Halloween. Thorn Timeline gets rid of Youth Novels Timeline (another Michael Myers downgrade)

[Renitr]

SO

In current profile of Thorne Timeline Michael Myers there are feats that refer to Kelly O'Rourke books (Scream Factory; The Old Myers Place; Mad House) In particular, these are just supporting feats for Michael abilities and there is another feat from the Scream Factory book that giving to Michael possibly Class 10 lifting strenght. BUT. Can anyone prove the canonicity of these books in relation to Thorne Timeline??? Maybe I don't understand something, but why would the events of these books even relate to Thorne Timeline?

Seriously.

1. Michael's profile itself does not mention Kelly O'Rourke's books

Michael Myers (Thorn Timeline)

At the young age of six, Michael Myers killed his elder sister Judith and was placed into an institution. Fifteen years later, Michael escapes and returns home on Halloween to stalk and kill a fresh set of victims, focusing his efforts on Laurie Strode. Referred to as "pure evil" by his...

vsbattles.fandom.com

"Note: This profile covers Michael Myers in the Thorn Timeline. The movies in this timeline are Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers, and Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers."

In Halloween verse main page there is also no mention of Kelly O'Rourke's books being included in Thorne timeline.

Halloween (Verse)

For detailed information about this franchise, visit the Halloween Wiki Halloween is a horror media franchise. The premise of the series is about a superhuman murderer, stalking and tormenting a babysitter on Halloween night. While the franchise has gotten several different iterations, the...

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"Thorn Timeline: The first timeline in the franchise. The movies in this universe are Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers, and Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers. In this timeline, Laurie has a daughter, Jamie Lloyd, some time after Halloween II. However, Jamie is left an orphan after her mother dies in a car crash, making her the primary target for The Boogeyman. Michael's strength and resilience originates from the Cult of Thorn in this universe, causing him to kill his family members as a result of his ancestors thousands of years ago."

2. In fandom wiki
There is a page where all Halloween timelines are distributed

Timelines

While the Halloween franchise initially followed one specific timeline and continuity, after the creation of Halloween H20: Twenty Years Later those have multiplied. Halloween III is a standalone film, entirely unrelated to the story of Michael Myers and as such to the rest of the series, so it...

halloweenmovie.fandom.com

(Yes, I know not a particularly reliable and correct source. But even there it doesn't read that Kelly O'Rourke's books are included in Thorne Timeline)

There, Kelly's books are located in a completely different time line, which includes Halloween 1978 Halloween ll 1981 and Halloween 4 (Without Halloween 5 and 6)

From Notes of Youth Novel Timeline Michael

Michael Myers/Youth Novel Timeline

"I met this six-year-old child with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes; the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply…evil."...

halloweenmovie.fandom.com

By 4-6, it mean Thorn Timeline (it was just decided on this fandom wiki that 4-6 parts are a separate time line. Again, not a completely correct and reliable source)

• Some believe this is part of the same continuity as the 4-6 Timeline, but the novels only mention Halloween (1978), Halloween II (1981) and Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers and nothing else after 1988 though the books were published in 1997 and 1998, meaning this is likely to be a separate continuity with a different version of Michael.
• Unlike in the 4-6 Timeline, this version of Michael is not bound by a curse and might just be a psychopath who wants to kill his family and anyone in his way.
• Unlike other versions of the Shape character, Michael does make grunting and growling noises. This would not be explored again until Rob Zombie's reboot

It also says that Kelly's books are not related to Thorne Timeline.
Even if you look at the reviews of these books, you will hear that these books do not include to Thorne Timeline.

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6:10 to 8:06


As can understand, Kelly O'Rourke's books are related only to the first part of Halloween 1978. (And even not accurately and canonically)

So if no one can proof that Scream Factory, Old Myers Place, Mad House books are canon for Thorne Timeline

Then here are my suggestions:

1. Remove all feats related to Kelly O'Rourke's books from Thorn Timeline Michael page. Basically, this does not affect his abilities in any way. Only resistance to poisons will have to be removed.
2. Possibly Class 10 needs to be removed from his Lifting Strenght

 

[X_Squared]

Yeah after some quick searching, it seems like the novels are only making loose references to the Thorn Timeline, but are ultimately a different continuity with original stories. So I agree so far.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Since Halloween has no set canon other than the movie timelines, the last CRT concluded that as long as you can determine what timeline they're set at and that they have no glaring contradiction any EU material is useable.

The novels mention Halloween 4 and has no glaring contradictions that can't be explained afaik. So they're useable barring something new being brought up.

no one can proof that Scream Factory, Old Myers Place, Mad House books are canon for Thorne Timeline

They're officially licensed. So you have to prove they're non-canon and not the other way around.

 

[Renitr]

Since Halloween has no set canon other than the movie timelines, the last CRT concluded that as long as you can determine what timeline they're set at and that they have no glaring contradiction any EU material is useable.

The novels mention Halloween 4 and has no glaring contradictions that can't be explained afaik. So they're useable barring something new being brought up.

They're officially licensed. So you have to prove they're non-canon and not the other way around.

About glaring contradictions
7:07 for this moment in this video talks about the contradictions between the first book and Halloween 1978.

 

[Qawsedf234]

About glaring contradictions
7:07 for this moment in this video talks about the contradictions between the first book and Halloween 1978.

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[X_Squared]

Yeah, fair enough. Wish I could add something too but I'm not knowledgeable when it comes to these matters. But if the novels are fine after all, as per the rules, then it should be fine.

 

[Raincutter]

Any pre-2018 stuff just needs to composited atp

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Any pre-2018 stuff just needs to composited atp

No they don't

 

[Qawsedf234]

No they don't

Yeah like the timelines are a real canon thing. Halloween 4-6 cannot coexist with 7-8.

 

[Cropfist]

I do kind of miss when it was one page with keys for each timeline.

 

[Raincutter]

Yeah like the timelines are a real canon thing. Halloween 4-6 cannot coexist with 7-8.

There's like 3 timelines at this point even before the reboot
Thorn Trilogy
O Rourke novels
The comics which bridging Thorn and H20
Speaking of which, why isn't there a comics profile?

 

[Iceking_24]

There's like 3 timelines at this point even before the reboot
Thorn Trilogy
O Rourke novels
The comics which bridging Thorn and H20
Speaking of which, why isn't there a comics profile?

Not sure