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Why not?a lot of P&A can't be explained easily in NA/T
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Why not?a lot of P&A can't be explained easily in NA/T
Bullet points will not work with profiles that have fifty-something Abilities in the one key that can't be divided into tabs. It would just be too long. (Also, personally, bullet points doesn't look as nice as a properly explained wall of text when actual brief explanations are given in brackets)
How would you put "Resistance to Fire Manipulation (Can survive fire attacks)" or "Breaking the Fourth Wall (Expressed annoyance at the lack of boss battles in the arena)" in NA/T?Why not?
I largely agree. I do think games from games franchise should be included in the reference; some franchises tend to have many games and without much knowledge on which game the reference comes from, it can take hours of research to find them.I agree with this. I think we should make references as close as mandatory as possible for things that are easy to reference such as books (chapters), comics (issues) series (season/episode number), etc. But make it non-mandatory/exclusion for things that are more difficult to use as reference, like games and films. However, if a game has levels or quests, or similar, those should be referenced. And if it's a big film franchise/anthology film, those should be referenced as well. Listing specific page numbers for books and timestamps for films shouldn't be a thing because it kind of depends on which version you're watching/reading from, so you can have disparity for what's shown, so that should be avoided. An obvious exception would be something like a web novel or something which is only one official point of reference.
DependsHow would you put "Resistance to Fire Manipulation (Can survive fire attacks)" or "Breaking the Fourth Wall (Expressed annoyance at the lack of boss battles in the arena)" in NA/T?
Even if it is in a page I don't really think it actually belongs there as it isn't really an attack or a technique but a property of the character. Besides I could keep coming up with stuff, either way the real point I made is that most pages elaborate in P&A, not NA/T, whether it should be that way or not doesn't really matter.Depends
I tend to link YT videos instead of just taking a GIF clip so people can skim around and check the context if they wantalso it's faster
Doing both seems like the best yeah. One is sure to not be taken down, and the other is extra-precision.I’d like that too. But some videos get taken down and we can’t control that. Which is why it’s helpful to have references, to easily find a way to back up links if they fail.
You can at least reference the game or the given name of the move if there is one.It's kinda difficult to do that for videogames though. For some of them you can do something like "Super Mario World, Castle 5 cutscene" but for something like a niche game mechanic you can't really source it unless you wanna go "Just hold guard while looking away from an enemy and hit the dodge button as soon as they hit you"
Sorry for a late response, sorry if we veered off to different points of discussion.References are desperately needed for a lot of pages I believe, and would be solved gradually I expect by encouraging more references be added.
On the topic of making pages more professional, I think that allowing pages to change the presentation of the Powers & Abilities section would be greatly beneficial in improving the clarity of those areas. A lot like how we do with the "Notable Attacks" section.
Imagine if the Notable Attacks section was structured like our current powers section and Goku's page looked like:
Kamehameha, Instant Transmission, Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, Kiai, Kienzan, Solar Flare, Telepathy, Mafuba, etc.
I'm not demanding we do a verse-wide overhaul, but stopping all pages from being forced to share the same wall of text format would be a boon.
That shouldn’t be an issue with Scroll Box.So long as the page isn't cluttered with references, of course.
Yeah, it should be mandatory for manga chapters, comic books and novels but in the case of video games it should be optional and not enforced.I'm not sure if a reference section should be 100% mandatory, but I personally think it's highly recommended for book verses, and for manga to mention chapter and page for each scan. The hard part is for video game verses, since most people would usually link to Let's Play videos and not sure if there's a place to reference source that. But there are ways to set up URLs to automatically go for the timestamp. Though, if it comes from an instruction manual, the page number can be listed. As for movies, timestamps are kind of hard to calculate sometimes depending on movie version and the like. But scenes could be sourced given that DVDs and Blue Ray typically have scene selection and the like.
{{reflist|2}} is usually far better for many referenses.That shouldn’t be an issue with Scroll Box.
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It is not going to be enforced exactly, as that is not realistic, but it should be very heavily encouraged to use references for the more important content of pages.How strict exactly is this going to be? Because would be asking a lot to expect me to through the hundreds to thousands of profiles i have made to add reference sections.
Also if i make a profile that has a ton of abilities, its not gonna have a reference section immediately, that would happen overtime, since that's a lot of work, granted i guess i could just keep it in sandbox until that's all ready.
Creating verses are time consuming, this is one more thing on top of it, feeling pretty unmotivated now towards creating entire verses that are gonna take a lot of time and nobody else cares for.
I definitely wasn't suggesting that it be a mandatory enforcement on profiles, but being a bit more flexible on that section wouldn't hurt.Anyway, it seems like Damage's suggestion about bullet point style powers and abilities sections has been rejected.
Well, as I mentioned earlier, it is not remotely realistic for us to go around deleting any pages that do not use references, but it should be extremely heavily encouraged.I don't really have a problem if its not gonna be enforced, just encouraged.
My concern really was how time consuming this would be, but if it's just a matter of referencing where like a massive ability like concept manipulation, plot manipulation, causality manipulation etc are from, and it's not a matter of reference where every single ability is from, and its a gradual process, this is fairly reasoning i think.
As long as we aren't being pedantic, demanding to know where minor stuff like fire manipulation or air manipulation are from.
Yes. Agreed, but it seems like other prominent staff members here do not think that it would be appropriate.I definitely wasn't suggesting that it be a mandatory enforcement on profiles, but being a bit more flexible on that section wouldn't hurt.
Some profiles would benefit from it and some would not.
First pages usually have worse problem than that.Just so I'm sure I understand correctly, even for profiles made in the future, we're not gonna be deleting them if they don't have references, right? Because that's a lot to ask of normal users making their first page, for example