Isshiki Resistance to Illusion and Mind Manip

[YoutubeForKing]

I believe that Ootsosuki Isshiki Should have resistance to (Illusion Creation, Perception Manipulation and Mind manipulation) and he should have 7 layers of resistance (At least 3 for possessing the byakugan shown here).

So Sasuke Uchiha has 7 Layered Genjutsu (Which is Illusion Creation, Perception Manipulation and Mind manipulation) and I believe that Isshiki should have resistance to it.

So here we see that Jigen was looking directly into sasuke's eye (Amateratsu comes from his eye and Jigen was looking directly at it)
I believe that Sasuke was trying everything here as he was trapped within Jigen's rods plus the fact that he was using Amateratsu knowing that Jigen/Karma can absorb Jutsu (He quite literally watches Jigen do it, Naruto Verbally tells him and he know's about other Karma having that ability) He still tries it despite its cost to his chakra.

(Plus he knows Amateratsu isn't an insta kill as he's used it before and it never insta killed)

Also sasuke definitely could have used it, genjutsu doesn't have any effects UNLESS it works, meaning we wouldn't have known if he used it UNLESS we see Jigen affected by it.

And narratively Naruto And Sasuke had two prep times, knew his abilities before they fought him and at the end they chose to KILL kurama and possibly naruto, it makes no sense for sasuke to be able to just zero difficulty one tap jigen then proceed to cut off his head. Like actually listen to yourself

I believe Sasuke would of at least tried genjutsu on him as it would have made no sense for him not too when he's basically just throwing chakra at isshiki with his Amateratsu.
Plus it also makes no sense for some random genjutsu user to be able to No diff Jigen as currently on his page he has ZERO resistances.

Also adult sasuke was stated to have the strongest Genjutsu so its not like the authors just forgot he had it lmfao.

Agree With Isshiki Having 7 layered resistance - 2
Disagree With Isshiki Having 7 layered resistance - 1

 

[Myguy]

I mean ye? it does make sense to me at least

Hard to believe that Sasuke didn't try to use his genjutsu in this fight

 

[speedster352]

I guess this works I agree

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Another thing is naruto's sensing capabilities are insane.
When isshiki shrunk naruto had no idea where he went, although dude was right in front of him naruto was questioning where he went.

This is the same naruto who can sense Locations based on emotion

and he can even sense madara and sasuke in another dimension when he looks for their chakra.

I might create another thread for this or just a big old resisting thread Cause Isshiki should have way more crap than is on his page

Isshiki has resistment to this with his cubes, but clearly he wasn't using them when naruto couldn't sense him

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think your argument is awful, but I think he should have some kind of resistence, given the fact that, narratively, nothing from Naruto and Sasuke would be able to beat him, Genjutsu include.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

I think your argument is awful, but I think he should have some kind of resistence, given the fact that, narratively, nothing from Naruto and Sasuke would be able to beat him, Genjutsu include.

That is my argument

 

[YoutubeForKing]

I think your argument is awful, but I think he should have some kind of resistence, given the fact that, narratively, nothing from Naruto and Sasuke would be able to beat him, Genjutsu include.

But do you think he should have 7 layered resistment or not?
I think 3 layers is the lowest we can go as he does posses the byakugan so either way isshiki is coming out of this thread with better hax

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

No.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Not really, this part here is awful:

So here we see that Jigen was looking directly into sasuke's eye (Amateratsu comes from his eye and Jigen was looking directly at it)
I believe that Sasuke was trying everything here as he was trapped within Jigen's rods plus the fact that he was using Amateratsu knowing that Jigen/Karma can absorb Jutsu (He quite literally watches Jigen do it, Naruto Verbally tells him and he know's about other Karma having that ability) He still tries it despite its cost to his chakra.

It's not that Sasuke was trying everything, he barely used what he could've used in this fight. But we know that from a narrative perspective, nothing from them would work anyway because Jigen had a big plot armor in this fight.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

No.

What about 3 layers, you yourself even said that byakugan is 3 layered resistance and isshiki posses it.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Not really, this part here is awful:

It's not that Sasuke was trying everything, he barely used what he could've used in this fight. But we know that from a narrative perspective, nothing from them would work anyway because Jigen had a big plot armor in this fight.

Genjutsu comes with little cost when compared to amateratsu, and there is no visualization for genjutsu in Naruto unless it works.
I believe he would try Genjutsu againts isshiki if he's looking directly at him, which he was.
Plus if it makes sense narratively then why wouldn't he just have the resistance?

 

[Myguy]

No.

I think he should
As m3x said, jigen is supposed to be an unbeatable opponent for naruto and sasuke, so he should be able to resist sasuke genjutsu

 

[M3X_2.0]

Genjutsu comes with no cost, and there is no visualization for genjutsu in Naruto unless it works.

Doesn't mean he used. Pretty sure the manga would show us Sasuke using it and then it not working on Jigen.

I believe he would try Genjutsu againts isshiki if he's looking directly at him, which he was.

I too belive he would, but he didn't. It is what it is.

Plus if it makes sense narratively then why wouldn't he just have the resistment?

Because Sasuke never used Genjutsu against Jigen and Jigen never resisted.

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

I think... Sasuke was never putting Otsutsuki-like Momo, Kaguya and Isshiki under illusion by using Genjutsu.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

I think... Sasuke was never putting Otsutsuki-like Momo, Kaguya and Isshiki under illusion by using Genjutsu.

Kaguya and Momoshiki has resistment.
Plus sasuke's genjutsu when he fought kaguya wasn't as potent as hers anyways she wouldve just broken out immediantly lmfao

My problem is isshiki has no resistment, so vsbattles think that any person in naruto who has genjutsu would no diff him if it lands, and thats not true.

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

Kaguya and Momoshiki has resistment.
Plus sasuke's genjutsu when he fought kaguya wasn't as potent as hers anyways she wouldve just broken out immediantly lmfao

My problem is isshiki has no resistment, so vsbattles think that any person in naruto who has genjutsu would no diff him if it lands, and thats not true.

Ah. I see forgive me for not reading their profile.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

What about 3 layers, you yourself even said that byakugan is 3 layered resistance and isshiki posses it.

Him having Byakugan resistances is fine. He already has it if I'm not mistaken on his profile.

The other stuff is a hard no. We don't award resistances based on hypotheticals. The fact is that Sasuke never used genjutsu against him, and he never resisted it. Sasuke never used it against Naruto either, and we don't give him resistances because "they're supposed to be equal, so it wouldn't make sense if Sasuke can just genjutsu gg him".
At the end of the day, it's just PIS. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Doesn't mean he used. Pretty sure the manga would show us Sasuke using it and then it not working on Jigen.

Not always true genjutsu has been used multiple times off camera.

Because Sasuke never used Genjutsu against Jigen and Jigen never resisted.

It makes zero sense for that to be a Wincon on Jigen, if sasuke thought there was a slim chance of it working he would of used that, and Amaterasu literally shows us that.

Ah. I see forgive me for not reading their profile.

Do u agree with the OP?

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Him having Byakugan resistances is fine. He already has it if I'm not mistaken on his profile.

He literally has no resistance on his profile. Meaning itachi can no diff jigen with = speed LMFAO

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sounds like a cope

But you're right, he doesn't have it, and he should.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Sasuke never used it against Naruto either

He knows it would be useless as naruto has a counter to it not a good argument.

"they're supposed to be equal, so it wouldn't make sense if Sasuke can just genjutsu gg him".

There not supposed to be equal. Naruto and Sasuke literally had no way of beating Isshiki beside's naruto quite literally killing off kurama and potentially himself.
Sasuke had prep before fighting isshiki again if you think genjutsu would no diff isshiki your wrong because sasuke would have used it

 

[YoutubeForKing]

VsBattles give tiers and hax all the time based off hypotheticals and statements.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

He knows it would be useless as naruto has a counter to it not a good argument.

Sharingan users can easily put perfect Jinchūriki and Bijū under genjutsu with prior knowledge. Obito did it twice, and Sasuke himself did it once. All they have to do is enter their psyche and put both under genjutsu. The ability is on their profiles.

And dude, your argument is a non-starter and incredulous. Should we give Isshiki resistances to everything in the verse because "no way he loses to this tier 7 character in speed equal "? Like, it's not how this works. People get resistances for things they're shown to resist, period.

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

Hold up not why you make a thread revision instead of General Discussion?

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Should we give Isshiki resistances to everything in the verse because "no way he loses to this tier 7 character in speed equal "?

Thats completely different than giving him resistment to a character who had no hope of defeating him, and were not giving him resistment to all of sasuke's hax only his genjutsu which would of made no sense if he beat him with it.

I'm not arguing he should get it because "No way he should lose" i'm arguing he should get it because naruto and sasuke had NO way of beating him besides LITERALLY KILLING OFF KURAMA AND POTENTIALLY NARUTO!! BIG DIFFERENCE. AND MIND YOU THEY HAD PREP TIME TWICE!!! AND SAW HIS ABILITIES!!

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Hold up not why you make a thread revision instead of General Discussion?

I have no idea what that is, this is just one question its really a do you think so or do you not.
I believe if more people agree with it then it can be added?
So given all the imformation do you agree that Isshiki should be able to resist it?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

No.

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

I have no idea what that is, this is just one question its really a do you think so or do you not.
I believe if more people agree with it then it can be added?
So given all the imformation do you agree that Isshiki should be able to resist it?

I might agree with you what your stated but it seems UchihaSlayer's claim.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

I might agree with you what your stated but it seems UchihaSlayer's claim.

I don't agree with his claim because its not like you can see genjutsu.

Had it been a truth seeker orb thats different as you can see it.

The only way we could know for sure if sasuke used it is if Jigen was affected by it, and it would make no sense for sasuke to be able to win with that because in the end they decided to Kill Kurama and possibly Naruto to beat him.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Not always true genjutsu has been used multiple times off camera.

You still don't understand. It doesn't matter if Sasuke was looking directly at Jigen, it doesn't mean he used Genjutsu. Even if you say genjutsu was used of screen, that's completely irrelevant. Something like that being used against Jigen would've been noticed.

It makes zero sense for that to be a Wincon on Jigen, if sasuke thought there was a slim chance of it working he would of used that, and Amaterasu literally shows us that.

That's literally what I'm saying. I never said it's a wincon, I just said he never used it.

Do u agree with the OP?

No.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Dude, it's not because you don't see Genjutsu, that it is being used, like what the fuck? Every time Sasuke stares at someone he tries to use Genjutsu? He simply didn't use it. Every single fucking time Genjutsu was used we knew it was used, the art makes it clear, statements makes it clear.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Dude, it's not because you don't see Genjutsu, that it is being used, like what the fuck? Every time Sasuke stares at someone he tries to use Genjutsu? He simply didn't use it. Every single fucking time Genjutsu was used we knew it was used, the art makes it clear, statements makes it clear.

Just cause kishimoto emphasized it doesn't mean ikemoto would LMFAO.

You still don't understand. It doesn't matter if Sasuke was looking directly at Jigen, it doesn't mean he used Genjutsu. Even if you say genjutsu was used of screen, that's completely irrelevant. Something like that being used against Jigen would've been noticed.

It wouldn't have been noticed becaue its completely irrelevant and Jigen would have not been affected.
Sasuke would have used Genjutsu before letting Kurama and possibly Naruto die.

Genjutsu being a wincon againts Jigen is completely braindead

 

[M3X_2.0]

holy shit just close this thread @UchihaSlayer96

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Unless you can prove that he used genjutsu and it failed to work, there's really no argument to be had here.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

holy shit just close this thread @UchihaSlayer96

Close it for what, some people are obviously agreeing with the fact that it makes no sense for sasuke to be able to No diff jigen.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean shit

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Unless you can prove that he used genjutsu and it failed to work, there's really no argument to be had here.

There is an argument.
VsBattles gives tiers and hax all the time based off shit that cant be PROVEN.
ITS BASIC LOGIC THAT SASUKE CANT NO DIFF JIGEN

 

[M3X_2.0]

My brother in Christ stop being dumb. No one ever said Genjutsu would work on him, shut the fuck up and start reading. You just can't prove he used Genjutsu there.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

You just can't prove he used Genjutsu there.

My guy the only way to PROVE that he used genjutsu is by it actually WORKING on JIGEN. Which it wont because sasuke literally has no way of beating him, it goes againts the narrative LMFAO
Ikemoto doen't emphasize the use of abilities that would have no affect only kishimoto does, and its braindead to think that he wouldn't use it here.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yeah, I'm closing this.