Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[M3X_2.0]

she would need too much CE to regenerate her arm

It’s not about CE pool but RCT mastery, he says it’s a hell of a feat.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It’s not about CE pool but RCT mastery, he says it’s a hell of a feat.

Yeah you're right I mixed up these both statements.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

To clarify the misunderstanding:

When I mentioned continuous RCT, SD, and domain, I was referring to him using them consecutively?(I'm not sure if I'm using correct words) during the fight, spamming one after another without taking breaks. I'm not trying to say he was using RCT from the beginning to the end of the fight.

Beginning he was spamming RCT, then he pulled up SD stopped using RCT but still has shown stamina to punch and kick Sukuna, then pulled out DE, Then started fighting Sukuna inside of it.

Okay yeah that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying

Sukuna had RCT, he just didn't have its full output. He healed his face to some extent after Yuta/Gojo’s HP.

Fair. Though, I can't tell if the smoke comes from Jacob's Ladder cooking them or not. A similar effect is seen on Sukuna when Angel first used it on him when he first possessed Megumi but idk Gege draws smoke and fire similarly.

 

[Arkenis]

IIRC Ryu clearly mentioned that even if Uro had RCT, she would need too much CE to regenerate her arm, implying she didn’t have enough CE left after using her DE. So whether she got off-guard cooked or not shouldn’t matter, I guess. She still lacks feats compared to what Yuji has accomplished throughout the series.

I was bringing it up because you said 5 minutes like it was a regular 5 minutes. Uro's stamina can be good, but when its against Rika and Yuta pummeling her AND she was already fighting Dhruv, Ryu and Kuro prior, then she does a domain. I just don't think you should compare it to Yuji.

Bf never amps ones stamina. Send scans for BF playing big roles in someone else stamina.

BF clearly amps stamina. Yuji was already falling apart by his fourth rct, sat back, came back and hit a bf and suddenly could fight Sukuna all alone. And this is just dumb, BF is known to increase one's control of ce it's gonna increase their performance its literally compared to an athlete in the zone which is a state where they gain their potential.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I was bringing it up because you said 5 minutes like it was a regular 5 minutes. Uro's stamina can be good, but when its against Rika and Yuta pummeling her AND she was already fighting Dhruv, Ryu and Kuro prior, then she does a domain.

I'm pretty sure they didn't fight prior. It was just a deadlock because of each having counters to one another.

I just don't think you should compare it to Yuji.

The whole arguments are if Yuji can outlast Uro's Stamina or not. So they need a comparison with feats.

BF clearly amps stamina.

BF amps power not stamina. If that was the case Mahito wouldn't be getting run out of his stamina even when his evolved state got cooked by just one BF from Yuji.

Yuji was already falling apart by his fourth rct, sat back, came back

This is headcanon. Manga clearly mentioned it was due to Yuji not being able to heal some body parts nothing stated anything related to stamina there.

and hit a bf and suddenly could fight Sukuna all alone.

No. It amped his sts so he could hang around better.

And this is just dumb, BF is known to increase one's control of ce it's gonna increase their performance its literally compared to an athlete in the zone which is a state where they gain their potential.

Yeah it's talking about potential and power how it's equal to increase in Stamina? Infact they would be running out of stamina due to using more power/potential than what they normally use.

First of all what you consider stamina means? You are just talking about increasing power that's all.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm pretty sure they didn't fight prior. It was just a deadlock because of each having counters to one another.

So they fought????

BF amps power not stamina. If that was the case Mahito wouldn't be getting run out of his stamina even when his evolved state got cooked by just one BF from Yuji.

He ran out of transfigured humans not stamina.

This is headcanon. Manga clearly mentioned it was due to Yuji not being able to heal some body parts nothing stated anything related to stamina there.

Stamina goes into that.

No. It amped his sts so he could hang around better.

Can't be serious.

Yeah it's talking about potential and power how it's equal to increase in Stamina? Infact they would be running out of stamina due to using more power/potential than what they normally use.

That makes no sense. Their potential unlocked equals more energy. The zone is literally about them being more focused and using their energy better.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

So they fought????

They likely fought previously but when Yuta showed up, they weren't actively in any struggle because each of them directly rock paper scissors style countered each other so they were kinda just waiting til something made one of them fall so the deadlock would end (ie Yuta)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I miss weekly JJK

 

[Arkenis]

They likely fought previously but when Yuta showed up, they weren't actively in any struggle because each of them directly rock paper scissors style countered each other so they were kinda just waiting til something made one of them fall so the deadlock would end (ie Yuta)

They still fought. All four of them weren't just sitting around, they had points and they wouldn't have just stopped fighting right away either.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

They still fought. All four of them weren't just sitting around, they had points and they wouldn't have just stopped fighting right away either.

Well in most of their cases we literally see them just sitting or laying around waiting (other than Uro). Also points could've come from killing civilians, weaker sorcerers, or curses before or even after the deadlock happened. We know Dhruv had shikigami all around the colony so they could've been getting points for him and the others had enough abilities to just pick things off without disturbing the others.

They likely fought in some capacity but probably not a full fight otherwise the deadlock never would've started and each of them have enough ranged abilities or other abilities that would let them just drag out a fight so its possible they literally just decided it wasn't worth it and dipped or something.

 

[JnSteHar002]

I miss weekly JJK

Me too

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

It’s not about CE pool but RCT mastery, he says it’s a hell of a feat.

Does that count for Yuta fixing Maki's leg in vol 0?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So they fought????.

No one knows but they definitely didn't had fight when Yuta killed Dhruv

He ran out of transfigured humans not stamina..

.Oh so still had enough stamina to spare from all previous BF amps but started to look like it for fun?

Stamina goes into that.

Again that's your headcanon. Yuji never stated anything about his stamina affecting his Regeneration.

Can't be serious.

It was clear that Yuji was running low on CE, he didn't had enough CE to spare for his RCT. So obviously BF didn't amped his stamina

That makes no sense. Their potential unlocked equals more energy. The zone is literally about them being more focused and using their energy better.

As far as we have shown that amp in energy is CE output. Not CE Storage both are different things.

 

[Arkenis]

.Oh so still had enough stamina to spare from all previous BF amps but started to look like it for fun?

What is even the point? He just got hit by a bf and couldn't handle it.

Again that's your headcanon. Yuji never stated anything about his stamina affecting his Regeneration.

Read the stamina page. If you disagree with that then there's just nothing to talk about at this point.

As far as we have shown that amp in energy is CE output. Not CE Storage both are different things.

I have never mentioned storage this entire time.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What is even the point? He just got hit by a bf and couldn't handle it.

Mahito already got hit by BF 2 times previous when he wasn't even in evolved state. He survived them and keep on fighting. Here he was in evolved state. Which puts his sts above his base form which took 2 BFs.
So don't see what him eating 3rd BF just automatically smokes him and makes him barely stand up.

Read the stamina page. If you disagree with that then there's just nothing to talk about at this point.

Send manga scans where it was stated he couldn't heal his injury after Yuta's domain collapsed due to stamina, instead of some unknown body part he didn’t know he hadn’t healed.

What does the stamina page have to do with your headcanon?

The manga states he failed to heal some part and was looking for it. He never stated, "I'm running out of stamina so I can't heal anymore." Choso comes and helps him heal by focusing on blood manipulation and circulating it throughout Yuji’s body. No one mentioned anything about stamina running out, so Yuji couldn't heal.

I have never mentioned storage this entire time.

Then what stamina even means to you? CE is important to characters stamina in the verse. Physical conditions also important but most of the people doesn't have body like Yuji. They gets cooked once CE gest decreased.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Does that count for Yuta fixing Maki's leg in vol 0?

No because the movie exaggerated

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No because the movie exaggerated

I think it counts but Yuta needs more time to do something like that.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think it counts but Yuta needs more time to do something like that.

Not really because Maki’s leg was there already, it was just f.ucked up massively. He wasn’t recreating a limb.

 

[Raiden38]

someone needs to update the verse profiles

 

[Arkenis]

someone needs to update the verse profiles

Like what?

 

[Raiden38]

Like what?

remained small city level+ the verse I got confused sorry

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No because the movie exaggerated

Akshually... The manga's healing is way more impressive because her leg is crushed and bent in several places like a wet paper. In the movie it's only broken backwards.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Not really because Maki’s leg was there already, it was just f.ucked up massively. He wasn’t recreating a limb.

Healing others is more impressive than healing yourself... Only 50% efficiency remember?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Healing others is more impressive than healing yourself... Only 50% efficiency remember?

In the biz, we call that (Yuta) upscale

 

[SunDaGamer]

I got to working on overhauling the Cursed Energy Manipulation page, how does it look so far?

SunDaGamer/Sandbox7

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Arkenis]

I got to working on overhauling the Cursed Energy Manipulation page, how does it look so far?

SunDaGamer/Sandbox7

vsbattles.fandom.com

• Statistics Reduction and Statistics Amplification (Users can disadvantage themselves in some way whether it be imposing a restriction on their output of Cursed Energy for a limited duration, revealing information about their Cursed Technique to their opponent or performing the hand signs and incantations of their technique and in exchange receive a benefit such as a boost in Cursed Energy Output or amplifying the effects of their technique)

Should be or not and.

Should remove advance sorcerers.

 

[LIGHTYW]

You said he got blitzed. He did not get blitzed because if he did he’d have a ******* hole between his eyes

Still slower than a supersonic attack

 

[SunDaGamer]

Should be or not and.

The descriptor is literally describing the equivalent exchange part of Binding Vows where you can restrict your stats via lowering your output output to later gain more output later on like what Nanami does with his Overtime Vow, they shouldn't be treated as separate aspects

 

[Arkenis]

The descriptor is literally describing the equivalent exchange part of Binding Vows where you can restrict your stats via lowering your output output to later gain more output later on like what Nanami does with his Overtime Vow, they shouldn't be treated as separate aspects

You have it under binding vows though which aren't both stat amp and stat reduc, you can just remove one aspect and gain another. It should also have power mod in there too.

 

[SunDaGamer]

You have it under binding vows though which aren't both stat amp and stat reduc, you can just remove one aspect and gain another. It should also have power mod in there too.

You need the stat reduction to get the stat amp with some binding vows and some vows involve reducing the cursed energy in a body part to 0 so that it gets stat reduced while the rest of the body gets a stat amp, they're interlinked you can't have one without going through the other in some vows.
Power Modification is for altering the very nature of an ability e.g. a technique that manipulates blood becomes a technique that manipulates bone which binding vows can't do

 

[Arkenis]

You need the stat reduction to get the stat amp with some binding vows and some vows involve reducing the cursed energy in a body part to 0 so that it gets stat reduced while the rest of the body gets a stat amp, they're interlinked you can't have one without going through the other in some vows.
Power Modification is for altering the very nature of an ability e.g. a technique that manipulates blood becomes a technique that manipulates bone which binding vows can't do

Notice how you say "some", that is why I said or should be used because the bw can do either or. Then there's even Sukuna's bw with fire arrow being restricted when he's outnumbered except when he opens domain so yeah all bw don't increase or reduce stats.
And yeah BWs can alter the nature of their ct or domains. A domain's original form is meant to keep the outside world out and everything inside in, yet Sukuna can alter it to allow entry for only living beings, Yuta can alter it to target specific people. Sukuna further altered his ws to make it require chants and direct it with his palm. There's also Yuji altering Shrine to now target the boundary between souls. And PM is this.

Power Modification is able to change the function of an ability in some shape or form

Also the page's primary example, Ajuka is basically what I'm describing just without the exchange bw has. It can just be the mechanics, it doesn't have to be changing an entire ability.

Ajuka Beelzebub's Kankara Formula can use specialized demonic magical formulas to alter other demonic powers to change their shape, direction, and potency.

 

[LIGHTYW]

When will true form sukuna vs gojo be redone

 

[Arkenis]

When will true form sukuna vs gojo be redone

It can be now since Sukuna's page is updated I think.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It got redone already, and it went nowhere

Also, I don't think Sukuna's profile changed enough to warrant a redoing

 

[M3X_2.0]

I don’t think my thread covered true form Sukuna

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

What would change? We only see him when he's weakened, and he gets no new feats worth indexing besides Black Flash (which is already listed)

 

[M3X_2.0]

What would change? We only see him when he's weakened, and he gets no new feats worth indexing besides Black Flash

Basically upscales from Meguna and gets his standard equipment

Idk how it looks rn because I refuse to see these poorly edited profiles

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Basically upscales from Meguna and gets his standard equipment

I don't think there's any notable AP difference that warrants indexing them separately. Also, Kamutoke is crazy featless besides like attack speed

Idk how it looks rn because I refuse to see these poorly edited profiles

I just overwrote the stats section with my sandbox. You can be the judge of that. Still don't think the profile is that good but I mostly have a problem with the P&A

 

[M3X_2.0]

You can be the judge of that

Nah if it’s what you did then it’s fine

 

[SunDaGamer]

Notice how you say "some", that is why I said or should be used because the bw can do either or.

It's a distinction that doesn't really matter because binding vows in general are capable of doing both, they have access to either ability

Then there's even Sukuna's bw with fire arrow being restricted when he's outnumbered except when he opens domain so yeah all bw don't increase or reduce stats.

Listing off an ability for a concept in a power system doesn't limit that concept to only being able to perform that specific ability

A domain's original form is meant to keep the outside world out and everything inside in, yet Sukuna can alter it to allow entry for only living beings

It doesn't do that

Yuta can alter it to target specific people

The sure-hit effect of a domain is a condition imbued in a barrier (and isn't even essential for creating a Domain Expansion) changing the condition from targeting other people trapped in the domain to targeting one specific person falls under the Limited Law Manip plastered onto anything related to Jujutsu conditions

Sukuna further altered his ws to make it require chants and direct it with his palm.

Straight up a Nen Restriction and they don't have Power Mod for doing things like that

There's also Yuji altering Shrine to now target the boundary between souls.

Yuji could target that because of his awareness of souls, he was already doing it with his regular Cursed Energy punches he just restricted his Dismantles to only affect the the boundary between Sukuna and Megumi's souls without doing any physical damage to Sukuna which made his Soul Dismantles more effective at specifically hitting the boundary between souls. Yuji would be able to control his cursed technique target regardless of making a binding vow, the binding just buffs what he wants to do.

Dismantles: can harm both the physical body and hit the boundary between souls -> Yuji decides not to target the physical body and therefore give up on causing physical harm -> becomes more effective at hitting the boundary between souls
Punches: will cause physical harm no matter what because that's how they work and therefore the same binding vow done with the Dismantles can't work here

And PM is this.

And it is also this

Power Modification is able to change the function of an ability in some shape or form, such as turning superhuman strength into superhuman speed. It should be noted that users must be able to interfere with the nature of the ability itself for this to be listed in their profile.

Changing the nature of the ability itself in this case would be something like Gojo changing Blue's ability to compress space into Red which expands space with Cursed Technique Reversal which in itself requires changing negative energy into positive energy via Reverse Cursed Technique. Simply restricting your ability from targeting 2 things to 1 thing ain't Power Mod.

Also the page's primary example, Ajuka is basically what I'm describing just without the exchange bw has. It can just be the mechanics, it doesn't have to be changing an entire ability.

Ajuka's profile also says

Power Modification and Limited Power Nullification (Can fundamentally change and manipulate skills and abilities with the use of formulas and equations; for instance, he caused Tsufame's water projectiles to disperse into mist and evaporate harmlessly [8])

Kankara Formula: Ajuka's special ability which allows him to control and manipulate all phenomenon using equations and formulas and modify it to make it into a special move of his own. All phenomena and all powers run on laws and rules all of which have been created with equations, by manipulating these equations, Ajuka is able to manipulate people's powers like his own hands.

and if he can do something like fundamentally change a bludgeon weapon into a sword via changing its shape with the Kankara Formula (which is Law, Info and Math Hax) then that's something else entirely from whatever you've brought up.

Looking at the other noted examples on the Power Mod page, Nadakhan's profile says:

• Limited Power Nullification and Power Modification (Nullified Vengestone's negation power and changed it to amplification power)[11])

and Shiranui's profile says:

Power Modification (Real Eater allows her to modify any skill she comes in contact with)

Real Eater: The Skill that modifies Skills. Hansode's minus allows her to modify virtually any skill by "Eating" them. She can modify the properties of a skill ranging from adding or removing laws or restrictions like she was going to do to Misogi's All Fiction, to changing the very basis of how a skill works and what it does. Capable of changing strength skills like Unknown Hero to speed skills and observing through others to observing yourself. On top of that, new abilities created by Real Eater can't be used on anyone with Hansode's flesh. Due to her skill's ability to modify other abilities, she is able to totally ignore the properties of other abilities when using Real Eater.

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