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"Joker" vs "King"
- Thread starter Lapsad
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don't make me do this man
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The former gets resisted and even if he can resist the really good stuff there is still the good ol option of
Actually fighting Gilgamesh normally
I think SNI and Joker being the trickster both cancel out, so that's at least interesting
On the other hand I have to throw out the obligatory "why have you done this" and not comment further for now
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I'm pretty sure this is a stomp either way
If Ren doesn't have a ton of layers to his resistances and offensive stuff, Gil's everything works, and Ren can do nothing as all of his stuff is shut down and Gil kills him with whatever
If he does have a bunch of layers, then Gil's nothing works, and Ren bypasses his resistances and wins
As for trickster vs SNI, it's debatable, SNI works on acausals as well, and sees all possibilities, so you could argue he'd just see whatever possibilities Joker's existence changed things to, but that's not really as important as the layers situation
If Ren doesn't have a ton of layers to his resistances and offensive stuff, Gil's everything works, and Ren can do nothing as all of his stuff is shut down and Gil kills him with whatever
If he does have a bunch of layers, then Gil's nothing works, and Ren bypasses his resistances and wins
As for trickster vs SNI, it's debatable, SNI works on acausals as well, and sees all possibilities, so you could argue he'd just see whatever possibilities Joker's existence changed things to, but that's not really as important as the layers situation
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how does Gil deal with High-Godly regen? that seems to be a big issue for him.
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It's just altered reality into nothing,
And protects the whole body passively
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so in order to hit him yo must have resistance to power null right?
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You need resistance to power null of various layers, I think it was around 12 layers of resistance more or less.
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And resistance to subjective reality tho
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I believe gilgamesh has layers of resistance equal to BB
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That's why I said 12 layers, it's was most surely more than that but I didn't wanted to search the exact number, now I did it and it's around 20 layers.
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is that considered a lot? sounds like it. still don't know how Gilgamesh gets past high-godly regen though.
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The layers come from the Authority of gods.
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Because gods resist the authorities of others gods, and depending of the rank of the god that resistance have more layers, the characters around the level of BB resist like 20 layers
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I mean without further context that doesn't really sound like layers but just scaling up from Superiority, which Joker would have in droves considering by the point he's Low 1-C he'd scale vastly upwards from normal shadows capable of power null and other such abilities
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No intention of arguing Joker, but just as a reminder levels are canon in MT, and a one level gap between Zeus and Elizabeth allowed the former to completely possess her.
Taken in the fight that horde battles are common in MT, Joker would be a walking resistance sponge.
Taken in the fight that horde battles are common in MT, Joker would be a walking resistance sponge.
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I'm sorry it what
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This is of course not mentioning the fact that a Persona (a tamed Shadow), naturally grants resistance to Possession.
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Anyone with an Authority has resistances to any ability another Authority user can possess so long as their Authority is superior.
It's a thing already accepted anyways that authority have layer.
Well normaly think like level exist and is canon for one person in fate with autority and she can have 999 level but we don't use that
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Bump?
