Granblue Fantasy NEP for Avatar and Otherworld

[TheGreatJedi13]

a quick CRT to update NEP for Granblue fantasy as always
Black Background = Read from bottom to top

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Firstly Primal beast.

As explained by the Otherworlders. Primal Beast is created using The Essence of Sky-God (Sky-realms Core) and Astral-God (Astral Power).

First, we'll discuss Astral Power and Their Material Core​

Their Soul/Mind and Physical Body and even their Fate are all granted by Astral Power or also Known as the Power of Origination. This makes up their Physical Core.

Once the Astral Power and their Core is stripped from them, all that remains are their abstract concept without any form of soul or mind. this Essentially kills them.
And a statement from Zeyen who is a Sage who holds vast knowledge about Primal Beasts says that Primal Beasts are Materialized concepts. in a sense, Concepts are given material form.
Furthermore, it is stated that it was Astral Power that shape their consciousness, personality, emotions, and soul as those are built by the Astrals in their core as a form of Algorithm or sometimes merely a Byproduct of their overall creation.

The Core also contains all the primal beast's memories, emotions, and thoughts even their soul wherein destroying it will scatter it thus they cannot recover their form again after de-manifesting without Astral intervention.

TLDR: Astral Power = Material Core = Soul, Thoughts, Emotion, consciousness, personality, Algorithm, Fate, Physical Body, and Tangible powers

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Now the Sky-realm's Core or Sky Essence. The essence of the Primal Beast.​

Now Rosetta's explained that what is left of a Primal Beast after its astral powers and Astral Core is removed is simply their Essence.
This Essence would be The Sky-realm's Core or the Sky-God's power as explained earlier that it consists of 2 components with the Sky-realm's Core as one of the components.
Now This Essence can take on the form of abstraction, conception, mythos, faith, etc.
Sky-realm's Core = Sky-God's Essence/Power >= Abstract, Concept, Myth, Faith.
As if now it is accepted That this essence can take form up to Type 2 for being able to take the form of universal concepts such as History, Fate, thoughts, Elements that makeup existence, Cycle of Life, Death, and Rebirth, and even Nonexistence or Void itself.

As the topic is Avatar we will discuss him.
Although Simply calling him void isn't what makes him Nonexistent but the fact that he still exists despite having his core broken by Captain and Bahamut.
And Avatar's Power has the capacity to destroy Primal Beast that even Michael is wary of fighting against a remnant even with their regeneration the beast can ultimately kill her
Furthermore, his weapons talk about turning things into nothingness or void

In that scenario. Sky-realm's Core or Sky-God's power existing as deeper than these Abstract or Concepts would mean they are capable of affecting even concepts of such nature.

Sky-Realm's Core / Sky God's Essence >= Abstracts, Concepts = Void or Nothingness.

corroborating that information with Loki's explanation of Astral's Power of Origination is described as being diametrically opposed to the Destruction of Rebirth. turning Nothing into Something, 0 to 1.
Avatar Would get NEP Nature Type 1.

As Avatar has no will of its own. He would gain Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, & Aspect Type 1 and 3)

Astrals like Loki, Beelzebub, and Lucilius will also gain limited Fate manipulation by use of their Astral power to control the fate of their Primal Beast and their Creation such as Grancypher. They have never been shown to be capable of directly affecting the fate of things they did not create except by indirect means (creating a primal beast that controls the concept of fate which in turn can affect the fate of things for them)

Lastly, I also want to add Conceptual manipulation Type 2-3 for Primal beast. This is due to the fact that they are the concept themselves and they can freely manipulate their own concept to use as their powers but cannot destroy them

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Otherworldly Energy and Chaos
Specifically Beelzebub in his Chaos Body form

Chaos is often used interchangeably as Otherworldly power as Chaos originated from Otherworldly creatures who possess those properties that create chaos. it was even stated that Chaos and its material form that Beelzebub manage to procure are created from the thoughts of otherworldly being congealed into a crystal that coats Beelzebub's spear. but the properties of chaos are also present within Otherworldly beings.
It is also said that Chaos exists in direct opposition to Providence. Providence makes up the reality with Laws of Physics, Causality, and Logic.
Providence is also made up of other necessary components that upkeep the world. including Life and Death, Creation, and "Rebirth and Destruction". contrary to that. Chaos exists outside of these 2 oppositions of Creation, and "Destruction and Rebirth" which also makes up existence(Physical form, soul, consciousness from Astral Power) and nonexistence (Abstracts, concepts, Metaphysics, Logic, causality, etc). It is described as The Providence of Death or Death and Destruction. And when a Universe is split open for the Otherworld or Chaos to enter. It returns to the nothingness that is neither Life nor Death that affects even the Otherworldly mass and yet the Same Otherworldly mass did not die and was confirmed that it was a singular entity unlike existence in sky-realm with multiple alternate reality versions. furthermore, if spatiotemporal Reality is torn or stripped off what is left is Crimson Horizon, which Lucilius said is unadulterated chaos.
Lastly, the Chaos matter that Beelzebub pierced Sariel with erased the trace of Avatar's destruction and void which further support that it exists deeper than Avatar's Nonexistence

Spoiler: no aspect of soul

Otherworldly beings do not possess any form of the soul as they are already dead different from those who died and moved to the afterlife or do not exist as otherworldly beings are merely taking the form of the memories and data of those who perished and moved on to the afterlife and tries to capture those who border between life and death. thus they lack soul

Spoiler: No aspect of information

Aside from that. They do not contain any form of information to make up their reality that Ellis even with Hyperdimensional perception cannot see any information about them and they do not function on any preexisting framework of reality thus they lack information furthermore Ellis's hyperdimensional perception is able to perceive T axis which is the time dimension seeing how he also wasn't able to see any form of history or time from the target they are most likely nonexistent in history or do not possess any form of Spatial or Temporal properties

Furthermore. Wardant, a being who claimed to be the one who brought chaos to Crimson Horizon, cannot be analyzed by Kenji, and any attempt to do so not only invaded Kenji but also almost killed him and his Circuit despite it being unaffected even if the space it occupies is interfered with physically.
Furthermore in Spaghetti Syndrome, The Scalpel which Grace used to repeatedly cut off Otherworldly flesh started coating it with chaos similar to Beelzebub's Spear. and Isaac further added that beings who run under information and data are susceptible to chaos or otherworldly energy.

In addition to this Astrals who perceive reality as they change without being affected by them cannot sense anything from an Otherworld's Invisible Hand and is incapable of knowing that it is

Spoiler: no aspect of mind

They also do not have any form of mind in their purest form but because they are mostly utilized by entities with consciousness unless created as a tool like Otherworldly river who needs someone to utilize its ability else it will only freely rampage. Otherworldly beings who possess a mind of their own possess a core to make it up similar to primal beast. but unlike primal beasts, they are unnecessary for them to exist and fight. and for them to completely kill it Lyria needed to summon Bahamut.

BDE Type 2 and Regeneration For Otherworlders and Invisible Hand and possibly conceptless
As mentioned above. Invisible Hand is capable of surviving even a world imploding in a way that everything within it has returned to nothingness. that includes concepts of Time, Space, and History of anything within yet even without those things as the Invisible Hand survived and came back seemingly unharmed despite a visual showing of it being torn apart by said nothingness.
Lastly, it was said that they Transcend Space and Time and Dimensional Boundaries as long as Death exists in that Dimension. Even the figurative death of an inanimate Object. Pairing with Ellis who can see T-Axis with a hyperdimensional perspective only shows static white noise when looking at Otherworldly beings would make them lack Time as a whole

This also adds as a High Godly Regen for Conceptual and History Erasure for being able to restore its physical form back as if nothing happened.

And since he was erased conceptually alongside other concepts within that reality but returned as if nothing happened does it also counts as conceptless for being able to exist despite his concept being erased to nothingness?

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TLDR
Primal Beast gets Concept Manip Type 2-3 for their own Concept case by case now
Astrals get limited fate manipulation for controlling the fate of their primal beast
Avatar will gain NEP Nature Type 1 Aspect type 1 and 3
New Profile Invisible Hand and Otherworlders with High-Godly Regen and NEP Nature Type 2 Aspect type 1 2 3 4
Beelzebub Chaos body will gain NEP Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, and 4 scaling with Invisible Hand and Otherworlder's existence
Possibly BDE Type 2 for Otherworlders and Beelzebub

Vote

Agree - Elizhaa (Agreed with Type 1 [and the rest?]), Fixxed (Agreed with NEP Type 2 for pure chaos)

Neutral -

Disagree - Bobiscan (Agreed with their incorporeality meeting NEP type 1 criteria but not NEP Type 1)

 

[Hizack123]

Buff after buff lol

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

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[TheGreatJedi13]

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[TheGreatJedi13]

bump since the other one concluded I will focus on this while waiting for the tier 2 standard revision

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Yeah im gonna ask some staff if they can evaluate. Me versus the entire army of outdated abilities of Granblue

 

[Bobsican]

Let's see...
Well, I'm unsure on the proof for some uh... existencial-defining stuff that's bound to Astral Power.

a quick CRT to update NEP for Granblue fantasy as always
Black Background = Read from bottom to top

Uh... that's not visible in Dark Mode, so I'll just evaluate from top to bottom, unless you mean to some of the scans or something? If so, that's a wacky translation.

Firstly Primal beast.

As explained by the Otherworlders. Primal Beast is created using The Essence of Sky-God (Sky-realms Core) and Astral-God (Astral Power).

This is fine

First, we'll discuss Astral Power and Their Material Core​

Their Soul/Mind and Physical Body and even their Fate are all granted by Astral Power or also Known as the Power of Origination. This makes up their Physical Core.

The first link just confirms that without it they're "as good as dead" without their power, which is rather vague and doesn't confirm much either way, but the second link does confirm that a soul, existence and fate are bound to a core, and as for the third link, I wouldn't say it's also known as that, it seems to be portrayed as a derivative of it, which doesn't change much premise-wise here anyways, but still.

Once the Astral Power and their Core is stripped from them, all that remains are their abstract concept without any form of soul or mind. this Essentially kills them.
And a statement from Zeyen who is a Sage who holds vast knowledge about Primal Beasts says that Primal Beasts are Materialized concepts. in a sense, Concepts are given material form.

I suppose the incorporeality criteria for NEP is met with this (if they're in such state to begin with), and also the lack of a "concept" aspect (by default type 3).

Furthermore, it is stated that it was Astral Power that shape their consciousness, personality, emotions, and soul as those are built by the Astrals in their core as a form of Algorithm or sometimes merely a Byproduct of their overall creation.

Uh... anything to confirm these correlate to cores or similar? The first one doesn't seem to explain that (feel free to cite an earlier timestamp if that'd help), the second link is seemingly with no context whatsoever, and the third one doesn't really correlate Astral Power or similar to emotions (a soul isn't even mentioned here either).

The Core also contains all the primal beast's memories, emotions, and thoughts even their soul wherein destroying it will scatter it thus they cannot recover their form again after de-manifesting without Astral intervention.

Mind citing the exact part for the first link that justifies the claim? The rest isn't particularly of note beyond just supporting further their main being of sorts is bund to the core.

Now the Sky-realm's Core or Sky Essence. The essence of the Primal Beast.​

Now Rosetta's explained that what is left of a Primal Beast after its astral powers and Astral Core is removed is simply their Essence.
This Essence would be The Sky-realm's Core or the Sky-God's power as explained earlier that it consists of 2 components with the Sky-realm's Core as one of the components.
Now This Essence can take on the form of abstraction, conception, mythos, faith, etc.
Sky-realm's Core = Sky-God's Essence/Power >= Abstract, Concept, Myth, Faith.
As if now it is accepted That this essence can take form up to Type 2 for being able to take the form of universal concepts such as History, Fate, thoughts, Elements that makeup existence, Cycle of Life, Death, and Rebirth, and even Nonexistence or Void itself.

Sure, they can take up to type 2 concepts, but not by default going by how it's described, case by case per user on this area TBH.

As the topic is Avatar we will discuss him.
Although Simply calling him void isn't what makes him Nonexistent but the fact that he still exists despite having his core broken by Captain and Bahamut.
And Avatar's Power has the capacity to destroy Primal Beast that even Michael is wary of fighting against a remnant even with their regeneration the beast can ultimately kill her

Eh, he clearly still has a body, which is even the main way others interact with it to begin with, an argument could be made for type 3 NEP if it was at least intangible out of lacking existencial aspects, but as that isn't the case this'd just grant an immunity (out of lacking) to the stuff it lacks by lacking a core.

Furthermore, his weapons talk about turning things into nothingness or void

In that scenario. Sky-realm's Core or Sky-God's power existing as deeper than these Abstract or Concepts would mean they are capable of affecting even concepts of such nature.

As much as not all cores reach past type 3 concepts, I wuldn't scale this to anyone with a core. While that could fix some of the issues with NEP mentioned above, the key thing is to be intangible in some manner, without that NEP would be inappopiate to say the least.

corroborating that information with Loki's explanation of Astral's Power of Origination is described as being diametrically opposed to the Destruction of Rebirth. turning Nothing into Something, 0 to 1.
Avatar Would get NEP Nature Type 1.

Too flowery and vague, and wouldn't change much either way.
So yeah, I disagree with NEP TBH, but having resistances (or rather, immunities, as an immunity to soul manip is acceptable on the site by lacking one) for those lacking a core (if they were bound to one to begin with, I doubt everyone in the verse was bound to one to for starters) would be fine.

As Avatar has no will of its own. He would gain Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, & Aspect Type 1 and 3)

I'm fine with this lacking a will, but beyond that see the above.

Astrals like Loki, Beelzebub, and Lucilius will also gain limited Fate manipulation by use of their Astral power to control the fate of their Primal Beast and their Creation such as Grancypher. They have never been shown to be capable of directly affecting the fate of things they did not create except by indirect means (creating a primal beast that controls the concept of fate which in turn can affect the fate of things for them)

Lastly, I also want to add Conceptual manipulation Type 2-3 for Primal beast. This is due to the fact that they are the concept themselves and they can freely manipulate their own concept to use as their powers but cannot destroy them

The fate stuff is seemingly fine, as for the concept stuff, I recall there were prior scans being used before here for the whole NEP stuff, so I'm still fine with that in a case by case basis per user.

I'm not going to evaluate further as other stuff isn't really in my area, and it seems other arguments for NEP still rely on the above, so uh... yeah.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Uh... that's not visible in Dark Mode, so I'll just evaluate from top to bottom, unless you mean to some of the scans or something? If so, that's a wacky translation.

Scans with black background is read chronologically from the bottom (weird in game settings that cannot be changed). reading it from the top to the bottom is reading the sequences of conversation in reverse which causes things make different sense sometimes.

The first link just confirms that without it they're "as good as dead" without their power, which is rather vague and doesn't confirm much either way, but the second link does confirm that a soul, existence and fate are bound to a core, and as for the third link, I wouldn't say it's also known as that, it seems to be portrayed as a derivative of it, which doesn't change much premise-wise here anyways, but still.

Good as dead because without the Astral power they basically are just concepts/abstracts. meaning they are basically powerless and are simply something that exists.

I suppose the incorporeality criteria for NEP is met with this (if they're in such state to begin with), and also the lack of a "concept" aspect (by default type 3).

fair but they technically are nothing without astral power to make them exist as they are. if I were to make a key for that it would just be an Unknown tier with only 1 ability which is abstract existence because without power they literally are just a harmless concept/abstract hence I don't think they lack concept while existing with Astral Power. moving on to the next one

Uh... anything to confirm these correlate to cores or similar? The first one doesn't seem to explain that (feel free to cite an earlier timestamp if that'd help), the second link is seemingly with no context whatsoever, and the third one doesn't really correlate Astral Power or similar to emotions (a soul isn't even mentioned here either).

The part of Nezha kinda do lack some context. But the entire context I will summarize but I will so post the entire episode but with the time stamp leading to the quote
A summary is Nezha along with 3 other primal beast and MC are talking about primal beast and their history and experience. Basically, Nezha said they are something that cannot change beyond what they were allotted to them by Astral. including their personality and their purpose/reason for existence. they simply cannot go against that and will not change. This also leads up to how they are all immutable (unchanging) by nature or by default.

As for the limiters. This scan explains well enough what they do. they can outright remove free will and just make the primal beast think like a machine.
what correlates them to the core is core

Mind citing the exact part for the first link that justifies the claim? The rest isn't particularly of note beyond just supporting further their main being of sorts is bund to the core.

Well a bit earlier in the video. Freyr saw the damaged core of a primal beast that was recently destroyed and how it is no longer capable of regenerating itself back and the first link is basically the aftermath when the contents of the core started dispersing all around him.
Mind and Soul are interchangeable for Primal beast. some could argue they do not have souls because they are merely an algorithm in the first place and their sentience which is their mind and soul are merely byproducts of it as Beelzebub stated. and their core is their very life unless you wanna say their life has no soul which wouldn't make sense

Sure, they can take up to type 2 concepts, but not by default going by how it's described, case by case per user on this area TBH.

fair I was probably presumptuous here to give everyone Type 2 since not all of the later generations are actually Type 2.

Eh, he clearly still has a body, which is even the main way others interact with it to begin with, an argument could be made for type 3 NEP if it was at least intangible out of lacking existencial aspects, but as that isn't the case this'd just grant an immunity (out of lacking) to the stuff it lacks by lacking a core.

Do you mean the Shade? that's definitely not his body there wasn't even a sprite just a thick smoke to visualize him losing his entire body and cannot regenerate anymore. Do you mean his real body? yeah but the fact that he can exist as merely a nonexistent shade that still has his void powers after he was erased should grant him NEP Type 1 regardless of whether it is battle applicable or not. him still existing despite being erased or destroyed by Bahamut. Type 3 won't work because he wasn't able to escape to his nonexistent form like what Nature Type 3 does.
and like i said lacking a core their very life that makes their existence outside their concept and abstract.
It was even stated that the other primarch/primla beast resurrected by using the power of the void

I'm not going to evaluate further as other stuff isn't really in my area, and it seems other arguments for NEP still rely on the above, so uh... yeah.

thanks eitherway. input helped enough to see how the initial Post kinda lacks some strong argument that I should have brought up. Appreciated the time to evaluate

 

[Elizhaa]

If they predate reality or are independent of it, they should have type 1.
I guess these seem largely fine.

 

[Sniper670]

I kept reading it, as well as the scans, I didn't see nep 2 from any scans but somehow I see it as a proposition in TLDR?

Can you lay it down here where that comes from?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I kept reading it, as well as the scans, I didn't see nep 2 from any scans but somehow I see it as a proposition in TLDR?

Can you lay it down here where that comes from?

NEP type 2 is only for Otherworlders and Beelzebub. Because they exist deeper than Providence's nothingness which is Avatar and Void or straight up all of Sky's essence (because Sky essence Predates the abstract and concept that primal beast are built from including Avatar and void) which is what Astrals are capable of turning from zero to one and is diametrically opposed to it.

Kenji who is alive even before Sky-Realm is a thing also is incapable of defining Wardant who is part of Chaos in Crimson Horizon.

Moondweller technology of Automagod that can absorb and analyze and turn primal beast into data and even fought astrals also cannot describe or chaos is indiscernible to them as well.

Even if the entire reality of another Sky-realm was swallowed by nothingness that is neither life or death including all of its concept, time, space light, etc. The otherworlders returned from it.
Lastly in the Tower of Babyl which became insulated from all of Sky-realms reality because of Chaos is slowly creating paradoxical entities that isn't from any preexisting framework of reality. With one of the entity being both organic and inorganic. Sandalphon even commented if the being is even truly alive in the first place.

TLDR : Nep type 1 is encompassed by Providence that makes up and independent of sky realm's reality
Nep type 2 is the direct opposition to the entire Providence capable of erasing even NEP type 1 from providence and existing deeper than it for being not only indescernible but also capable of existing despite being swallowed by nothingness and returned to the Void that is neither life and death and is unaffected by it

Anyway its peak holiday week so i probably have no time to explain so i'D continue this when things settle down which is likely next month.

 

[Fixxed]

corroborating that information with Loki's explanation of Astral's Power of Origination is described as being diametrically opposed to the Destruction of Rebirth. turning Nothing into Something, 0 to 1.
Avatar Would get NEP Nature Type 1.

As Avatar has no will of its own. He would gain Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, & Aspect Type 1 and 3)

Astrals like Loki, Beelzebub, and Lucilius will also gain limited Fate manipulation by use of their Astral power to control the fate of their Primal Beast and their Creation such as Grancypher. They have never been shown to be capable of directly affecting the fate of things they did not create except by indirect means (creating a primal beast that controls the concept of fate which in turn can affect the fate of things for them)

Lastly, I also want to add Conceptual manipulation Type 2-3 for Primal beast. This is due to the fact that they are the concept themselves and they can freely manipulate their own concept to use as their powers but cannot destroy them

Its fine i think

And when a Universe is split open for the Otherworld or Chaos to enter. It returns to the nothingness that is neither Life nor Death that affects even the Otherworldly mass and yet the Same Otherworldly mass did not die and was confirmed that it was a singular entity unlike existence in sky-realm with multiple alternate reality versions. furthermore, if spatiotemporal Reality is torn or stripped off what is left is Crimson Horizon, which Lucilius said is unadulterated chaos.

Beelzebub Chaos body will gain NEP Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, and 4 scaling with Invisible Hand and Otherworlder's existence

Well if the chaos are nothingness, and that nothingness is not same as nothingness that describe by 0 to 1, then its fine for NEP 2

As mentioned above. Invisible Hand is capable of surviving even a world imploding in a way that everything within it has returned to nothingness. that includes concepts of Time, Space, and History of anything within yet even without those things as the Invisible Hand survived and came back seemingly unharmed despite a visual showing of it being torn apart by said nothingness.

New Profile Invisible Hand and Otherworlders with High-Godly Regen and NEP Nature Type 2 Aspect type 1 2 3 4

Surviving a void is just resist void, its not NEP. NEP is when you yourself is becoming the void it self. You are the nothing, not you surviving the nothing

 

[Sniper670]

NEP type 2 is only for Otherworlders and Beelzebub. Because they exist deeper than Providence's nothingness which is Avatar and Void or straight up all of Sky's essence (because Sky essence Predates the abstract and concept that primal beast are built from including Avatar and void) which is what Astrals are capable of turning from zero to one and is diametrically opposed to it.

Kenji who is alive even before Sky-Realm is a thing also is incapable of defining Wardant who is part of Chaos in Crimson Horizon.

Moondweller technology of Automagod that can absorb and analyze and turn primal beast into data and even fought astrals also cannot describe or chaos is indiscernible to them as well.

Even if the entire reality of another Sky-realm was swallowed by nothingness that is neither life or death including all of its concept, time, space light, etc. The otherworlders returned from it.
Lastly in the Tower of Babyl which became insulated from all of Sky-realms reality because of Chaos is slowly creating paradoxical entities that isn't from any preexisting framework of reality. With one of the entity being both organic and inorganic. Sandalphon even commented if the being is even truly alive in the first place.

TLDR : Nep type 1 is encompassed by Providence that makes up and independent of sky realm's reality
Nep type 2 is the direct opposition to the entire Providence capable of erasing even NEP type 1 from providence and existing deeper than it for being not only indescernible but also capable of existing despite being swallowed by nothingness and returned to the Void that is neither life and death and is unaffected by it

Anyway its peak holiday week so i probably have no time to explain so i'D continue this when things settle down which is likely next month.

That's fine for nep 2.

Merry Christmas

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Surviving a void is just resist void, its not NEP. NEP is when you yourself is becoming the void it self. You are the nothing, not you surviving the nothing

I'm probably not clear there but their NEP 2 nature is for their true form as otherworld energy/chaos and not their manifested form which they make tangible to interact with Sky-realm.
notable Otherworlds like Maxwell or Otherworld River can manifest themselves no matter how many times they are killed like this (from this point to the end) as long as they have a connection like a gate or the fact that someone/something died. Unlike Pawns who disappear and don't return
If their manifested form is erased but they can easily manifest themselves back as long as they have otherworldly energy they can draw out they will keep reviving then that is sufficient enough for High-Godly since The Invisible hand showed that they are capable of manifesting even if they were erased from reality as a whole

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to you too and
Glad to see you back.

 

[Fixxed]

I'm probably not clear there but their NEP 2 nature is for their true form as otherworld energy/chaos and not their manifested form which they make tangible to interact with Sky-realm.
notable Otherworlds like Maxwell or Otherworld River can manifest themselves no matter how many times they are killed like this (from this point to the end) as long as they have a connection like a gate or the fact that someone/something died. Unlike Pawns who disappear and don't return
If their manifested form is erased but they can easily manifest themselves back as long as they have otherworldly energy they can draw out they will keep reviving then that is sufficient enough for High-Godly since The Invisible hand showed that they are capable of manifesting even if they were erased from reality as a whole

Well if they form its chaos, or same like beelzebub, then i think its fine for NEP 2. If they not, like i say above its just resist void

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

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[TheGreatJedi13]

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[Elizhaa]

Since there were no replies for sometimes, and there seems to be overall approval, I think it is fine to make the changes.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I will work on it when i get the time then. Will probably publish a profile with it too. I'll reply once everything is done or if someone has contention