Hercules (Disney), Hades (Disney), Zeus (Disney), and Peagus (Disney) Downgrade

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Hercule's first key's attack potency doesn't seem High 4-C by looking at it

Hade's attack potency is false, "Should be comparable to other Olympians, who can apparently casually create constellations." we currently don't scale creation feats to physicals "Always viewed Hercules as a non-threat." Spoilers: Hercules defeated Hades "Broke the barrier Zeus created to seal the Titans" The barrier is unknown in size

Zeus's stats also need corrected seemingly "Easily defeated all of the Titans both in the past and in the present" the movie takes place long ago so we don't know if Zeus could do it during for 2021 for example, "Far stronger than Hercules, who lifted the Sun" Non-literal feat and apparently from I have heard Hercules did have trouble doing the feat, "He was never injured by the combined might of the titans" He got overpowered by some Titan magma last time I checked

Pegasus's attack potency seems wrong as well "Can harm Pain and Panic, who casually survived a fall from the top of Mount Olympus" I have no memory of the falling feat as I have only seen the movie and Pegasus was easily kidnapped by Pain and Panic which seems to debunk the scaling

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[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Also I have no clue what the replacement stats should be but there was a Aladdin crossover episode that might be usable some

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, the sun lifting feat if taken literally would only be 4-C at best; but it didn't even happen on screen by the looks of it.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

What should the replacement stats be?

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think should be done here?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not sure what other feats there are; but the sun moving does seem to have more baring on physical skills than creating constellations it seems.

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

Asked a friend about this and this is what he said

I see no reason why creation feats like that do not scale to physicality

The didn't view Herc as a threat part is bunk af though

and the barriers size doesn't matter when he still broke a barrier that held back the Titans, threats to all the gods of Olympus

so at the very least Hades is comparable to the rest

The constellation creation is not a creation feat
It's a TK feat
And there's no indication that the star lifting wasn't necessarily casual

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

I see no reason why creation feats like that do not scale to physicality

Standards also it could just be a special attack

and the barriers size doesn't matter when he still broke a barrier that held back the Titans, threats to all the gods of Olympus

Using your logic that wouldn't work due to Zeus easily sealing The Titans in the opening of the movie

so at the very least Hades is comparable to the rest

Didn't Aladdin easily beat up Hades in the crossover episode?

 

[Cyberblader90]

Why the heck is it a special attack? Its tk

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Not physical tiering

 

[Cyberblader90]

The op is incorrect. Zeus moved stars with tk, which is even referenced later on:

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Prove it scales to physicals

 

[Cyberblader90]

Hades confirms hercules lifted the sun, which supports physical tiering

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

And statements can support feats in this situation to back this up

 

[Cyberblader90]

The site already uses tk feats for ap. its just another extension of his power. you also erroneously claimed the site doesnt use creation feats for ap, which is incorrect. Several character use creation feats.

Creation | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Hades confirms hercules lifted the sun, which supports physical tiering

Not consistent enough, possibly a outlier/outliner, only a lifting strength feat, and was via unknown method

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

The site already uses tk feats for ap. its just another extension of his power. you also erroneously claimed the site doesnt use creation feats for ap, which is incorrect. Several character use creation feats.

Creation | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

Not for physicals as you want

 

[Cyberblader90]

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Mewtwo's last key for example

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Mewtwo

Mewtwo is a Psychic-type Legendary Pokémon. The story of Mewtwo has quite a few versions, but they all start off the same. Before Mewtwo, there was Mew, the ancestor of all Pokémon. On a day in July, the criminal organization found Mew, and managed to acquire one of its eyelashes. Team Rocket...

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Mewtwo's last key for example

Time for a downgrade then

 

[Cyberblader90]

good luck with pokemon

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

good luck with pokemon

I never said I was going to do it

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with scaling Hercules from lifting the Sun and Zeus from the power of his telekinesis.

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

Then VSBW will be the kings of downgrades if we do that soo....

I agree with Cyber FRA

 

[Cyberblader90]

as am I

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

Me too

 

[Antvasima]

So if we keep the Sun and constellation telekinesis feats to scale from, is there anything left to do here?

 

[Cyberblader90]

not really, you can close if you want

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

Pretty much

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.