Invisible Thing possible upgrade

[RaiserAIM]

Requires a theoretical max-value Magic God's attack to destroy Coronzon's temple, or enough power to destroy the world.

Index and Karasuma Fran viewed the entire battlefield while dangling from a large Bunny Gray balloon.
“I can’t ‘see’ it even from above. This is a level beyond a normal people-clearing field.”
“It isn’t that a wall is dividing world from world. Think of it as a created world being placed in between like a cushioning balloon.”
“You mean we can’t break through that without enough power to destroy an entire world?”
“You would need a theoretical max-value Magic God attack, or…”
“That recovered right hand?”
“…”
Hanging around that boy was not the only way to help.
In fact, Index could not fight directly, so if she was on the front line, that boy might end up focusing only on protecting her. They could never settle things with Great Demon Coronzon like that.
So she had changed her methods.
This was another way to help.
“So where is the Queen Britannia’s power source? If it uses the ley lines, we could temporarily cut off the line leading to the ship.”
“No, it doesn’t work like that. In fact, it’s trying to reach a specific point because that’s where it can access the ley lines most efficiently. It hasn’t reached that state yet.”
“Then what is it?”
“Great Demon Coronzon. She is using the power stored up inside herself. Her own power is more stable than using one of the weaker ley lines. And look how much power that is… She must be a transcendent lifeform belonging to a different pyramid than Michael or Gabriel.”
This was what she could sense from the outside.
Once inside that gray ship, she would be directly facing a being capable of supplying that much power. Could you even call that a magical battle? Most ceremonies simplified and symbolized the legendary processes, but a showdown against Coronzon would be much purer, more disordered, and more chaotic. Perhaps you could call her an entire legend herself.

- NT 22, chapter 4, part 4

And

“You can’t see in from outside and you can’t break through,” said Accelerator.
That temple could only be broken open with enough power to destroy the world.
However.
When dealing with true monsters, you could not call that an absolute barrier.

-NT 22, chapter 4, part 5

Even the complete Curtana Second's "all dimensions severing spell" can't do it.

They could see the gray heliport from here, but the view from outside meant nothing.
They could not see or interact with what existed inside.
That decagonal holy ground was a divine temple protected by a thick barrier, so not even a brute force attack could destroy it. Not even with the help of Knight Leader, Kanzaki Kaori, and Elizard wielding Curtana Second. They needed to follow a specific pathway through the ship to reach the temple and stop Coronzon.
In the worst case, they could sink the entire ship only to have the ceremony continue unhindered at the ocean bottom.

-NT 22, chapter 4, part 3

Touma destroying the above temple along with Coronzon that again, requires a theoretical max-value Magic God's attack to do so.

Kamijou Touma’s right arm was forcibly severed at the shoulder and flew through the air. Even if it functioned as a reference point for the world, it could not be converted into a destructive power once it was removed from his body. It could not punch Coronzon in the face anymore.
“!!”
The boy clenched his teeth as if restraining something trying to leave his body.
But…
“I cannot be stopped. I am Great Demon Coronzon, the destructive power that returns the world to its rightful circulation!!”
If she unleashed another Magick: Flaming_Sword from point-blank range now, it was all over. Kamijou Touma had nothing to defend himself with, so the rest of his body would be reduced to mincemeat.
However.
Magic was a technique of distorting the world’s causality for your own purposes. Its sparks and spray would eventually find their way back to influence the magic user in unexpected ways. An action taken to achieve a certain goal could end up crushing that very some goal in some hidden way.
In this case, that was seen when something burst from Kamijou Touma’s right shoulder with an unpleasant noise.
It was like dark red fish eggs. But that collection of perfectly triangular surfaces seemed to symbolize the artificial. Those artificial objects were like the polygons in a video game. They came in all sizes, they were connected together, and they moved like a single giant arm.
There was no pain.
This was what he had worked so hard to restrain. It was…
“Wha-…?”
There was a deafening straining sound. It did not just come from the shoulder where the arm had been. Kamijou Touma’s entire body gave off a great din that never should have come from a human. The control had shifted. Instead of the boy controlling his right hand’s power, the hidden power now raced throughout the boy’s entire body.
What was going through his head as his body moved against his will?
Or was he capable of taking an objective view of the situation?
“No…it’s going to come out… You have…someone to rely on, don’t you? Then go ask for their help, Coronzon!!!!!!”
What followed was a sticky sound like bursting bubbles.
The objects that resembled giant fish eggs made from triangular surfaces burst within as something else made an appearance. But this was not just one thing. That swarm was clearly larger than the boy’s own body. The boy was not controlling the power; he was hanging from the power. That was the symbolism here.
And.
And.
And.

-NT 22, chapter 4, part 21

It happened with a deafening roar.
There was also a blinding flash of light.
The temple was torn apart from within and the entire Queen Britannia was split in two.

-NT 22, chapter 4, part 22

so it's pretty clear that IT/Fish Eggs are at least H1C.

 

[Faisal]

Agree

 

[DontTalkDT]

Thing is: This is basically a forcefield. It's not that the temple is that durable. It's that a "world" is placed between the outside and the inside preventing any attack from the outside to destroy it, unless it's powerful enough to destroy the world in between.
Touma specifically destroyed the temple from the inside, so the "forcefield" that protected it from outside attacks was of no consequence.

 

[RaiserAIM]

Thing is: This is basically a forcefield. It's not that the temple is that durable. It's that a "world" is placed between the outside and the inside preventing any attack from the outside to destroy it, unless it's powerful enough to destroy the world in between.
Touma specifically destroyed the temple from the inside, so the "forcefield" that protected it from outside attacks was of no consequence.

Was it explained specifically that the temple only protects it from outside attacks and doesn't work when attacked from inside?

Wasn't it explained that Coronzon almost destroyed the temple from the inside using her Flaming_Sword right after it was stated that the attack was on par with Gungnir?

“Magick: Flaming_Sword. Manifest thyself through descent of the Sephirah and bathe him in thy power.”
Even if the direct explosion missed, the shockwave alone may have been enough to obliterate a human body. This attack seemed to forget Coronzon’s supposed goal of protecting the temple. If the target dodged it out of fear, everyone here would be killed and the temple made from a decagonal heliport would be split apart from within.

- NT 22, chapter 4, part 14

In other words it qualifies "Requires a theoretical max-value Magic God's attack to destroy Coronzon's temple."

 

[DontTalkDT]

Was it explained specifically that the temple only protects it from outside attacks and doesn't work when attacked from inside?

Given that it is described as a barrier that stands between the temple and the outside invaders, that much stands to reason. If you wish to suggest anything else the burden of proof is on you.

Wasn't it explained that Coronzon almost destroyed the temple from the inside using her Flaming_Sword right after it was stated that the attack was on par with Gungnir?

In other words it qualifies "Requires a theoretical max-value Magic God's attack to destroy Coronzon's temple."

How is the fact that the flaming sword was said to be able to destroy the temple supportive of your standpoint? That a magic god level attack can destroy the temple from the inside doesn't imply that a non-magic god level attack can't.

 

[RaiserAIM]

Given that it is described as a barrier that stands between the temple and the outside invaders, that much stands to reason. If you wish to suggest anything else the burden of proof is on you.

So when Touma destroyed the temple from inside, the "world" that was placed between the outside and the inside was disappeared because the source of its power was destroyed by Touma from inside, is that why you said Touma didn't actually destroy that "world"?

 

[DontTalkDT]

So when Touma destroyed the temple from inside, the "world" that was placed between the outside and the inside was disappeared because the source of its power was destroyed by Touma from inside, is that why you said Touma didn't actually destroy that "world"?

Yeah, that's one reason.
We also have few indications that the explosion extended outside the barrier to begin with IMO.

 

[RaiserAIM]

Yeah, that's one reason.
We also have few indications that the explosion extended outside the barrier to begin with IMO.

Wdym with "the explosion extended outside the barrier" ? So u agree that the explosion from inside has the same power with explosion extended to outside or the inside explosion is much stronger than outside explosion?

 

[RaiserAIM]

Yeah, that's one reason.
We also have few indications that the explosion extended outside the barrier to begin with IMO.

And wouldn't it be better to add an explanation about Fish Egg in Touma's profile? it's up to you to consider it the same as the Invisible Thing or not.