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Kamen Rider Specs Revision Part 7: Kiva

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I had to make Saga, Rey and Arc's profiles and some calc requests before this so that's why it took so long.

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  • First things first, all the Kiva riders' tiers rely on the fact that kiva scales to Den-O. I don't think this should be used anymore and we should use in series feats. First feat is Kiva and Ixa destroying one of the Six Pillars of Sabbath. This is as of making this thread, not approved yet but if this was to be approved, Base Kiva/Monster Arms, Ixa and Rey would all downgrade to 8-C (Building+ level). All Kiva riders listed above will scale to 1.57 tons.
  • Second feat is Arc pulling in the moon and Kiva pushing back the moon. (This has been added since it got approved but I should announce it anyways). Emperor Kiva (base and flight style), Rising Ixa, Saga, Dark Kiva and Arc will all be upgraded to 5-A (Large Planet level). Base Arc scales to 90.6 yottatons while Emperor Kiva and Legend Arc scales to 575.7 yottatons. Everyone listed previously scales to Emperor Kiva and Legend Arc. Speed should also scale to Sub-Relativistic for all of them.
  • All Kiva riders get Resistance to Space Radiation and Heat Manipulation due to being able to survive in space.
  • Everyone scales to Dogga, who can lift a 10,000 ton hammer with ease (Class M)
  • Resistance to Existence Erasure
Kamen Rider Kiva:

Wataru:
  • Supernatural Willpower (Wataru was able to break his servitude to Kamen Rider Arc)
Base:
  • Statistics Amplification (King Breath is a demon power amplification bracelet used to amplify Kiva’s power several times. The Demon Stone Aoshi can further amplify the users of Kiva by several to several dozens of times.
  • Note for Darkness Moon Break: Darkness moon break is an attack that multiples Kiva’s AP with the Earth, Water and Sky Demon Stones by a factor of 8, 4, and 2 respectively. By the time it is performed, it’s power is more than 8 times the normal AP
  • Purification Type 1 (The Gau Crusher can purify all toxins)
  • Existence Erasure (The Darkness Moon Break is an attack that returns all substances to nothing by maximizing the amount of demon power into Kiva's leg)
  • Extrasensory Perception (Kiva can know when and where a Fangire is attacking)
  • Fear Manipulation (Kiva’s necklace makes low-level Fangires fear him)
  • Information Analysis (Kiva’s Kiva Persona lets him collect various information)
  • Self-Sustenance Type 1 (Kiva can survive in all environments including space with life-supporting organs)
  • Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Kiva was hit with 1.2 million volts of electricity but it did minimal damage)
  • Resistance to Explosion Manipulation (Kiva’s Demon Stones prevents him from exploding)
Garulu:
Dogga:
  • Upgrade to 8-B as Dogga Form (Dogga Form is 10x stronger than base Kiva)
  • Paralysis Inducement, Information Analysis and Mind Manipulation with the Dogga Hammer (Whoever is seen by the True Eye will be paralyzed. In addition, the eye can analyze the opponent’s weaknesses and memories)
  • Enhanced Senses (True Eye can see invisible enemies)
Emperor:
  • Life Manipulation (The Zanbat Sword is described as a life-sucking sword)
  • Statistics Amplification (Emperor Form can further increase his power and defense by 5 times)
  • Vibration Manipulation (Kiva Flight Style can create shockwaves by flapping his wings)
  • Existence Erasure (Kiva's demon power is maximized, creating attacks that can return all substances to nothing)
Kamen Rider Ixa:

Save Mode:
Burst Mode:
Rising:
  • Statistic Amplification (The Rising Armor can release a substance called the Guardian Cobalt which strengthens the suit by 30%)
  • Fire Manipulation (Ixalizer has a flamethrower mode)
  • Ice Manipulation (Ixalizer can fire freezing gas)
  • Information Analysis (Ixalizer can analyze enemies)
  • Light Manipulation (Ixalizer can create laser nets to trap opponents)
  • Stamina (The time limit for Ixa has been removed. Energy is constantly generated to Ixa)
  • Damage Reduction (An invisible barrier that mitigates damage to the utmost limit is located on Ixa’s head)
Kamen Rider Saga:
  • Existence Erasure (Saga's demon power can be increase to the point where it is stronger than Kiva's demon power, creating attacks that can return all substances to nothing)
Kamen Rider Dark Kiva:
  • Existence Erasure (Dark Kiva's demon power can be increased in several ways, creating attacks that can return all substances to nothing)
Kamen Rider Legend Arc:
  • Existence Erasure (Legend Arc's demon power can be increased in several ways, creating attacks that can return all substances to nothing)
 
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Dark kiva king world end lead the world to ruin, can it count as 5B feat?(just asked)🤔
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Hmm might be a bit too vague. But it is possible since High 5-A feats are a thing. But the wording could just mean life-wipe or something like thaf
 
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Agree with everything but Mid-Low regen is combat applicable, so Garulu’s regen span of 12 hours will be only Low Regen
 
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Probally should change Kiva's EE describtion. It make it sound like DMB is the only finisher that can erase matter, but it was only able to erase matter because of the large amount of the concentrated Demonic Energy. So any attacks that hold the same amount of output demonic energy (any of Kiva finishers and Emperor's normal attacks) should be able to perform the same feat.

EDIT : other than that, they all look good
 
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I would like to make a small proposal, if you don't mind: Remove Resistance Negation from Kiva's profile.

Why you ask? Here is the actual context from Garulu Saber page:

  • Wolfen Blade (ウルフェンブレード, Urufen Burēdo) - Garulu's fangs transformed into a blade. It is covered with a thick iron plate that can damage objects without feeling resistance.
This isn't resistance negs by any mean, it just describe the sharpness of the sword instead.
 
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Probally should change Kiva's EE describtion. It make it sound like DMB is the only finisher that can erase matter, but it was only able to erase matter because of the large amount of the concentrated Demonic Energy. So any attacks that hold the same amount of output demonic energy (any of Kiva finishers and Emperor's normal attacks) should be able to perform the same feat.

EDIT : other than that, they all look good
Wait, that would mean that normal attacks from Saga and Dark Kiva can EE because they release the same amount of demon power as an amped up Kiva.

Edit: This goes for all of Kiva's finishers too
 
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I would like to make a small proposal, if you don't mind: Remove Resistance Negation from Kiva's profile.

Why you ask? Here is the actual context from Garulu Saber page:

  • Wolfen Blade (ウルフェンブレード, Urufen Burēdo) - Garulu's fangs transformed into a blade. It is covered with a thick iron plate that can damage objects without feeling resistance.
This isn't resistance negs by any mean, it just describe the sharpness of the sword instead.
Ok, we could remove that.
 
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Wait, that would mean that normal attacks from Saga and Dark Kiva can EE because they release the same amount of demon power as an amped up Kiva.

Edit: This goes for all of Kiva's finishers too

This isnt anything weird at all. The stronger output of demonic power finishers from the higher tier fangire like the Checkmate Four (and normal attacks too, in the case of Bishop) can goes beyond erasing matter and outright erasing the souls.
 
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So basically everyone have a degree of resistance to EE in some way correct? Neat.

Also should everyone have their soul destruction? Ixa have that since he can destroy Fangire soul
 
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Everyone should have soul destruction already. Also, who has been hit with Kiva's sword before? That could give them res to life manip.
 
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So basically everyone have a degree of resistance to EE in some way correct? Neat.
Yes, pretty much.
Everyone should have soul destruction already. Also, who has been hit with Kiva's sword before? That could give them res to life manip.
Kiva only used it to kill goons. The sword is too powerful to uses to fight any important characters, it would straight up one-shot them. So far, the only person who survived Zanbat Sword is.... Another Zi-O
 
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Sorry that it took so long but I'm nearly done with Kiva, but I ran to something interesting. So, we know that Emperor Kiva has been calced to 575.7 YottaTons (5-A), now Kiva has a lot of multipliers. Dogga form multiplies the user's strength by 10x and we know the Imperial Armor multiplies it by 5x. So, what I think we should do is have Emperor at 5-A+ via the Imperial Armor's amps and High 5-A via DoGaBaKi Emperor due to it being a fusion of all the arm monsters. What do you guys think?

I'll a add the Imperial Amp but since we don't have DoGaBaKi Emperor in the profile, I wanted to ask you guys first.

Edit: Just realized with the Demon Stones, Emperor would have an AP of 34 NinaTons, so it would've been High 5-A either way
 
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I forgot to bring this up but Kiva's speed section are listed like this:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Sub-Relativistic (Kicked the moon at these speeds), Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style | Sub-Relativistic, Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style

I'm pretty sure that Flight Style doesn't really do much of a power-up for Emperor Form. The strength and speed between these form are quite close so i suggest giving Kiva's Relativistic speed as base:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Relativistic speed (Kicked the moon at these speeds) | Relativistic speed (Should be faster than before)
 
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I forgot to bring this up but Kiva's speed section are listed like this:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Sub-Relativistic (Kicked the moon at these speeds), Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style | Sub-Relativistic, Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style

I'm pretty sure that Flight Style doesn't really do much of a power-up for Emperor Form. The strength and speed between these form are quite close so i suggest giving Kiva's Relativistic speed as base:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Relativistic speed (Kicked the moon at these speeds) | Relativistic speed (Should be faster than before)
I could do that. What does everyone else think?
 
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I could do that. What does everyone else think?
I argree.
Sorry that it took so long but I'm nearly done with Kiva, but I ran to something interesting. So, we know that Emperor Kiva has been calced to 575.7 YottaTons (5-A), now Kiva has a lot of multipliers. Dogga form multiplies the user's strength by 10x and we know the Imperial Armor multiplies it by 5x. So, what I think we should do is have Emperor at 5-A+ via the Imperial Armor's amps and High 5-A via DoGaBaKi Emperor due to it being a fusion of all the arm monsters. What do you guys think?

I'll a add the Imperial Amp but since we don't have DoGaBaKi Emperor in the profile, I wanted to ask you guys first.

Edit: Just realized with the Demon Stones, Emperor would have an AP of 34 NinaTons, so it would've been High 5-A either way
Talking about multipliers. The Zanvat sword is also a multiplier as well.

The sword's Imperial Blade is in fact, a giant Demon Stone. So it's should also has the same multipler aspect of the demon stones.
From the Hell Gate specs, we know that Kiva's demon energy got doubled when goes through the Sky Demon Stone, then it doubled again when goes through Water Demon Stone (4 times), then finally doubled again when goes through the Earth Demon Stone (8 times)

Applying the same logic to the Zanvat Sword, it should be able to doubles the power of Kiva by the same amount of times the lenght of Imperial Blade compare to the Demon Stones in Kiva's right foot.

This would explain why nothing in-universe can stand against the Zanvat finisher (which is simply Kiva's Demon Energy got doubled so many times after gone throught Zanvat's multipliers)
 
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Talking about multipliers. The Zanvat sword is also a multiplier as well.

The sword's Imperial Blade is in fact, a giant Demon Stone. So it's should also has the same multipler aspect of the demon stones.
From the Hell Gate specs, we know that Kiva's demon energy got doubled when goes through the Sky Demon Stone, then it doubled again when goes through Water Demon Stone (4 times), then finally doubled again when goes through the Earth Demon Stone (8 times)

Applying the same logic to the Zanvat Sword, it should be able to doubles the power of Kiva by the same amount of times the lenght of Imperial Blade compare to the Demon Stones in Kiva's right foot.

This would explain why nothing in-universe can stand against the Zanvat finisher (which is simply Kiva's Demon Energy got doubled so many times after gone throught Zanvat's multipliers)

You think the various stones stack onto each other or just, there’s pretty much three ways we could go through this:

Go for the highest multiplier which is 8x

Add the multipliers which is 14x

Or stack them which is 64x
 
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So where exactly would that place Kiva when all is said and done?
Well, still need everyone's opinion about whether this is legit or not. As i not really confident in my judgement when it's come to multipliers.

What i propose is : Give Zanvat Sword finisher the Emperor Kiva AP x2^n (n is the how much the imperial blade bigger than the demon stones on Hell Gate.)
 
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Alright, so it’ll be something like this then

Large Planet level (Kicked the moon into orbit) Dwarf Star level with Imperial Armor and Demon Stones (Multiplies his strength by 5x and several dozen times respectively), upto Small Star level with the Final Zanbat Slash (Can easily one shot those with comparable durability to him and draws power from the Sky, Water and Earth Demon Stones to increase it's strength by upto 64x)

DoGaBaKi with the Imperial Armor and Demon Stones is 300 NinaTons, if the FZS is 64x stronger than his normal attack, then it'd be 19.2 TenaTons (4-C). Although that's if the multiplier is actually 64x, going off of the other multipliers will give us Dwarf Star Level+
 

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I forgot to bring this up but Kiva's speed section are listed like this:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Sub-Relativistic (Kicked the moon at these speeds), Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style | Sub-Relativistic, Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style

I'm pretty sure that Flight Style doesn't really do much of a power-up for Emperor Form. The strength and speed between these form are quite close so i suggest giving Kiva's Relativistic speed as base:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Relativistic speed (Kicked the moon at these speeds) | Relativistic speed (Should be faster than before)
This is fine.
 
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Forgot to say this but Ovens will be busy for awhile and won't be able to approve the next few revisions. That being said, we'll have to get another person to look over these.

Also, about:
I forgot to bring this up but Kiva's speed section are listed like this:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Sub-Relativistic (Kicked the moon at these speeds), Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style | Sub-Relativistic, Relativistic reactions and combat speed in Flight Style

I'm pretty sure that Flight Style doesn't really do much of a power-up for Emperor Form. The strength and speed between these form are quite close so i suggest giving Kiva's Relativistic speed as base:

Athletic Human | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Superhuman speed with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed | Relativistic speed (Kicked the moon at these speeds) | Relativistic speed (Should be faster than before)
The calc which made Kiva's speed Relativistic, it was under the assumption that the moon was already in orbit. Which it was not, we know that Arc had pulled the moon and then Kiva kicked it. So the new calc which gave us Sub-Relativistic is more accurate, so we should remove the feat all together.
 
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We’re planning on making a Heisei Phase 1 finalization thread once Decade is done, so we’ll cover Kiva’s speed over there.
 

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Outsider to the franchise, but after a read of everything, it seems to be okay to me. I also trust the opinion of the "resident kitchen appliance" ovo
 

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About the multipliers, I'm not 100% on them since I know we usually take them with a pinch of salt (looking at you Dragon Ball). I'm sure DDM will will have a better answer as he always has a really good idea of what's what.
 
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so about the speed, I already gave my reasoning to why the speed should be downgraded to just Sub-Relativistic and not Relativistic, you agree with that?
 

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Yeah, I agree with that, as long as the calculation was approved by a calc member.
 

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You should probably try asking DDM again if they haven't responded, or try another mod
 

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They're both probably busy. I'd ask a bunch of mods, at least you should expect a response that way, hopefully
 
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I would like to propose a small addition to end this thread. Basically we need a note under Kiva's profile to explain about the multipliers and why they are applicable. Not many people can accept a huge multiplier like that without solid proof.

We also need to give an specific multiplies number of Demon Stones, other than just saying several dozen times.
 
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@MagiSinbad You want to adding the notes?
I currently dont get to access to my computer right now (not to mention my english grammar is kinda horrible tbh). But the notes in general would be something like

"About the 64x AP Multiplier of the Final Zanvat Slash finisher. It's because Zanvat Sword's imperial blade is in fact, a giant demon stone. Which means it share the same multiplier nature as other demon stones. As it's considered to be the greatest multiplier in the series, as well as one of the most powerful weapon in the Checkmate Four's possession, it should be scaled above Saga's jet black demon stone, which can multiplies more than entire 3 demon stones of Kiva combined (8 times). So with the Final Zanvat Slash finisher, Kiva is multiplied by not only 3 demon stones on his chest, but also the Zanvat Sword's imperial blade, which give Kiva : 2x2x2x8 =64 times his AP. "

Hope this sound legit enough. Althought i think it's should be stronger, if we go with the lenght of the Imperial Blade compare to the demon stones on Emperor Kiva's chest.
 
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Before we move on to a different thread:

1. Dark Kiva's speed is Supersonic+ and should be upgraded
2. Remove Arc's Relativistic speed via Legend Arc
 
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On DK's profile, he already scales to Emperor so we could just edit rn. We also already agreed with the Relativistic removal so we could do that also.
 
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