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Is naruto universe level?

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I'm starting to see people scale naruto to kaguya who supposedly created mutiple worlds and I see people use star calc to say that naruto and sasuke were universe level, despite never actually being able to create/effect or destroy a universe...thoughts?
 
I'm starting to see people scale naruto to kaguya who supposedly created mutiple worlds and I see people use star calc to say that naruto and sasuke were universe level, despite never actually being able to create/effect or destroy a universe...thoughts?
That is wrong because they are assuming that kaguya's dimensions are universe sized with no actual evidence, at most you can say that it's a large star realm because it has a star in one of the dimensions.
 
It should scale if the power or energy they used t o create the realms they also use to fight.
🤔... I don't think so... For example If there is a devil fruit that's called create create fruit and that person can create anything inside of his dimension and bring it out into reality but he fights by creating bombs and or uses robot machines that he created, shouldn't scale to anything but an ability or a creation feat (or the thing he creates have their own stats, that works).

So if I created a character that's a human and has average human strength but can create a planet. I feel like that shouldn't scale at all.
 
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🤔... I don't think so... For example If there is a devil fruit that's called create create fruit and that person can create anything inside of his dimension and bring it out into reality but he fights by creating bombs and or uses robot machines that he created, shouldn't scale to anything but an ability or a creation feat (or the thing he creates have their own stats, that works).

So if I created a character that's a human and has average human strength but can create a planet. I feel like that shouldn't scale at all.
That's not the point. For example kaguya can create a star sized dimension with chakra, but she also uses chakra to fight, then she scales to that.
we need to prove it's not environmental destruction
Easy, creation is not environmental destruction bruh.
 
That's not the point. For example kaguya can create a star sized dimension with chakra, but she also uses chakra to fight, then she scales to that.
But isn't chakra kinda like stamina and you can output that stamina but they still have a limiter, on how much they can output... (for example having infinite chakra doesn't mean you have infinite speed or you can create anything since you don't/can't output that much... It would probably give infinite stamina tho) If they use chakra to create things that shouldn't mean they scale to it.... 🤷‍♂️
 
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Yes.
 
Um, did you just prove my point? They use chakra which is their own power to create star level stuff, they scale to it.
  • Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity. Insistence of this will be unappreciated.
 
  • Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity. Insistence of this will be unappreciated.
Isn't the reason they don't accept this in the first place is because kaguya used chakra from the alliance and not just herself?
 
Isn't the reason they don't accept this in the first place is because kaguya used chakra from the alliance and not just herself?
This is what it says on her profile

Note: The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball were rejected many times before. The primary reason is because this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke who only possess half of Hagoromo's chakra each.
 
This is what it says on her profile

Note: The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball were rejected many times before. The primary reason is because this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke who only possess half of Hagoromo's chakra each.
Yeah even though the alliance are like weaker and have less chakra than the nine tails who's like country level.
 
Scans that implies that destroying the gods are harder than destroying even stars,
This seems to be the only relevant thing for scaling
Demon King and Supreme Deity creation feat, which their use their own magical power etc
Doesn't NNT distinguish Magic from Strength in their Power Level thingy?

Like one is a measure of magical power while the other is a measure of physical ability.
 
Note: The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball were rejected many times before. The primary reason is because this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke who only possess half of Hagoromo's chakra each.
Naruto alone have more chakra than the Shinobi alliance
 
Doesn't NNT distinguish Magic from Strength in their Power Level thingy?

Like one is a measure of magical power while the other is a measure of physical ability.
They do, but they also use Magic to empower their physical stats, not all characters are like Merlim who have few physical stats but buffed Magic, most of the characters just empower theirself with magic
 
They do, but they also use Magic to empower their physical stats, not all characters are like Merlim who have few physical stats but buffed Magic, most of the characters just empower theirself with magic
So characters in any verse that have an in universe Power System means that their Creation Feats automatically scale to Physicals if they can use the Power System to empower themselves?
 
So characters in any verse that have an in universe Power System means that their Creation Feats automatically scale to Physicals if they can use the Power System to empower themselves?
Dragon Ball is a example to this except Shenron and others dragons, and we also have a lot of others creation feats that also applies stuff to their physicals due it being part of their own powers in others verses
 
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