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Hiiragi Seijuurou vs Tiamat (Fate/Grand Order)

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Seijuurou

Tier: Likely 7-A. Unknow with Harirankyu

Name: Hiragi Seijuurou, Seiji, Harirankyu

Origin: Senshinka
The absoulute mad man
The absolute madlad

Gender: Male

Age: 35

Classificatio: Human, One of the Six Forces, "Concept of Disease" (due to the countless diseases riddling his entire body and how deadly they are, he has been called of this as such), Tatari (As Harirankyu)

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Dream Manipulation, Technique Mimicry (replicated the fighting skills of Ayakashi, who is a master of Chinese martial arts with several hundred years of experience), Enhanced Senses, Matter Creation, Manipulation, and Destruction, Self-Resurrection (Can resurrect if killed as long as he wills it), Flight/Levitation, Barrier Creation, Regenerationn (Low-Godly, can regenerate so long as his will and soul are intact), Disease Manipulation, Durability Negation, Energy Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Reality Warping, Explosion Manipulation (Able to create powerful space rupturing blasts at any spot he wants), Pocket Dimension Creation, Non-Corporeal (Technically immune to conventional damage as he is nothing more than a dream), Can virtually annihilate anything (be it physical things, abilities, space, spirit, concepts, etc.), Weather Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (Able to warp space and emerge from it. Can also destroy it with his "magic"), Can induce feelings of anxiety and fear with his presence, possesses utterly immense willpower (Continues to live despite having a destroyed body littered with countless deadly diseases and other negative factors. His willpower is also such that Amakasu, whose will overcomes that of Alaya which, on top of being the source of all of existence and is the combined consciousness of all humans across all universes, past, present, and future, cannot break his spirit no matter what), Can deal mental, spiritual, and conceptual damage, Resistance to Mental(Able to resist Yurika's ability which allows her to passively rewrite minds over several kilometers with his willpower; even after the former was boosted with the blood of a Rosei), Spiritual (Kuubou's miasma, which has high soul and mind damaging properties and can rot anything in contact, did not affect Seijuurou at all. He is also unfazed when walking around Shinno, a being of pure malice who can corrupt souls, with no ill effects to his being), Material, Spatial, Temporal, and Conceptual Attacks. With Reverse Cross he can: absorb human beings, recreate beings he's absorbed (ex. His wife) as dolls that are immortal and heal even if they were ripped to pieces, steal anything from his opponents (i.e a physical body or body part, memories, feelings, experience, sense of crisis, abilities, soul, concepts, etc.) and swap them with diseases in his body in return.

Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Kept up and traded blows with Ayakashi, who was capable of easily punching through his barriers with a single blow). Unknow with Harirankyu. Can bypass durability in a number of ways.

Speed: Supersonic+ (Can boost his speed past the sound barrier with Kanten boosts, is able to evade many attacks from his so who is able to react to and dodge machine gun fire)

Lifting Strength: SuperHuman (Can easily lift up and toss Yoshiya with Kantan boosts, exact limit unknown)

Striking Strength: Likely Mountain Class

Durability:
Likely Mountain level physically and with barriers (His barriers are as heavy and durable as an entire mountain, and can take on Ayakashi who is capable of breaking through them); Regenerationn, resurrection, and the nature of his existence makes him difficult to kill

Stamina: Vastly Superhuman (Constantly endures having every disease in his body, which is so painful that an ordinary man would die in one second from shock)

Range: Unknown

Standard Equipment: None notable

Intelligence: Supergenius. Hiiragi is an incredibly talented and intelligent man, having mastered as many as twenty-five languages by the age of 16. This is partly due to the hundreds of thousands of human beings he absorbed. He has fully assimilated their collective experience and intelligence, allowing him to fully utilize every Kantan to their maximum potential. However, he doesn't utilize these abilities frequently and usually restricts himself to ones that boost his physical stats and explosive blasts. Hiiragi is also connected to a phenomenon known as "Essence of Experience". Along with his own intellect, this connection allowed him to memorize and replicate all of Ayakashi's (a master martial artist with several hundred years of experience) attacks perfectly with a glance. His experience in martial arts also allows him to switch through different styles while fighting to hinder his enemies' movements and read them to dodge or blocking incoming attacks. He was also the one who completed the Kantan Dream ability of Mononobe Kousen, pulling the powers of Gods from the universal unconsciousness of Alaya. He is also proficient in the use of psychological warfare, frequently taunting his opponents to make them feel disdain at him in order to activate his Kyudan.

Weaknesses: Those who see him as an equal (Amakasu Masahiko), "love him fully" (Shinno Akikage) or cannot distinguish between emotions (Nakiri Kuubou) can be immune to his Reverse Cross ability. His diseases are incurable and his body constantly produces new ones no matter how many of them he takes outs of his being (Though this works favorably against his enemies in battle). Despite his skill and potency with Kantan abilities, he doesn't use all of them very often and tends to restrict himself to only a few of them.

Feats:

  • Has lived for many years having countless diseases, ranging from brain tumors to stage four cancer, destroying his body prior to meeting Amakasu, who later gave him a more robust body to move around better in.
    • To note of how it was prior to his meeting with Amakasu, the diseases wrecking his entire body from the inside has caused it to to rot, his brain to melt, maggots making nests in his very own veins, his respiratory system failling to the point of making him not breath at all, his heart pumping blood at a rate that could make it pop like a balloon at any time, all of his bones being cracked and broken, and his muscles having become non-existent.
  • Traded blows with Ayakashi, a martial arts master with several hundred years worth of fighting experience, with nothing more than a strength increase while also learning every one of his moves with just a glance.
    • Said being is capable of breaking through his barriers, which are said to be as heavy and durable as an entire mountain.
  • Doesn't react in the slightest when being exposed to Kuubou's miasma, which can rot anything it comes into contact with as well as the mind and soul. Also casually walks around with Shinno, whose presence can induce feelings of despair and disdain to those around him as well as corrupting souls.
  • Defeated all of Senshinkan with one use of his Kyudan by giving them just one disease from his own body to each and everyone of them.
    • The effects of the members having suffered to them range from: Narutaki's blood vessels bursting, Ayumi suffering from constant vomiting and convulsions, Sera gaining bloodshed eyes and horrible headaches along with a brain tumor, Harumitsu having livid spots all over his body, Yoshiya with a bleeding retina, several missing internal organs along the remaining ones receiving ones having stage four cancer and an expanding stomach, etc.
  • Casually defeated Dan Karuma and Keira with ease using his Kyudan's ability to absorb them.
  • Resisted Yurika's Hadan, which can passively rewrite minds of other people from several kilometers away without the affected knowing, even while it was boosted by the blood of a Rosei (Rosei being those known for their immense willpower and control over all of Alaya).
  • Kept living on even after his body went into ruin from over-healing by Akira's Kyudan, which was potent enough to cure Seijuurou of all of his diseases (something that couldn't be done even with the use of medicine, magic, and reality warping).
  • His willpower is so powerful that even Amakasu, a Rosei whose willpower alone can overpower the entirety of Alaya (the source of existence across all humanity and parallel universes, past, present, and future), cannot break his spirit.
Notable Attacks/Techniques:

- Harirankyu:
Hiiragi Seijuurou's signature and most powerful ability. This power allows him to virtually steal anything from his opponents (be it a physical body or body part, memories, feelings, experience, sense of crisis, abilities (which he can use), souls, even something innate like the quality to become Rosei) while giving them in return diseases which pollute his own body (countless diseases that contaminate his body, ranging from brain tumors, last-stage leukemia, stage-four cancer, and other debilitating illnesses), these diseases can also corrupt the minds of their victims due to containing Hiiragi's own madness and despair from living with these diseases in his body, in addition to affecting and destroying the soul and are so potent that it can even corrode the physical world. All of these are also dreams themselves, meaning they can harm the opponent but they themselves can't block or defend against them if they don't have the ability to interact with the abstract.

This ability has two conditions that must be met in order for it to be active, which are that:

  1. Seijuurou must feel envy toward his opponent(s): which is constantly fulfilled due to Hiiragi's constant jealousy towards everyone and everything for his predicament, being envious of their healthy bodies, their skills, or other traits.
  2. His opponent(s) must harbor negative feelings for him. The moment one feels any hostility, anger, fear, or other negative emotion, Harirankyu will activate. As long as this condition is achieved, then distance and number of subjects around become irrelevant and unlimited (it also becomes more powerful if more people are present). However, the true root of this ability is what makes this ability fearsome. It is not just negative feelings, but any emotion Hiiragi interprets as such (i.e. mercy, pity, or compassion) or simply directing one's awareness towards him will activate this ability. Even hiding one's feelings won't work, as Harirankyu cannot be fooled by this tactic as Kimenshu, assassins who had their feelings sealed, were instantly absorbed by him.
Tiamat

Tier: At least 5-A
Tiamat FGO
Name: Tiamat, Beast II, The Primordial Mother

Origin: Fate/Grand Order

Gender: Female

Age: As old as Earth itself

Classification: Beast-class Servant, Divine Spirit, Mesopotamian Primordial Goddess, Facet of the Earth Mother Goddess

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Time Paradox Immunity, Shapeshifting, Size Manipulation, Immortality (Types 1, 2, 4, 5 and 8; Cannot be killed unless all other life on Earth is wiped out, and lacks a concept of death), Statistics Amplification (Can bolster her physical strength with her Monstrous Strength skill), Soul Manipulation(Can modify the Saint Graphs of Servants, who are spiritual beings), Mind Manipulation (All those who enter her Sea of Life are subject to a geas on the cellular level that makes them her minions and enemies of humanity), Invulnerability(Nullifies all attacks below a certain threshold through her Self-Modification skill), Conceptual Manipulation (Opposes evolution on a conceptual level, granting her resistance to any special attack or legend created in proper history), Can birth an infinite number of monsters from her womb and release an infinite amount of corrupting mud from her body, which is infinite in volume, Immunity to Death Manipulation (Does not possess a concept of death unless it is forcefully placed upon her by a being of great power) and Modern Weapons (Servants are Divine Mysteries that cannot be harmed by modern weapons such as guns, knives, or bombs unless they are infused with a supernatural aspect such as magical energy or possess a certain amount of age or mystery behind their creation), Flight, Energy Blasts, Bears authority and power over all those born from her womb (particularly heroes, gods, and humanity, making it far more difficult for them to resist her attacks), Supernatural Luck, Minor Fate Manipulation (Servants with B-rank Luck or higher can change their own fates to evade inevitable outcomes such as having their hearts destroyed by Gáe Bolg)

Attack Potency: At least Large Planet level (Gave birth to the Earth itself and all of its life forms, her data provided BB's power and authority as a facet of the Earth Mother Goddess. Easily fought Ishtar, who can fire the concept of Venus with her Noble Phantasm, and Quetzalcoatl, who can easily bat Ishtar's attacks around like baseballs. Although Quetzalcoatl was heavily weakened and half-dead during their fight. Her monsters are able to harm Kingu, who possessed the body and powers of Enkidu)

Speed: Massively FTL+ reactions and combat speed in her manifested form (Comparable to Gilgamesh and Enkidu at their peak, easily swatted away Kingu while the latter was using Enkidu's original body), possibly higher (Existed in a realm of imaginary numbers with no parallel universes), Nigh-Omnipresent otherwise (Exists across all of space-time)

Lifting Strength: Unknow (Is said to be a four-dimensional pocket filled with infinite mud)

Striking Strength: At least Planet Class (Is at least as strong as Quetzalcoatl, who can easily return Ishtar's attacks, including the concept of Venus)

Durability: At least Large Planet level (Even the power of other Divine Spirits like Ishtar and Quetzalcoatl can barely damage her, required the cooperation of numerous goddesses to throw into the Underworld, as well as King Hassa to inflict the concept of death on her, before finally being finished off by a full-power Enuma Elish from a bloodlusted Gilgamesh to be defeated)

Stamina: Virtually infinite (Possesses an infinite amount of True Ether)

Range: Planetary (If made to go berserk, she can cover all of Earth in mud within a day)

Standard Equipment: The endless amounts of monsters she bears in her womb, which possess her Authority of the Beast skill, An infinite amount of mud from her Sea of Life

Intelligence: Tiamat seems to lack a personality or intellect above that of her innate maternal instincts and desire to survive, with the only meaning to her existence being her desire to give birth to, raise, and love her children. However, she is obsessed with exterminating humanity so she can give birth to all life once more.

Weaknesses: She cannot step on land as the primordial sea of life. If she is somehow removed from Earth, her ability to remain living for as long as life exists on Earth will be nullified. Sufficiently powerful concept users can force the concept of death on her.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Class SkillsEdit

  • Authority of the Beast: As the second Beast representing the Sin of Regression, Tiamat possesses this Anti-Humanity skill, granting her authority over all humans and those born from them, including heroes, gods, and all life on Earth, magical or not. As a result, it is exceedingly difficult for them to resist her attacks. In addition, this skill is passed onto all of the monsters she gives birth to.
  • Independent Manifestation: The ability to manifest independently in the world without a Master. This allows her to summon herself to the Indian Ocean, which she overtook in a mere seven days and allowed her to birth an infinite number of demons and monsters to attack humanity. In addition, she exists across all of space-time and is immune to time paradoxes as well as instant death attacks. However, since the ocean is her body, she cannot leave it.
  • Self-Modification: Tiamat is able to modify her body however she wishes, taking the form of a seven foot tall woman with blue hair when calm, or transforming into her true form: a massive sixty-meter dragon that nullifies all attacks below A++ Rank, meaning that only the mightiest attacks can possibly harm her.
Personal Skills[1]

  • Monstrous Strength: An ability possessed by monsters and beasts of all kinds that allows Tiamat to further boost her already titanic strength at will. As the mother of countless monsters and a Beast herself, Tiamat possesses the highest possible rank for this ability.
  • Nega Genesis: Tiamat possesses a conceptual-level bounded field that overturns and opposes the concept of evolution and all predictions of Earth's genesis. As a result, she bears extreme resistance to any attack created as part of proper human history.
  • Sea of Life: As the second Beast and a primordial goddess, Tiamat is able to cycle an infinite amount of True Ether from the Age of Gods to sustain her existence and power her abilities for as long as she remains in the sea. In addition, she is constantly releasing a black mud into the area around her. All those caught and drowned in it will be forcibly modified to be able to shapeshift, transform and fuse with life, and multiply themselves. At the same time, the mud inflicts a geas on the cellular level that forces the victim to obey Tiamat and become an enemy of humanity.


Speed is equalised

Start 100m apart from each other

Location: Some random field
 
On a serious note, the question if he can trigger his Kyudan.

She's not mindless so it may work. Though i don't know how to she really acts
 
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ALRF said:
On a serious note, the question if he can trigger his Kyudan.
She's not mindless so it may work. Though i don't know how to she really acts
I've read both "works" (FGO is a shitty mobege that I spent more money on than I'm willing to admit) and thought this could be an intresting topic, doesn't seem like a stomp from the get go. I can think of arguements for both, but since it's my first time as OP, I'm not sure whether I can add my input. So I'm going to stay partial, but also putting down my thoughts on each argument presented.
 
Well first

Is there anything else Masada levels of broken about this guy apart from "you can't resist my abilities because by fulfilling x condition you agreed to be harmed"?
 
2-B resistances

Erasure with Cancel Dream Ruin Type

Instant teleportation with Cancel Dream Transmission Type

Space destroying blasts that can appear anywhere on space

But his most important stuff is his Kyudan
 
2-B willpower, Low-godly, Kantan dream ablities including Cancel (ruin might be the most dangerous), Attack, Magic etc. Those are the big ones, can't recall anyothers from the top of my head. If I recall, Seiji is maxed in terms of his ablities, well as far as a "regular" human can go.
 
Yeah, Yoshiya scanned him and it said he's "proficient" in all Kantan Dream.

Harumitsu Oosugi Cancel Dream feats can be used to Seiji since he should on be his level (10)

Harumitsu can use both Transmission and Ruin Type in conjunction, allowing him to bypass all forms of attack while hitting his enemies with an existence erasing attacks
 
There are ton's a discussion points. Will she activate his Kyuudan? How far will his stink affect a God? Can he take on her authority? How would he get past type 5. There are probably more.

Edit- Wait does type 5 not negate existence erasure?
 
He doesn't lead with those haxes though.

He mostly relies on his Kyudan. Albeit he will definitely use them at one point

@Yama nah
 
Well **** there goes the thought I put into this. Close this up, this was legitmately the only match up I thought would be a fair fight for Seiji. Thread lasted a grand total of 17 minutes. Better yet the basic Kantan abilites are ******* stupid, holy shit.
 
In some verses, existence erasure is a powerful ability, only to be given in the most dire of circumstances, with the greatest of needs.

But for Masada, it was Tuesday
 
Yeah, Kantan abilities are bullshit. Just even the basic ones are enough to end up stomping a lot of other opponents
 
>Will she activate his Kyuudan

If he hits her with dura ignoring attacks enough, he'll attract her attention, and then it's just "I don't like your attention, give me all your shit and have diseases"

>How far will his stink affect her

Stink?

>Can he take on her Authority

Probably, assuming 2-B willpower means anything other than having really strong willpower.

>How would he get past type 5

Ruin Dream, even if Kyuudan doesn't work.
 
For some reason, I'm not getting notifications for this thread, I need to keep refreshing the page to see what's been said.

Anyway, closing
 
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