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Jiren v Broly, I take broly and yes.. im looking for a actual debate.

This isn't how the Versus Thread section works. This type of discussion would more fit into the General Discussion section, as the OP isn't supposed to take sides when posting a VS thread.
 
Alright, do you want to go first? Also were using Standard Battle Assumptions correct?
 
This Scan is false because it states as a preview that Beerus says Goku is at his level. We know this is false because IN THE ACTUAL EPISODE BEERUS NEVER STATES THIS making the scan invalid.
 
Meanwhile, according to this even Beerus says Ultra Instinct Goku might be stronger than him (possibly a line from then next episode?), and that there might be more crazy developments in store. (Herms)
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We know this is false is because beerus never actually states this in the epsidoe making that scan invalid.
 
NANI1122 said:
Meanwhile, according to this even Beerus says Ultra Instinct Goku might be stronger than him (possibly a line from then next episode?), and that there might be more crazy developments in store. (Herms)
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u know in that very scan it states that jiren while not even exerting much energy is already stronger than a g.o.d?
 
like I said that scan isnt even very relaible because on the top we see it states false information regarding the anime. Also Jirens Power in general was stated to be equal to a god of destruction so it contradicts what that guide says even if you consider it relaible which I dont.
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"The strongest U11 warrior. His power is said to even match that of a God of Destruction!"
 
Broly has no feats that suggest he is stronger than Jiren. He just has a vague statement that may or may not indicate he is weaker than Beerus.
 
Broly Been stated above Everyone and stated the strongest enemy

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In this scan Freiza says no being in existence can beat Broly. From feriza perspective Broly is the strongest and Freiza fought true power jiren the one in ep 127

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Broly being the strongest means he is stronger then Jiren Automaticlly :()
 
Yeah I'll have to take Jiren here.

Broly's best statement about his power is that he's "might be stronger than Beerus" as stated by Goku. However, Goku NEVER felt Beerus' ki in his full power and thus doesn't know how strong he really is, making this statement even more dubious than it already was

Jiren's power on the other hand, was clearly stated by Whis to rival, and might even surpassed Beerus' level, even saying that the statement of a mortal being stronger than a God of Destruction is true, and refers to Jiren. Belmod, said God of Destruction that Jiren surpassed, smiles in agreement about Jiren's full power
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Yeah I'll have to take Jiren here.

Broly's best statement about his power is that he's "might be stronger than Beerus" as stated by Goku. However, Goku NEVER felt Beerus' ki in his full power and thus doesn't know how strong he really is, making this statement even more dubious than it already was

Jiren's power on the other hand, was clearly stated by Whis to rival, and might even surpassed Beerus' level, even saying that the statement of a mortal being stronger than a God of Destruction is true, and refers to Jiren. Belmod, said God of Destruction that Jiren surpassed, smiles in agreement about Jiren's full power
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Yes & On top of that this only FP Jiren not The Limit breaking one which is considerably stronger than this one
 
Also in the anime Whis says Belmod is stronger based off a arm wrestling match we know is not credible because there is a similar situation in the manga that the rat god had won a arm wrestling match but beerus was still stated to be the strongest god. I have the scan for that on my phone but not on here but in general Broly has been stated the strongest by many sources.
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strongest enemy in history at this point in time. Like y’all know how dragon ball works every antagonist after is going to be stronger then the previous one.

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The strongest enemy invades earth hmmm interesting

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NANI1122 said:
Also in the anime Whis says Belmod is stronger based off a arm wrestling match we know is not credible because there is a similar situation in the manga that the rat god had won a arm wrestling match but beerus was still stated to be the strongest god. I have the scan for that on my phone but not on here but in general Broly has been stated the strongest by many sources.
f.

main-qimg-9b305fde1d8253572b06125bc8a6620e

strongest enemy in history at this point in time. Like y’all know how dragon ball works every antagonist after is going to be stronger then the previous one.

main-qimg-f27fba000442ad1c58229bb43ddaa5d5

The strongest enemy invades earth hmmm interesting

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hype material kek
 
and? I dont see how that would matter here but even then we still have Freezas statement, Gokus Statement, Saikyo Jumps statement which was also edited from toriyama
 
and Im guessing since you keep ignoring my discord I guess challenge I guess thats a no to discord?
 
Hype material and Jiren's feat of breaking through Hit's strongest time skip puts him beyond what Broly ever did if you really take Vados' statement at face value. Include the fact Jiren easily out skills Broly. It won't be an easy match since Broly becoming stronger each time would be quite difficult to face off but Jiren should still have the upper hand honestly before broly gains enough power to overpower him.
 
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