Intelligence versus Knowledge

[The_King_of_Prudence]

This has been nagging at me for some time, but why is omniscience used for intelligence, when it actually refers to a level of knowledge?

 

[Uradelbauer]

I've been curious about that too.

 

[DMB_1]

This has been nagging at me for some time, but why is omniscience used for intelligence, when it actually refers to a level of knowledge?

Because if you know everything, you are the smartest ever.

 

[Uradelbauer]

That doesn't mean you're the smartest

 

[DMB_1]

That doesn't mean you're the smartest

Yes you are. If you know everything, that means you know how to do anything.

 

[Uradelbauer]

True

 

[YungManzi]

TBH I don't think Omniscience should be given to anyone under 1-A and even then it should only apply to their own verse because Omniscience itself is a form of NLF that really only works in-verse. Because different verses have different laws which govern their reality.

 

[Reppuzan]

@YungManzi

It's entirely possible to be omniscient without being 1-A.

Ryougi Shiki's Void Personality is connected to Akasha and is explicitly stated to be omniscient in the narration and the official materials.

There's any number of ways to quantify intelligence, but knowing everything is pretty much the pinnacle of it.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@YungManzi

There are levels of Omniscience. I could be Omniscient, knowing all in the 3rd Dimension but know nothing about the 5th Dimension.

 

[YungManzi]

@Rep

Wouldn't that only be in-verse knowledge though? They can't possibly know everything about an entirely different reality.

 

[Reppuzan]

@YungManzi

Now you're getting into metafictional stuff.

You're right in that they probably won't know everything outside of their own verse unless specified in the story, but it doesn't change the fact that in terms of the story they originate in, they know everything.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

To quote Wikipedia: "Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including as one's capacity for logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, and problem solving. It can be more generally described as the ability to perceive or infer information, and to retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment or context."

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

There's any number of ways to quantify intelligence, but knowing everything is pretty much the pinnacle of it.

That is false. Let's say we have two omniscient characters, both know everything, but one may be better at applying that knowledge than the other.

 

[Reppuzan]

There's no meaningful way to quantify the application of knowledge outside of feats.

Could there be wiser people than an Omniscient, for sure. But at the end of the day Omniscience is still a measure of intelligence.

Who's smarter? The person who can apply knowledge to create countless new technologies or the person who knows literally everything?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

There's no meaningful way to quantify the application of knowledge outside of feats.

Could there be wiser people than an Omniscient, for sure. But at the end of the day Omniscience is still a measure of intelligence.

Who's smarter? The person who can apply knowledge to create countless new technologies or the person who knows literally everything?

The first one.

 

[Reppuzan]

By definition the person who knows literally everything knows how to do literally everything, so now you're arguing a moot point.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Can we at least have a note on the intelligence page, similar to omnipresence?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

We should probably close this.