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Infinite Zamasu question

I'm not 100% sure if this is correct but I assume it's the same logic as infinity, Infinity divided by 5 is Infinity. Universes are an Uncountable Infinity so merging with even a part of them would still be merging with an Uncountable Infinity.
 
"Merging with part of it" was a statement that came when he was still in the process of it. But over time (Well it wasn't even that long) he eventually did merge with Universe 7 entirely. And he did fully merge with it before he started merging with other unvierse(s) including other timelines.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
"Merging with part of it" was a statement that came when he was still in the process of it. But over time (Well it wasn't even that long) he eventually did merge with Universe 7 entirely. And he did fully merge with it before he started merging with other unvierse(s) including other timelines.
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How do we know he merged with the entire U7 timeline though? Time travel in DB doesn't bring him to the past but rather to another timeline
 
honestly I argued for this but I don't really believe it anymore, but basically
since he was stated to be in the process of merging with the entire universe, and also he ended up in another timeline (although it's never shown that he did so through sheer size and not time manip) in the past
 
ZillertheBucko said:
honestly I argued for this but I don't really believe it anymore, but basically
since he was stated to be in the process of merging with the entire universe, and also he ended up in another timeline (although it's never shown that he did so through sheer size and not time manip) in the past
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Yes, but merging with the universe does not automatically means Low 2-C. He could might as well just merge with the 3-A universe

Zamasu also have time manip so he may as well went to the past that way. Also, Kai Kai allows the kai to go back to the past, so idk
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Yes, but merging with the universe does not automatically means Low 2-C. He could might as well just merge with the 3-A universe

And this is especially the case when Zeno wipes him out with a single blast (that doesn't destroy time since Goku and Trunks can go back to get Zeno later)
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well, you've got a point
unfortunately I think there's a discussion rule or something on it after last time so, that could be tough
 
Vietthai96 said:
No he didn't have time manip, the just spread himself through space-time distortion created by Trunks Time Machine
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But wasn't that rift closed though? Even if it was re-opened, that doesn't mean he engulfed the entire space time of his own timeline since the present timeline is a different timeline
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
But wasn't that rift closed though? Even if it was re-opened, that doesn't mean he engulfed the entire space time of his own timeline since the present timeline is a different timeline
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don't know, while Black stated the space-time rift closed and he can't go back to "that" timeline anymore, Trunks and his "friend" constantly using the Time Machine and go back and forth
 
Vietthai96 said:
don't know, while Black stated the space-time rift closed and he can't go back to "that" timeline anymore, Trunks and his "friend" constantly using the Time Machine and go back and forth
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Yes, but the portal was closed after few minutes, which is more than the time they fought against Fused Zamasu
 
Vietthai96 said:
we literally don't know, possibly Toei forgot that shit
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I mean, so we can't assume he opened it when it was already closed. Though we can't assume otherwise either

Still doesn't solve the issue of Zamasu needs to merge with all of time in his timeline to get Low 2-C
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
I mean, so we can't assume he opened it when it was already closed. Though we can't assume otherwise either

Still doesn't solve the issue of Zamasu needs to merge with all of time in his timeline to get Low 2-C
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I don’t know how but Beerus states that Zamasu merging with the universe was having affect on the past (the present timeline)
 
godofice said:
I don’t know how but Beerus states that Zamasu merging with the universe was having affect on the past (the present timeline)
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yeah, but still could easily be time manipulation
zamasu existing in the past doesn't mean much either, it's just using the same point in time that the time machine did, nothing less nothing more
I just think it's time manipulation at this point
 
ZillertheBucko said:
yeah, but still could easily be time manipulation
zamasu existing in the past doesn't mean much either, it's just using the same point in time that the time machine did, nothing less nothing more
I just think it's time manipulation at this point
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Pretty much. That's not enough for Low 2-C, especially when the present timeline isn't the past of Trunks' timeline, but rather a different timeline altogether
 
ZillertheBucko said:
yeah, but still could easily be time manipulation
zamasu existing in the past doesn't mean much either, it's just using the same point in time that the time machine did, nothing less nothing more
I just think it's time manipulation at this point
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Well If he exists in the past and future that isn’t time manip it’s omnipresence which is supporting evidence for him being 4D
 
godofice said:
Well If he exists in the past and future that isn’t time manip it’s omnipresence which is supporting evidence for him being 4D
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No it isn't, because the present timeline isn't the past of Trunks' timeline. It's actually a different timeline compared to Trunks' timeline
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Pretty much. That's not enough for Low 2-C, especially when the present timeline isn't the past of Trunks' timeline, but rather a different timeline altogether
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It kinda is the past timeline it’s a timeline that branches off of it but a new timeline all together due to the time machine splitting it into another timeline I kinda think of it like it was apart of trunks timeline but traveling back in the past split it from it and created a new timeline that doesn’t have the same exact events as it was intended to
 
godofice said:
It kinda is the past timeline it’s a timeline that branches off of it but a new timeline all together due to the time machine splitting it into another timeline I kinda think of it like it was apart of trunks timeline but traveling back in the past split it from it and created a new timeline that doesn’t have the same exact events as it was intended to
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It is still a different timeline though. In DB when time travel is done, the timeline splits into 2 different timelines, where the actions in one timeline no longer affect the original

That means that the present timeline is strictly NOT the past of Trunks' timeline
 
Time Manipulation is the ability to control time, but that's that not what Zamasu's doing. His mere existence was escaping to and affecting another timeline. I.e. time had to be involved when he merged with the universe.
 
BOEGVELD said:
Time Manipulation is the ability to control time, but that's that not what Zamasu's doing. His mere existence was escaping to and affecting another timeline. I.e. time had to be involved when he merged with the universe.
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Not really. 1) Time travel counts as a form of time manip, and 2) The merging doesn't have to involve time because the present timeline isn't the past of Trunks' timeline.

The present timeline was the result of Trunks going to the past to change his timeline, but in Dragon Ball, the act of time travel causes the timeline to split from the original timeline, and instead create a new timeline, which is the present timeline. Since that moment Trunks did the time traveling, the two timelines are NOT causally connected to each other, and thus, one is not the past or the future of the other

That would mean, that for IZ to get Low 2-C, he needs to show that he merged with the past of Trunks' timeline, not the present timeline
 
They're still timelines that you'd need to cross a time axis for to spread to. A 3-A body can't do that.
 
BOEGVELD said:
They're still timelines that you'd need to cross a time axis for to spread to. A 3-A body can't do that.
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so he opened a hole to the other timeline and leaked through it
how exactly is that not time manip? especially given that he hadn't even finished becoming the first universe at all, since technically he should have merged with every living and nonliving thing, even the air molecules the crew was breathing in would have been him, but he was already in the other timeline before, kinda showing that it's not even a case of "he'd become so big" but rather he actively opened a hole to the other timeline
anyways uh I'll be going now, I won't be an accomplice to breaking discussion rules even if they're wrong for existing
 
BOEGVELD said:
They're still timelines that you'd need to cross a time axis for to spread to. A 3-A body can't do that.
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Of course they can. You can affect multiple universes in only one timeline

Hell, the Angels are moving from one universe to the other all the time and they need no time travel for that

Destruction of multiple 3-A universes is just higher into 3-A. Again, without proof that Zamasu was merging with the past of Trunks' timeline, this isn't Low 2-C
 
ZillertheBucko said:
so he opened a hole to the other timeline and leaked through it
how exactly is that not time manip? especially given that he hadn't even finished becoming the first universe at all, since technically he should have merged with every living and nonliving thing, even the air molecules the crew was breathing in would have been him, but he was already in the other timeline before, kinda showing that it's not even a case of "he'd become so big" but rather he actively opened a hole to the other timeline
anyways uh I'll be going now, I won't be an accomplice to breaking discussion rules even if they're wrong for existing
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on second thought discussion rules only apply to crts
so let's keep complaining about it here
 
hm I’m confused how would you prove to be affecting space time in DB since it doesn’t work like in other verses what if they had a statement of effecting the Universe itself or something
 
godofice said:
hm I’m confused how would you prove to be affecting space time in DB since it doesn’t work like in other verses what if they had a statement of effecting the Universe itself or something
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You need to affect the entirety of time in your own timeline. Meaning Zamasu has to merge with the past in Trunks' timeline for Low 2-C to work
 
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