concrete wall. Kanzaki grimaced a bit from the unexpected pain."

>While we do know Kanzaki was holding back the attack still destroyed the wall and her durability is not dependent on her holding back, so i suggest changing the AP to something like "at least 9b, possibly 7c-8a" as he only hurt her not really beating her

>Then we should add minor involuntary fate manipulation in the 2nd key too as Kamijou loses Imagine breaker and so the Blessing given by the Magic Gods seems to finally affect him by giving him abnormal amount of luck as he is their scorer (such as surviving attack he should have been killed by and random event giving advantage in battle)

" "There is such a thing as unavoidable destiny. There are powerful rails that cannot be overcome by an individual's decisions. But even that is ultimately nothing more than the result of an unseen clash between the opinions of Magic Gods. Of course, we have no intention of harming any specific individual. In fact, the individuals clinging to this puny planet never enter our field of vision. Still, our actions are constantly affecting the outside world and make great changes in the world. It can be quite a problem."

Talk of fortune and misfortune reminded Kamijou of the Saints in addition to himself.

One of them was so constantly dealt a lucky hand that she feared those around her would always be dealt an unlucky hand.

"That is the same," readily stated the High Priest. "It is true Saints fall on the fortunate side of things, but they had no say in being born a Saint. That means there were some larger rails in place there. The very fact that they receive that fortune as Saints was determined by that unshakeable destiny."

At that point, the mummy laughed dryly.

"Although, if we're talking about destiny, then you would be the sole exception. Thanks to your Imagine Breaker, even the vague power of us Magic Gods is uniformly leveled out. That keeps any large waves away from you alone and keeps you in constant misfortune." "


"
"Is this because you lost Imagine Breaker? The luck is most welcome, but it doesn't feel right. Relying on the people around you is fine, but at this rate, you might start to assume that people will gather around you and give you a chance."

Dion Fortune had said it was not memories that made someone who they were.

She had said it was faith and love that changed them.

But.

In that case, he had to be all the more cautious.

If his heart changed here, he would finally have nothing left to claim he was Kamijou Touma.

"Falling from the second-story balcony without getting hurt wasn't because of the changes to my body. I got lucky and escaped unscathed. Just like a baby that's just fine after falling from high up." "


"
The newspaper-dress girl screamed and the white demon wordlessly moved his hand in a slapping motion, no, a clawing motion that tore into the air.

Kamijou Touma had nothing to negate this now, so he and his chair were blasted more than five meters back.

"Avwhoabwahhh!?"

"What the hell? That actually hit you?"

The one who hit him was actually trembling.

Normally, Kamijou Touma might have had all his bones shattered as soon as he hit the floor, but he instead found himself caught hanging upside down from an artificial Christmas tree.

"D-dyoo you get it now? There'sh shomething wrong with my right hand."

Palm-sized fairy Othinus (who had skillfully kept her position atop the boy's body like a clown balancing on a ball) spoke up in extreme exasperation.

"I'm not sure you can say anything about misfortune after surviving an attack like that."

"Ah! Does not having Imagine Breaker mean no more misfortune!?" "

>Then for the second part i think a key or a profile should be made for the fake Touma that appeared as it's different enough from the original such as being able to have both Imagine Breaker and the dragon form at the same time

He would have basically the abilities of both keys at the same time and be cable of turning human as a decoy if we make new profile, if we make a key we can just add" | all abilities from the previous key at the same time ", it should be mentioned that it's not human but just an ability and has both touma personality and knowledge but lack his moral compass and figth less like a person and more like a dragon, it should be added the fact that it should hold more power than the original touma dragon shell, but we don't know by how much
 
Idk about the AP, but i disagree with limited fate (also, is there any direct quote relating he being the scorer and his luck?), and i agree with a profile for KnT/Tuxedo/Whatever.
 
at least it should be wall lvl that's for sure, if u want u can bring an argument about PIS for kanzaki getting hurt but it needs to be explained

fate manipulation is true, it's more luck than manipulation, we already knew MGs give blessing like luck and miss fortune involuntarily and IB block such blessing from touma, without IB he has full benefits even more than saint as the MGs consider touma their scorer and place him at the center of the universe (or at least they try)

as u can see in the quoted part and surviving things he normally shouldn't
 
Fake Touma wouldn't be a key of Touma, as it is a separate entity. It should get its own profile.


No to supernatural luck. Without IB Touma just can have luck at times, which is why the novel pointed at him getting lucky at times here. He can have at much luck as a normal person in that form.

The magic gods influencing fate has never been indicated to make Touma in particular lucky, but just influencing fate in general. And that doesn't even apply anymore as all the magic gods are nerfed and BFR'd so that they don't influence fate anymore at all.


For the wall thing: Kanzaki destroyed the wall, so we have no idea how much damage Toumas punch would have dealt to it. On the other hand Kanzaki's attack lost the wall level energy in destroying the wall. How much power was left in her attack after the wall was destroyed is unknown.

I disagree with scaling Touma based on inflicting a little bit of pain to a person he never injured, if the tier that indicates is that far above all other showings. Especially since, with Kanzaki holding back, it doesn't really make sense to begin with. The feedback she would get here is as strong as her own held back attack.

To that comes that Stiyl was still an issue for Touma which doesn't fit well into the idea of saint level dragon form either.
 
ok for new profile instead of key but we need to make it


actually High priest specifically said MGs try to make touma stand at the center of the world and saint still exist with their luck even if MGs are in WR dimension, so yes touma would be more blessed and yes it would still work even now, and saying that's normal luck is BS no way u can survive falling that high as an human , it's specifically stated it is cause of luck


as i said saint lvl is a possibility because she managed to hurt her durability is not dependent on holding back or not her but wall lvl should be right as she did not use her sword to destroy the wall she just charged trough as the blade is still in her sheath
 
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