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High 7-A REBirth Tournament Round 3 (Xiao vs Deku)

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Welcome welcome, to the tournament of heroes and warriors!
Follow along the fates of 16 remarkable
individuals from across space and time,
in this tournament of glory and honor!

In this glorious Round, on the Left: Xiao! On the Right: Deku!

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Deku usually starts with punches or kicks, it's either one and Analytical Prediction. Don't know about Xaio tho
 
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Xiao would start at base and try to blitz Deku with Lemniscatic Wind Cycling immediately, but after that doesn't work he would also study Deku's movements and attacks.
 
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And just a question, has Deku ever killed anyone, or is responsible for anyone's death? If he is then he would have karma inside him which Xiao can abuse for some haxs
 
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Deku never killed anyone and it's one of his principles to never kill anyone, so the Karma stuff can't be used against him.
Regarding Deku, he mainly fight using punches and kicks, but he have many resorces that he can use to obtain an advantage in battle.
In first place, thanks to Analytical Prediction and the limited Precognition given by Danger Sense he can evade most of the attacks that gets thrown at him.
He can also use Smokescreen to create smoke to partially blind him while he think of a tactic, and use Black Whip to restrain him thanks to a huge LS advantage.
His most useful Quirk in this fight would be Fa Jin, thanks to which he is able to charge himself with kinetic energy to boost his speed and his AP.
To win he can use the tactic he used against Lady Nagant, Smokescreen to blind him and then use Fa Jin to boost himself and then blitz him.
 
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With Fa Jin, Deku is able to accumulate kinetic energy during a fight and then use it to give himself a huge boost both in speed and power.
Against Lady Nagant, he was able to jump from a building to another to accumulate kinetic energy after he blinded her with Smokescreen, and the speed boost he gained was enough to blitz her.
 
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Deku isn't a slouch in skill and combat intelligence but if xiao does have 1000 years of experience then yeah he likely has the superior experience.
 
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Xiao might be more expirienced, but Deku have Analytical Prediction and Precognition on his side to even things up, so that wont be a deciding factor in this fight.
 
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Xiao might be more expirienced, but Deku have Analytical Prediction and Precognition on his side to even things up, so that wont be a deciding factor in this fight.
Wut? Sure precog and analytical prediction are good as hell, but to say it will somehow even out 2000 years of experience just feels really wrong.

How does his precog work, and I assume he was still hurt from time to time, so I assume it doesn't mean it will protect him from every hit?
 
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Is it one thousand or 2000? Also nobody claimed he was gonna dodge every hit effortless but it should mean he can keep pace with xiao (Precog + analytical prediction)
Wut? Sure precog and analytical prediction are good as hell, but to say it will somehow even out 2000 years of experience just feels really wrong.

How does his precog work, and I assume he was still hurt from time to time, so I assume it doesn't mean it will protect him from every hit?
 
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Xiao alongside the Yaksha has killed countless demons during his two thousand year lifespan, and is so skilled even other adepti with thousands of years worth of experience approach him for pointers. Not sure how that works in tandem with Deku's own analytical prediction and precog
 
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Xiao alongside the Yaksha has killed countless demons during his two thousand year lifespan, and is so skilled even other adepti with thousands of years worth of experience approach him for pointers. Not sure how that works in tandem with Deku's own analytical prediction and precog
To add more, Xiao fought the other Yaksha as well
 
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Xiao is also considered the best among the Yaksha's who are specifically trained for combat. he also has elemental intangibility and even while tormented by negative karma he still can perform at his best.

stamina wise if the battle gets too drawn out Xiao can outlast since both combatants are speed reliant and good at dodging

to add more the thousands of years of experience was when Liyue was also plague by multiple other Gods and cataclysm so it's gotta add a lot more for the skill
 
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Xiao should defintely have skill and experience and can likely blow away his smoke screen with his wind attacks, but precog + analytical prediction helps mitigate the skill advantage.
Not to mention grabbing a hold of Xiao with his Shadow whips once means he's getting incapped with that massive LS difference.
Leaning towards Deku for now
 
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Xiao has Elemental Intangibility to counter being grabbed, he can transform into wind energy to mitigate his LS disadvantage whenever Deku goes for a grab
 
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based on his profile, seems that Xiao can use the elemental intangibility only when he perform a certain attack
  • Lemniscatic Wind Cycling: Xiao's elemental skill, where he transforms into Anemo energy and lunges forward with his spear at blistering speeds.
 
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um no?
a lot of characters in genshin goes into elemental intangibility to dodge attacks or dash also when performing plunge attacks
its not limited to certain attacks
 
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Deku will be able to sense his attacks and evade them before they hit him. While using Danger Sense he was only hit by things much faster then him, if I am not mistaken. Xiao have definitely the skill advantage, but that is lowered a lot by the Precognition.
On top of this, Deku's speed boost through Fa Jin will make him so much faster than Xiao that it will blitz him, and his AP will also get incredibly higher. Thanks to the huge LS he will also be able to throw him around easily with the help of Black Whip.
 
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Deku speed blitzing due to the fa jin amp should be restricted, By the speed equalization rules, If the slower character wins because of a speed advantage that they normally wouldn't have outside of a speed equalized match then the match is invalid
 
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how long he can remain intangible?
Scaling to other vision holders, as far as we know, as long as he needs to. Childe was able to use it to escape a deep hole and fly away, Mona and Ayaka use it as a sprint and can cross long distances with it
 
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Deku speed blitzing due to the fa jin amp should be restricted, By the speed equalization rules, If the slower character wins because of a speed advantage that they normally wouldn't have outside of a speed equalized match then the match is invalid
Ah
 
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It does drain stamina in-game but using it in short bursts won't exhaust him, which is all he needs to escape potential grabs
 
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yes it would be restricted since Xiao has the higher speed before equalization

I mean Ayaka and Mona can remain intangible and not move in-game as well and it doesn't drain stamina that way iirc
 
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Does turning intangible drain his stamina in any significant way?
Doesn't seem so since other can use it without any sign of tiring, even less so on Xiao case considering he's constantly being stricken with pain and stuff for 2000 years straight without showing a sign of his combat effectiveness declining despite barely resting at all.
 
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They are pretty equal in ap, but his spear is stronger than him to an unknown extent (not likely to be ap stomp worthy), his ability also have some amp on them and a plunge with his burst would likely oneshot or leave Deku extremely damaged.
 
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They are pretty equal in ap, but his spear is stronger than him to an unknown extent (not likely to be ap stomp worthy), his ability also have some amp on them and a plunge with his burst would likely oneshot or leave Deku extremely damaged.
How about the precog + analytical prediction?
 
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How about the precog + analytical prediction?
It's useful but if Xiao see his opponent dodging every single one of his strike, i doubt he would just keep attacking and would more likely wait for a chance to blitz, worst come to worst he could just slowly wither Deku out since Deku can't really capture him (elemental intang, barrier, blitz out of the way, tp).
 
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i was referring to Lemanistic wind cycling btw which deals at least 252% total damage per forward plunge

the pogo stick plunge increases his damage by roughly 58% to 138% damage increase
 
Does anyone in Genshin actually use elemental intangibility to dodge? It’s a thing they can do but there are for more instances of characters not using it and getting hit.

Anyway assuming Xiao does use it to dodge then this should be incon. Deku will eventually adapt to Xiao at which point neither can reliably hit the other. Also what’s Xiao’s stamina in combat? Can he fight for a few days straight?
 
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It's useful but if Xiao see his opponent dodging every single one of his strike, i doubt he would just keep attacking and would more likely wait for a chance to blitz, worst come to worst he could just slowly wither Deku out since Deku can't really capture him (elemental intang, barrier, blitz out of the way, tp).
How's he gonna blitz exactly? And he doesn't have to restrain xiao since the gap isn't that big so his hits will damage xiao
 
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If he can attack while he's intangible then I don't really see how deku wins here unless xiao doesn't attack while intangible in character
 
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Well if Xiao can deal with Danger Senses then that shouldn't be a problem

The issue is Fa Jin, Razor just said above Fa Jin is basically speed-blitz worthy
 
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yeah the match will be considered invalid which is why it needs to get restricted
Deku speed blitzing due to the fa jin amp should be restricted, By the speed equalization rules, If the slower character wins because of a speed advantage that they normally wouldn't have outside of a speed equalized match then the match is invalid
 
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Does anyone in Genshin actually use elemental intangibility to dodge? It’s a thing they can do but there are for more instances of characters not using it and getting hit.

Anyway assuming Xiao does use it to dodge then this should be incon. Deku will eventually adapt to Xiao at which point neither can reliably hit the other. Also what’s Xiao’s stamina in combat? Can he fight for a few days straight?
He can still keep his combat performance at his top despite resisting his karma which cause him immense pain, continuously seeking out demon to kill while also barely resting for 2000 years straight so i guess he can go for more then 3 day.
 
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Barely resting for 2000 years will net you way more "very high" stamina which is what is on xiao's profile, unless by "barely resting" you mean he doesn't get 8 hours of sleep or something
 
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Barely resting for 2000 years will net you way more "very high" stamina which is what is on xiao's profile, unless by "barely resting" you mean he doesn't get 8 hours of sleep or something
He doesn't sleep and he only eat out of habit and taste then sustenance.
 
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He can still keep his combat performance at his top despite resisting his karma which cause him immense pain, continuously seeking out demon to kill while also barely resting for 2000 years straight so i guess he can go for more then 3 day.
Are there like scans of him stating he was never resting in those 2000 years, or do we just assume so? Can ya show me the scan?
 
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i think we are not focusing on the main point, will Xiao even hit deku?

even if he has analytical and Danger sense?
 
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i think we are not focusing on the main point, will Xiao even hit deku?

even if he has analytical and Danger sense?
Probably not, maybe 1 or 2 non lethal shot but that's it, they will be going on a who can last longer after that.
 
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"yet can perform at his best even though he often does not rest in his constant seeking and slaying of demons".

It's at the end.
That is incredibly vague and could just mean he's determined in slaying demons and he doesn't waste his time idling around. it doesn't mean he barely rested for 2000 years straight. Your statement made it sound way more impressive than what it should be
 
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Unless Deku himself has fought and out-analyzed the combat style of thousand year old warriors with heavy experience fighting demons and other gods, that's NLF
 
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Unless Deku himself has fought and out-analyzed the combat style of thousand year old warriors with heavy experience fighting demons and other gods, that's NLF
I don't think that's how NLF works. It's just analyzing a fighting style, it's not something that is physically impossible to do for him no matter what he does.
Even if he have thousands of year of expirence that doesn't mean that he resist Analytical Prediction. That would be NLF.
 
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That is incredibly vague can could just mean he's determined in slaying demons and he doesn't waste his time idling around. it doesn't mean he barely rested for 2000 years straight. Your statement made it sound way more impressive than what it should be
Yeah it does sound like I was wanking, sorry about that.

Anyway if you want a more clearer feat then Beidou who Xiao scale above is able to fight the Haishan for 4 days while on the sea so he can go for atleast that much.
 
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Yeah it does sound like I was wanking, sorry about that.

Anyway if you want a more clearer feat then Beidou who Xiao scale above is able to fight the Haishan for 4 days while on the sea so he can go for atleast that much.
Its alright.

Xiao scaling above beidou in AP shouldn't mean xiao also scales above her stamina.
 
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Its alright.

Xiao scaling above beidou in AP shouldn't mean xiao also scales above her stamina.
Kay.

Yeah sure, but honestly, i really don't know much about him, just goes by conjecture and thing that are more obvious. Anyway like i said, if you want more info about then wait for Sol cause he's the guy that made the profile, i don't have much else to say aside from throwing in a vote once the discussion is finished.
 
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Xiao absolutely should be above Beidou in terms of combat capability, including stamina, simply because Haishan is more or less comparable to the demons that Xiao has fought and slayed over the years.

Not to mention Xiao could manage slaying demons for thousands of years with little rest while also under immense physical strain due to the build-up of karma, it makes no sense to regard his stamina as inferior or regular for the verse, especially when comparing adepti to humans in terms of physical ability, the only way for Xiao is up.
 
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Xiao absolutely should be above Beidou in terms of combat capability, including stamina, simply because Haishan is more or less comparable to the demons that Xiao has fought and slayed over the years.

Not to mention Xiao could manage slaying demons for thousands of years with little rest while also under immense physical strain due to the build-up of karma, it makes no sense to regard his stamina as inferior or regular for the verse, especially when comparing adepti to humans in terms of physical ability, the only way for Xiao is up.
Why so? Just because he scales above in AP doesn't mean he scales above in stamina as well.

We already established how this is extremely vague, get a scan where it states exactly how low the rest he got otherwise we'll assume he just didn't waste his time idling around instead of actually not resting or resting minimally.
 
Beidou didn’t even attack Haishan for 4 days. She fought him (by fought hit him while he was tied down) for 10 hours straight. The battle at sea was 4 days in which she had her whole fleet.
 
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Counting on Deku outlasting is a reach, but Xiao also does need updating pertaining to his endurance and resistance to his karmic debt
 
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I'm going off of the profiles rn since I'm not caught up with the latest chapters of mha. "Extremely High (After the incidents of the Paranormal Liberation War, Deku is shown to be capable of defeating villains and traveling all across the country for several days if not weeks without having rested, while keeping Full Cowl activated at all times, displaying an amount of endurance comparable to All Might at the time of his prime. Even when significantly exhausted, Deku is still capable of fending off the combined efforts of Class 1-A)"
 
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Beidou is a human
Xiao is an adepti
him being superior is not because of AP but because of heredity since they are akin to Gods and Magical Beings not humans
 
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So reading over all this, does Deku have a win-con besides wearing Xiao down and killing him then, because I'll counter it in a few hours in a paragraph, but looking over everything i guess not? His only advatage here is broken precog, Xiao has literally everything else.
 
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