I don't know how we treat Thanos' feat
I mean his speech makes it seem like he reduced them to atoms with his AP
yeah that's fair, plus didn't the avengers detect him letting out destructive energy when he used them for the last time to do that?
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There's no indication of that. He just said that he used the stones to destroy the stones and we canonically know of two examples of things attuned to the stones being able to destroy them. If they are 2-A no one would scale to their durability.
Do you agree with the stones having 2-A dura collectively?
Not really. I feel like it's more that Ultron always had the stones active more or less rather than their passive durability being that high.
The stones glow when Ultron uses them, they weren't active during the entire battle with the Watcher
What? They were active plenty of times in the fight. They visibly glow at multiple points and between scenes where you can see them have a lightning difference.
Yes, but that's pointless since if you watch the battle again you will see that when Ultron receives a shockwave or a blow from the Watcher the stones doesn't glow. For example here, Ultron is destroying multiple timelines with him and The Watcher being at point blank range from the shockwaves and the stones aren't glowing
The stones aren't always active since we can see them glow when Ultron uses them, and we know that the stones also glow when they grant physical amps thanks to Ronan, otherwise Thanos would be 5-C. Saying that the stones are always active is like saying that Ultron's hax is passive, or that each of his blows or energy attacks have hax with them
While I get your point here, Ultron did not destroy any timelines in that scene. He just changed them as an aftereffect. Nothing was destroyed.
That's my point. They're glowing and not glowing at random points and they don't glow when he clearly uses a Stone's power like when he grows to be the size of a galaxy. He can use them whenever, so comparing them to Thanos doesn't work in my view.
It's not, I said that Ultron just has to chose when to use their powers which isn't a passive ability. It's active thought.
They'd only have those abilities if Ultron wanted them to have those abilities. Ultron never uses the reality stone to effect anyone, only uses the Time Stone once, etc. He's terrible at using the stones effectively, but that doesn't mean he can't just trigger them whenever he wants to.
WoG stated that Ultron was punching across multiverses turning them into one messy universe soup. And even dismissing that there are other moments where Ultron is hit by the Watcher or a shockwave and the stones aren't glowing
We don't see all the stones when Ultron grows the size of a galaxy. But when he grows the size of a building and we can see all the stones they glow, specifically the Power and Reality Stone
Thanos can also use the stones whenever, the only difference between them is that Ultron activates them with a thought, since the stones are like a part of his body, and Thanos by using the gauntlet
Which occurred off screen.
This only further backs my point in my view. The ston3s are inconsistent but Ultron still uses their powers a bunch when fighting people.
Thanos must do an action. The point of the IG is that the stones are only triggered when you close your fist or snap. Thanos cried in pain from the power stone being touching his skin, he couldn't handle all of them being attached to his body like with Ultron
I'm pretty sure the statement refers to that scene as the statement says that Ultron is legit punching across multiverses turning them into one messy universe soup and in the scene Ultron is punching The Watcher warping everything around them
Not really? When Ultron grows to the size of a galaxy we don't see the stones glow because the stones themselves don't appear during the scene as they're covered by the galaxy. And I doubt that a single scene where we don't see the stones glow is enough to say that they're inconsistent in every single scene
Because that is a quality of the Power Stone, Gamora stated that it reacts to anything organic, Ultron's Vibranium armor isn't organic like Thanos
Technically the stones aren't attached to Ultron's Vision body, except for the Mind Stone the others are attached to his Vibranium armor, and we can see it clearly when Killmonger uses it
The scene only shows them breaking through timeline walls.
Exactly, he changes and warps but does not destroy. The crater Ultron makes by punching the Watcher is consistent through the reality shifts and gets bigger with every punch thrown.
We see plenty of times that the stone glows are inconsistent. They go from being fully active to non-active throughout both of Ultron's major fights.
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That still doesn't change that he can trigger any of them at will.
For example?
I just said that Ultron isn't affected by the Power Stone like Thanos because it reacts to anything organic, and Ultron's armor isn't organic. In any case, I never disagreed with Ultron activating the stones by thought, he himself says that he can destroy galaxies with a thought, but I don't understand what that has to do with your argument that the stones are always active when we can clearly see them glow when they are used, and so do when they grant physical amps. If you can prove that the glow of the stones is inconsistent with scans then I'll concede
Can I apply the changes now considering that the CRT is already over a week old?
Done, the thread can be closed now
