Hax Removal from Alien X (Ben 10)

[ShionAH]

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; Alien X can change/manipulate mana, which is fundamental of the universe and can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims and change reality, laws, data, dimensions, causality and history, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality.)

This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".

• Power Bestowal (Ben does not need oxygen in the pocket dimension after his transformation into Alien X.)

Pretty sure this is because Ben is literally a counciousness there, I dont think he is actually flying in space physically. He wouldnt even be able to speak if that was the case

• Light Manipulation & Aura (Created and enveloped light around himself while flying)

I think the Aura needs some sort of use to be used, it doesnt fit any of the types afterall. It is also not Light Manipulation

• Hive Mind (Type 1; During his battle with the Galactic Gladiator, he created dozens of Alien X's himself, and these Alien X's all attacked Gladiator from a single mind)

Hive mind is more of an natural thing a character has, we dont give it to everyone who can duplicate (Ex: Bill Cipher)

• Resistance Negation against Technology Manipulation (Can bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation)

Its a layer, he didnt remove the resistance he went through it

• Limited Soul Manipulation (Created every anodite while recreating the universe.)
• Life Manipulation (Recreated the Universe and all life in it)
• Energy Manipulation (Generated purple energy waves while recreating "The Universe")

"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."

• Spatial Manipulation (During Ben's first transformation, the circle he created appeared to show his shoulders and facial features bent warp.)

That is NOT Spatial Manipulation, even if its REALLY limited

Thats all

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; Alien X can change/manipulate mana, which is fundamental of the universe and can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims and change reality, laws, data, dimensions, causality and history, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality.)

This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".

• Power Bestowal (Ben does not need oxygen in the pocket dimension after his transformation into Alien X.)

Pretty sure this is because Ben is literally a counciousness there, I dont think he is actually flying in space physically. He wouldnt even be able to speak if that was the case

• Light Manipulation & Aura (Created and enveloped light around himself while flying)

I think the Aura needs some sort of use to be used, it doesnt fit any of the types afterall. It is also not Light Manipulation

• Hive Mind (Type 1; During his battle with the Galactic Gladiator, he created dozens of Alien X's himself, and these Alien X's all attacked Gladiator from a single mind)

Hive mind is more of an natural thing a character has, we dont give it to everyone who can duplicate (Ex: Bill Cipher)

• Resistance Negation against Technology Manipulation (Can bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation)

Its a layer, he didnt remove the resistance he went through it

• Limited Soul Manipulation (Created every anodite while recreating the universe.)
• Life Manipulation (Recreated the Universe and all life in it)
• Energy Manipulation (Generated purple energy waves while recreating "The Universe")

"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."

• Spatial Manipulation (During Ben's first transformation, the circle he created appeared to show his shoulders and facial features bent warp.)

That is NOT Spatial Manipulation, even if its REALLY limited

Thats all

Everything looks reasonable.

 

[ByArrow]

Agree

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Seems fine to me

 

[ShionAH]

Fastest thread of the west

 

[LordGriffin1000]

All these removals look fine, unless the knowledgeable members can provide better justifications/scans.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Looks good.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Everything looks good, I agree.

Great work @ShionAH cleaning the verses up, I wished we had more debunkers on the site who are neutral in there targets...

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with the removals.

 

[Eseseso]

Looks solid.

 

[Planck69]

Yeah, removals make sense here.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Completely agree

 

[Eseseso]

I originally was going to note that the Alien X scan says he can use "any power", but WoG literally saying he cannot use mana IMO overrides a relatively generic statement from what appears to be a guidebook.

 

[NXCHT.66]

It is also not Light Manipulation

Why isn't it? The fact that he could create light or brightness while flying, I believe that alone is sufficient to qualify him for such an ability (Light Mani). Moreover, he demonstrated it again when attempting to pull the Galactic Gladiator into the black hole.

That is NOT Spatial Manipulation, even if its REALLY limited

So, how about changing it to 'Limited' instead of removing it?

• Limited Soul Manipulation (Created every anodite while recreating the universe.)
• Life Manipulation (Recreated the Universe and all life in it)
• Energy Manipulation (Generated purple energy waves while recreating "The Universe")

I agree that this shouldn't be listed separately. However, what do you think about changing it to be a sub of 'Creation Ability,' something like this, to specify what has been created and to make it similar to this.

• Creation(...)
  • Limited Soul Manipulation (..)
  • Life Manipulation (...)
  • Energy Manipulation (...)

Resistance Negation against Technology Manipulation (Can bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation)

But this will still remain, right?

• Limited Technology Manipulation & Power Nullification (Could nullify the Omnitrix's ability to transform Ben into different aliens)

I agree with the rest.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So, how about changing it to 'Limited' instead of removing it?

Because it's not a spatial effect at all. If it was something, it would be perception manip

But we wouldn't give someone with fire manipulation perception manip just because the heat of the fire is warping the air around it

 

[REX9097]

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; Alien X can change/manipulate mana, which is fundamental of the universe and can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims and change reality, laws, data, dimensions, causality and history, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality.)

This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".

This isn't about "manipulating mana" it's about "changing the fundamental of mana". Dwayne McDuffie literally says that Celestialsapiens are able to change the nature of mana.

 

[Robo432343]

This isn't about "manipulating mana" it's about "changing the fundamental of mana". Dwayne McDuffie literally says that Celestialsapiens are able to change the nature of mana.

dwayne mcduffie said gwen is tier 0 are u gonna believe that now

 

[REX9097]

dwayne mcduffie said gwen is tier 0 are u gonna believe that now

Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show, but rather it agreed with what we see in the show, as in the OV it was mentioned that Celestialsapiens changed the universe, and we see that this also affected mana, as even the realm of mana was affected.

 

[Chariot190]

I'd keep aura. Even if it's useless and dogshit, it do be a thing. It doesn't inherently have to fit under a specific thing, can just be flashy color, might have use somewhere even if it's omega niche.

Also goes withou saying his creation would need to be reworded to include all that if we're throwing it all under that given creating life and souls kinda relevant.

 

[Aolphl]

• Limited Soul Manipulation (Created every anodite while recreating the universe.)
• Life Manipulation (Recreated the Universe and all life in it)
• Energy Manipulation (Generated purple energy waves while recreating "The Universe")

"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."

You missed this bro, you need to remove these two hax:

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

The main reason he has these two hax is creation

Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show, but rather it agreed with what we see in the show, as in the OV it was mentioned that Celestialsapiens changed the universe, and we see that this also affected mana, as even the realm of mana was affected.

"Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show" that doesn't matter pal

Author statements will only be accepted when they clarify what has been shown or implied in the series itself, and will be rejected when they contradict what has been shown to the audience. Statements that technically do not contradict anything shown in the series will still be rejected if there is no evidence that they are accurate.

 

[REX9097]

You missed this bro, you need to remove these two hax:

The main reason he has these two hax is creation

The first “Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe.” is that establishing different laws for each universe is literally a Law Manip. Secondly, it can be compared to mana, which creates an entire dimension with different rules.

"Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show" that doesn't matter pal

Author statements will only be accepted when they clarify what has been shown or implied in the series itself, and will be rejected when they contradict what has been shown to the audience. Statements that technically do not contradict anything shown in the series will still be rejected if there is no evidence that they are accurate.

This is proven in the show, for example: In the UA, if Alphe Ruan are outside the Legerdomain, the Legerdomain would be destroyed, but in the OV, AN was outside the Legerdomain and nothing happened, and this is because the Celestialsapiens changed everything in the show, and this is confirmed in the show and confirmed by WOG.

 

[jgms2008]

hmmm sounds good, I agree with almost everything you said

 

[Aolphl]

The first “Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe.” is that establishing different laws for each universe is literally a Law Manip.

No reason for this

Secondly, it can be compared to mana, which creates an entire dimension with different rules.

Again, no reason for this

and this is because the Celestialsapiens changed everything in the show,

No proof for this.

Whatever you say, this crt already accepted by 5 staff, so arguing in here is doesn't matter

 

[REX9097]

No proof for this.

Here, and here