Itachi vs Pain Round 3: Healthy Itachi vs prime Nagato

[Arkenis]

Amaterasu is getting almost passively absorbed.

no it isn't. as soon as it touches nagato hes getting hurt by it, a simple look at nagatos head or eyes and they're getting burned.

 

[Arkenis]

disagree with your logic. This implies that they are all equals which they aren't. Perfect Jinchuuriki Bee > KCM Naruto > Itachi. The full tailed beasts' bijuu bomb scales to 26.11 gigatons. A charged bijuu bomb between Kurama and Gyuki share a value of 1.2 teratons. Nobody knows how strong a KCM wind style rasenshuriken is, but 6 tails Naruto's biju bomb is 2.39 gigatons, and KCM is above that. Itachi nearly became a stain on the ground with skeletal susanoo after Kirin, which is only 600 megatons, roughly 4x weaker than 6-tails Naruto's bijuu bomb. Mind you, Nagato took a lariat from v2 8-tails Bee (and literally absorbed the chakra of the entire form which healed him), who should be several times stronger than 6-tails Naruto due to the number of tails present.

TL;DR: Bee contributed to the lion's share of AP that destroyed CT based on quantifiable feats, followed by Naruto then Itachi. You would have to prove one Yasaka bead is at least as powerful as Bee's BD.

There's a calc that puts itachi at island lvl via destroying the chibaku tensei with bee and naruto so yea he should be there with yasaka beads.
When itachi blocked the kirin he was already fatigued and pushing himself to stay alive, this match is about a healthy itachi not a sick, so don't bring sick itachi feats to discredit a healthy one.

 

[RisingIons]

Wtf is this "healthy itachi", a super saiyan form? His feats are pre-death's door and post-death's door.

And idk what that calc is because its not used on the profiles. I'll tell you right now though, if there is scaling that tries to use the CT Pain used against Naruto as the one Edo Nagato used, it's flat-out wrong. They're not even remotely the same size, let alone the same stage of development.

 

[TauanVictor]

Itachi FRA

 

[Arkenis]

Wtf is this "healthy itachi", a super saiyan form? His feats are pre-death's door and post-death's door.

And idk what that calc is because its not used on the profiles. I'll tell you right now though, if there is scaling that tries to use the CT Pain used against Naruto as the one Edo Nagato used, it's flat-out wrong. They're not even remotely the same size, let alone the same stage of development.

Its the chibaku tensei they destroyed thats calced for each of them being island lvl for destroying it together. Regardless a healthy itachi is a stronger itachi, is that concept foreign to you?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

he’s still being controlled by Kabuto so it’s not 100% his mindset regardless. Kabuto's control made Nagato more efficient in ways he didn't even know. It was essentially Kabuto vs crew and Nagato's mind took a backseat. (Nagato can detect Itachi using his Mangekyou sharingan, even if he misreads the jutsu)

I'll address this entire scene instead of arguing against your points. Konan told Nagato not to use CT because his body was already in no shape from having to wipe the entire Leaf (which he needed to deactivate his other paths for), as well as fighting with Leaf ninja and fighting extensively with Naruto. Additionally we can see that Pain made this CT while he was on the run from 6-tails Naruto, so its not like he needed to focus so much he couldn't move. Additionally, Naruto was pretty much sealed to the outside of a 99.9% complete CT, which Nagato considered making bigger, because Nagato knew of the 9 tails.

I disagree with your logic. This implies that they are all equals which they aren't. Perfect Jinchuuriki Bee > KCM Naruto > Itachi. The full tailed beasts' bijuu bomb scales to 26.11 gigatons. A charged bijuu bomb between Kurama and Gyuki share a value of 1.2 teratons. Nobody knows how strong a KCM wind style rasenshuriken is, but 6 tails Naruto's biju bomb is 2.39 gigatons, and KCM is above that. Itachi nearly became a stain on the ground with skeletal susanoo after Kirin, which is only 600 megatons, roughly 4x weaker than 6-tails Naruto's bijuu bomb. Mind you, Nagato took a lariat from v2 8-tails Bee (and literally absorbed the chakra of the entire form which healed him), who should be several times stronger than 6-tails Naruto due to the number of tails present.

TL;DR: Bee contributed to the lion's share of AP that destroyed CT based on quantifiable feats, followed by Naruto then Itachi. You would have to prove one Yasaka bead is at least as powerful as Bee's BD.

This makes no sense and are featless for doing what you think they can.

Yeah but Nagato's ability still should've let him react. Even when The Third Raikage was completely controlled it's not like his abilities were suddenly lost and he could only move when commanded, he was just set in auto counter mode, like when he dodged the Rasenshuriken.

He was in no shape to do it without shortening his lifespan, but that doesn't mean it was weaker than it could be. Also he still needs to take time to prepare it, so since Itachi will see him charging a jutsu, he'll try to stop him. And do you really think 8 Tails Naruto couldn't have broken free if he was more inside? He's massive compared to it (I don't mean bigger than it, but big enough that the CT doesn't seem that big). And Nagato thought he could contain Naruto if he enlarged it, but that doesn't mean he actually could.

Well a clone of KCM Naruto could destroy A3's lightning armor and burn him with the Rasenshuriken, and he can tank Gyuki's attacks, so that implies KCM Naruto Rasenshuriken~Gyuuki Bijuudama. Also don't compare Sick Itachi's Skeletal Susanoo to Healthy Itachi's Yasaka Magatama. Also I'm not sure V2 Bee is stronger than 6 Tails Naruto, given that Kurama is 5x stronger than Gyuki. Also I'm not sure what that has to do with anything anyways.

Well they were portrayed as relative in the shot.

The Tosuka blade can pierce anything so if it stabbed the core it would be destroyed and thus couldn't suck Itach in anymore. And Amaterasu doesn't stop until it completely burns its target to ash, so if Itachi sighted the core it'd be done.

 

[RisingIons]

The amount of headcanon in this thread is unreal lmao unfollowed

 

[Arkenis]

Imma vote for itachi due to these reasons
Because itachi's showing as edo showed enough to show Itachi is stronger than nagato (destroyed nagatos arm with susanoo chop)
Kept up with Kcm naruto and bee in base sharingan putting him relative to nagato
Showed us his amaterasu can destroy his body
Has Izanami and Izanagi if it ever came to using them
Yata mirror and Totska blade gg

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The amount of headcanon in this thread is unreal lmao unfollowed

uhuh, I'm sure that's why.

 

[Arkenis]

waiting for debunk lol.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

waiting for debunk lol.

No debunk possible, since it's true Itachi would win

 

[Arkenis]

bumping