- 17
- 0
A Spanish youtuber gave tests and analyzes why there are no infinite timelines in DBHeroes.
The Youtuber's channel.
His next arguments for why in Dragon Ball Heroes there are no infinite timelines are these:
"We have something from Shin Budokai where Cell states that the number of Worlds/Timelines is "Endless". However, the term "Endless" does not necessarily mean that it is something Infinite. If not it can refer to something Immense/Innumerable/Abundant etc.
And that is the most coherent thing to see. Since it is impossible for Cell to see or witness infinite timelines. The word "Endless" being the appropriate word to refer to the amount of timelines that exist in the Multiverse while talking to Trunks".
Then we have another proof from Budokai Tenkaichi 3 where Old Kaioshin says: "That the number of Worlds is infinite. As long as people still love Dragon Ball".
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/6d7615d7-527f-42df-bd61-ed20118cd314
悟空が見たのは、もしもの世界の ほんのひとかけらに過ぎない。= "Goku had only seen a small fraction of the worlds."
"もしもの世界は無限にある" = "The number of worlds is infinite."
"ドラゴンボールを愛する人がいる限り..." = "As long as people continue to love Dragon Ball..."
"The problem with this is the lack of context about it. Since it is not known specifically what he means by "The amount World is infinite, as long as words continue to love Dragon Ball". If you want to know my point of view, I think that simply the number of timelines expands infinitely due to certain circumstances.
And one of them is the fact that people keep on loving Dragon Ball, because there can't be something infinite if that something needs finite external actions to keep on growing."
http://prnt.sc/10mu0hh
http://prnt.sc/10mu286
"Later in Xenoverse 2, there are two statements from two time patrollers.
-One of the history of has no end.
-And another that this can follow an infinite path / possibilities.
The problem with this is that the infinity that people talk about. It is not the one they claim to be...
I explain it to you.-
https://prnt.sc/10mu90c
"-Infinite Possibilities -> Path(s)
Taken (s) (Via Constant Temporal Changes)
1st Path Taken = Chosen Possibility
Possibility -> New History
1st Story = Timeline-"
"-The Multiverse has an infinite number of possible outcomes, but a finite number of realized outcomes that are constantly increasing, but...as such will never reach true infinity.
It is simply an expanding Multiverse, but one that is not infinite in a literal way only that it is unlimited and will continue to expand through changes in history."
https://prnt.sc/10nr82p
https://prnt.sc/10nr5hv
https://prnt.sc/10nr8n4
"Although it may occur to some to use the dialogues in Japanese. Where it points to a "supposedly" different context.
Where it is said that "The story is infinitely branched" and that is why the terms timeline and possibility are interchangeable.
Which means that the infinite possibilities presented above already exist. Since Fu says he is going to explore them, implying that they can already be physically explored and therefore making the Xenoverse Multiverse have infinite timelines from the beginning without the need for changes in the story."
"The problem with that is that Fu can explore possibilities that already exist, not possibilities that are going to exist futuristically through further changes over time and claims otherwise do not pass with evading the burden of proof.
It was never said and is never implied that one of the infinite possibilities one can choose to create a timeline already exists from the beginning."
"And that fact contradicts the other things I will say next:
-Inquiring further about Fu. He makes another statement and this time he says "That History is not finite and is made up of countless events", and from the context of the talk they are branching timelines. The problem with this is very simple the term "non-finite" in this case does not mean that there are an infinite number of universes, simply that the number of universes is not established. It is a constantly expanding and branching number based on changes in time and decisions. It is not concrete...therefore it is not finite and will never have a fixed end.
http://prnt.sc/10opzmp
Add to that Fu's use of the word "Unaccountable". Which does not mean a literal infinity. It's basically the same thing Cell did."
http://prnt.sc/10oqeh1
And finally we have a statement from Dragon Ball Online saying "That apparently an infinite number of timelines have been created".
First of all with everything I showed above, you should already know that infinity in DBH in that case is expansive and not literal.
http://prnt.sc/10oqn06
And second I will definitely show you why there can't be infinite timelines in Dragon Ball:
-According to what was explained in Xenoverse, the job of the time patrollers is to correct temporal anomalies, which are subsequently sent for a Scroll.
http://prnt.sc/10oqr8a
However, even for them the amount of Scrolls must be finite, because if the amount of timelines becomes too full the Nest of Time will explode, even though it is a space that watches over the flow of the Multiverse itself.
http://prnt.sc/10oqygt
http://prnt.sc/10oqa0x
Yes... LITERALLY the game itself indirectly tells you that the amount of timelines must be finite and not infinite.
In short there are not infinite timelines, since timelines are created from the manual changes made by the time travelers, Mira and Towa. Being the time patrol the ones in charge of correcting those timelines.
"Another thing I want to clarify and that is...No.
Dragon Ball does not follow the Many Worlds interpretation.
-This belief comes from the scan you see on screen where Trunks states many futures are created by the smallest decisions, however such decisions are ones that can be made while one travels into the past, not decisions that anyone can make in any half of time.
http://prnt.sc/10pjzf8
In any case, why do you think that in the Main Universes there are only six timelines, when "supposedly" a single action even in the present creates new ones? It simply does not make sense.
http://prnt.sc/10pk3r8
With all that said, we only need to ask one question:
-Is Demigra a Multiversal+ character?
http://prnt.sc/10pkb35
The answer is...NO. With everything seen here it is easy to know why Demigra has the ability to affect a finite number of space-times and not infinite.
Now that we have disproved the infinite timelines, let's go on to disprove some additional things:
-A big hoax that many people buy into regarding timelines in Dragon Ball comes from the image they see on screen. What happens is that many people interpret that the room where Gowasu is is full of endless time rings, due to the amount of boxes in the room making the Universes have hundreds of timelines.
http://prnt.sc/10pkeii
"For as explained in Super, time rings are created from changes in History, thus generating Parallel Worlds.
http://prnt.sc/10pkkdr
http://prnt.sc/10pkmhq
First of all when Gowasu entered this room, it was a room full of many things it does not necessarily mean nor was it said that every box had time rings in it. The fact that one box had time rings does not mean that the others had time rings.
For Gowasu himself said that it is strictly forbidden to travel back in time to create timelines, it would be ridiculous to think that several people were creating new timelines from left to right.
In fact inquiring further from Gowasu he indirectly states that those boxes are not filled with time rings, as he said that the technological system advance to create a Parallel Timeline/Universe. It was once thought to be impossible for a species like humans to achieve.
http://prnt.sc/10pkuk9
However only one ring was created by humans.
Even Gowasu was surprised to find four rings inside the box, saying they were more than he had seen last time.
http://prnt.sc/10pkwtv
At the end of the Zamasu arc the number of time rings was six, until Zeno erased a timeline leaving only five rings.
http://prnt.sc/10pkz5l
After Mai and Trunks travel back in time, to generate a new timeline where they can live in peace. This should generate another time ring, making six rings in total.
http://prnt.sc/10pl18x
So...No. Universe 7 does not have hundreds of timelines, in fact the number of timelines does not even reach a tenth.
.
.
.
.
And that's all. What opinion do you give?
The Youtuber's channel.
His next arguments for why in Dragon Ball Heroes there are no infinite timelines are these:
"We have something from Shin Budokai where Cell states that the number of Worlds/Timelines is "Endless". However, the term "Endless" does not necessarily mean that it is something Infinite. If not it can refer to something Immense/Innumerable/Abundant etc.
And that is the most coherent thing to see. Since it is impossible for Cell to see or witness infinite timelines. The word "Endless" being the appropriate word to refer to the amount of timelines that exist in the Multiverse while talking to Trunks".
Then we have another proof from Budokai Tenkaichi 3 where Old Kaioshin says: "That the number of Worlds is infinite. As long as people still love Dragon Ball".
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/6d7615d7-527f-42df-bd61-ed20118cd314
悟空が見たのは、もしもの世界の ほんのひとかけらに過ぎない。= "Goku had only seen a small fraction of the worlds."
"もしもの世界は無限にある" = "The number of worlds is infinite."
"ドラゴンボールを愛する人がいる限り..." = "As long as people continue to love Dragon Ball..."
"The problem with this is the lack of context about it. Since it is not known specifically what he means by "The amount World is infinite, as long as words continue to love Dragon Ball". If you want to know my point of view, I think that simply the number of timelines expands infinitely due to certain circumstances.
And one of them is the fact that people keep on loving Dragon Ball, because there can't be something infinite if that something needs finite external actions to keep on growing."
http://prnt.sc/10mu0hh
http://prnt.sc/10mu286
"Later in Xenoverse 2, there are two statements from two time patrollers.
-One of the history of has no end.
-And another that this can follow an infinite path / possibilities.
The problem with this is that the infinity that people talk about. It is not the one they claim to be...
I explain it to you.-
https://prnt.sc/10mu90c
"-Infinite Possibilities -> Path(s)
Taken (s) (Via Constant Temporal Changes)
1st Path Taken = Chosen Possibility
Possibility -> New History
1st Story = Timeline-"
"-The Multiverse has an infinite number of possible outcomes, but a finite number of realized outcomes that are constantly increasing, but...as such will never reach true infinity.
It is simply an expanding Multiverse, but one that is not infinite in a literal way only that it is unlimited and will continue to expand through changes in history."
https://prnt.sc/10nr82p
https://prnt.sc/10nr5hv
https://prnt.sc/10nr8n4
"Although it may occur to some to use the dialogues in Japanese. Where it points to a "supposedly" different context.
Where it is said that "The story is infinitely branched" and that is why the terms timeline and possibility are interchangeable.
Which means that the infinite possibilities presented above already exist. Since Fu says he is going to explore them, implying that they can already be physically explored and therefore making the Xenoverse Multiverse have infinite timelines from the beginning without the need for changes in the story."
"The problem with that is that Fu can explore possibilities that already exist, not possibilities that are going to exist futuristically through further changes over time and claims otherwise do not pass with evading the burden of proof.
It was never said and is never implied that one of the infinite possibilities one can choose to create a timeline already exists from the beginning."
"And that fact contradicts the other things I will say next:
-Inquiring further about Fu. He makes another statement and this time he says "That History is not finite and is made up of countless events", and from the context of the talk they are branching timelines. The problem with this is very simple the term "non-finite" in this case does not mean that there are an infinite number of universes, simply that the number of universes is not established. It is a constantly expanding and branching number based on changes in time and decisions. It is not concrete...therefore it is not finite and will never have a fixed end.
http://prnt.sc/10opzmp
Add to that Fu's use of the word "Unaccountable". Which does not mean a literal infinity. It's basically the same thing Cell did."
http://prnt.sc/10oqeh1
And finally we have a statement from Dragon Ball Online saying "That apparently an infinite number of timelines have been created".
First of all with everything I showed above, you should already know that infinity in DBH in that case is expansive and not literal.
http://prnt.sc/10oqn06
And second I will definitely show you why there can't be infinite timelines in Dragon Ball:
-According to what was explained in Xenoverse, the job of the time patrollers is to correct temporal anomalies, which are subsequently sent for a Scroll.
http://prnt.sc/10oqr8a
However, even for them the amount of Scrolls must be finite, because if the amount of timelines becomes too full the Nest of Time will explode, even though it is a space that watches over the flow of the Multiverse itself.
http://prnt.sc/10oqygt
http://prnt.sc/10oqa0x
Yes... LITERALLY the game itself indirectly tells you that the amount of timelines must be finite and not infinite.
In short there are not infinite timelines, since timelines are created from the manual changes made by the time travelers, Mira and Towa. Being the time patrol the ones in charge of correcting those timelines.
"Another thing I want to clarify and that is...No.
Dragon Ball does not follow the Many Worlds interpretation.
-This belief comes from the scan you see on screen where Trunks states many futures are created by the smallest decisions, however such decisions are ones that can be made while one travels into the past, not decisions that anyone can make in any half of time.
http://prnt.sc/10pjzf8
In any case, why do you think that in the Main Universes there are only six timelines, when "supposedly" a single action even in the present creates new ones? It simply does not make sense.
http://prnt.sc/10pk3r8
With all that said, we only need to ask one question:
-Is Demigra a Multiversal+ character?
http://prnt.sc/10pkb35
The answer is...NO. With everything seen here it is easy to know why Demigra has the ability to affect a finite number of space-times and not infinite.
Now that we have disproved the infinite timelines, let's go on to disprove some additional things:
-A big hoax that many people buy into regarding timelines in Dragon Ball comes from the image they see on screen. What happens is that many people interpret that the room where Gowasu is is full of endless time rings, due to the amount of boxes in the room making the Universes have hundreds of timelines.
http://prnt.sc/10pkeii
"For as explained in Super, time rings are created from changes in History, thus generating Parallel Worlds.
http://prnt.sc/10pkkdr
http://prnt.sc/10pkmhq
First of all when Gowasu entered this room, it was a room full of many things it does not necessarily mean nor was it said that every box had time rings in it. The fact that one box had time rings does not mean that the others had time rings.
For Gowasu himself said that it is strictly forbidden to travel back in time to create timelines, it would be ridiculous to think that several people were creating new timelines from left to right.
In fact inquiring further from Gowasu he indirectly states that those boxes are not filled with time rings, as he said that the technological system advance to create a Parallel Timeline/Universe. It was once thought to be impossible for a species like humans to achieve.
http://prnt.sc/10pkuk9
However only one ring was created by humans.
Even Gowasu was surprised to find four rings inside the box, saying they were more than he had seen last time.
http://prnt.sc/10pkwtv
At the end of the Zamasu arc the number of time rings was six, until Zeno erased a timeline leaving only five rings.
http://prnt.sc/10pkz5l
After Mai and Trunks travel back in time, to generate a new timeline where they can live in peace. This should generate another time ring, making six rings in total.
http://prnt.sc/10pl18x
So...No. Universe 7 does not have hundreds of timelines, in fact the number of timelines does not even reach a tenth.
.
.
.
.
And that's all. What opinion do you give?
