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I heard that 1-A's weren't allowed in Vs Battles any more, is this true?
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Is Yog-Sothoth still able to be used in Vs battles?
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@Antvasima, but is Yog-Sothoth and all other 1-A's banned completely?
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We sort of can, but it's so far from an exact science that it's more just saying "Character A is most likely stronger than charcter B" than something that can be used as a legitimate vs match up, and is thus something that is only ever really done for fun and never serious vs threads.
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To compound the issue, Yog-Sothoth is High 1-A, meaning it stomps anything below other High 1-As and 0s, and a fight between two High 1-As, two 0s, or often even a High 1-A and a 0 is pretty much impossible to determine any sort of solid victor for in any meaningful sense, and thus would make a pretty terrible vs thread, even if we allowed them.
We sort of can, but it's so far from an exact science that it's more just saying "Character A is most likely stronger than charcter B" than something that can be used as a legitimate vs match up, and is thus something that is only ever really done for fun and never serious vs threads.
@Holyhotsauce
To compound the issue, Yog-Sothoth is High 1-A, meaning it stomps anything below other High 1-As and 0s, and a fight between two High 1-As, two 0s, or often even a High 1-A and a 0 is pretty much impossible to determine any sort of solid victor for in any meaningful sense, and thus would make a pretty terrible vs thread, even if we allowed them.
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Perhaps this rule should be stated.
However, the main reason that Yog shouldn't be used in VS matches is that he is absolutely above everything and anything, except being restricted by Azathoth.
It basically sums down to
| It is strongly recommended not to create VS match-ups of tier 0 or 1-A characters, as they are often extremely hard to exactly evaluate, which makes any VS match-up involving them either inconclusive or a stomp thread. |
It basically sums down to
- anything matched against Yogs, Yogs >>> said character because of his tiering.
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I have added your suggestion to the Versus Thread Rules page.
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Conceptual manipulation can defy logic on some level, Tier 1-A beings naturally do not care about logic, and are freed from it's basic definiton but however they are still bounded by the logic of their supreme being. Aka Tier 0. It/they created logic in their own sense of justice, which is why i disagree with your argument antvasima.Antvasima said:
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Tier-A beings by their given nature are dimensionless, and can manipulate logic and information on almost any level. Therefore i disagree with that writers recurrently ignore logic, because it's only consistent that they present their logic. Logic can be relative...Antvasima said:
So maybe tier-1A vs fights are a possibility, i dont see why not....
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My idea : put the threads on the Fun and Game board so people wont get confused and try to add them on the profile's wwin and lose section.
Hmmm...that sound unreasonable though....
Hmmm...that sound unreasonable though....
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Well, we are busy managing the content revision threads. The versus threads are not as important. In addition, most of us, including me, would have no idea regarding the speculative differences between most 1-A characters.
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I mean, there's no real harm asking hypotheticals on the fun and games board, I guess.
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I think that we have already written in the Versus Thread Rules page that 1-A fights are not allowed.
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Aren't they just not recommended? We can still judge off feats, at least for the ones that have feats
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Well, personally I find it impossible to gauge a tier for which the Lovecraft mythos is a good example of the sheer staggering internal differences between the characters.
Take High 1-B for example, the scale of the characters within it can easily differ in power with an infinity^infinity^infinity etcetera number of times, and the same holds true for 1-A, with the exception that the word infinity no longer even holds any meaning at this scale.
Take High 1-B for example, the scale of the characters within it can easily differ in power with an infinity^infinity^infinity etcetera number of times, and the same holds true for 1-A, with the exception that the word infinity no longer even holds any meaning at this scale.
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At the very least, a casual debate can still be had, even if it's acknowledged that it is difficult to determine exact placement between certain characters.
It's only once you move up to High 1-A and 0 that you reach no way of actually determining a victor due to the whole idea of those two tiers.
It's only once you move up to High 1-A and 0 that you reach no way of actually determining a victor due to the whole idea of those two tiers.
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Hence why in most cases it would be more casual than a full on vs thread, I would think.
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So, do you have any suggestions for how to reword our Versus Thread Rules?
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Well, we could change the 1-A there to "High 1-A", and add a sentence that goes something like, "In addition, while 1-A matches are acceptable, it is preferable if the participants are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the characters or franchises in question". Not sure.
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