Goblin Slayer vs Shrek

[Digupthehatchet]

Goblin Slayer was able to defeat that ogre in the manga and anime. But what if instead of going to that underground cave, he ended up in Shrek's swamp? Let's say he has that water pressure scroll with him. And we're also talking about movie 1 Shrek because he hates people and shit.

Round 1 Normal 1v1 fight Round 2 Goblin Slayer has his friends from when he fought that ogre

 

[Mr._Bambu]

GS is pretty far into 9-B and has several noteworthy abilities held over Shrek, including range and healing.

So GS takes this, possibly an AP stomp. How far into 9-B is ogre?

 

[Insecurity97]

Shrek did set a ship on fire (and I'm pretty sure he caused it to sink too) just from throwing a champagne bottle at it without even trying

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Does he have a calc?

 

[Insecurity97]

No but I may request one

 

[Laughing_Manson]

How does GS deal with Shrek's durability?

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Hitting him? His AP is much closer to baseline 9-A than Shrek's baseline 9-B is to GS' durability. It's an obstacle, sure, but not so much that GS can't harm him.

 

[EdgarDom]

Goblin Slayer would have trouble getting through Shrek multiple layers, the problem would be surviving multiple strong hits from Shrek. Shrek would probably be as strong or stronger than the Ogre he fought, and Goblin Slayer only survived because he had the help of his party. Without scroll, I would say it goes to Shrek. Two or three hits would be enough to wreck GS.

If he has the water scroll then it's on favor of Goblin Slayer, since without partners he would be more cautious.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

"multiple layers" - > I take it all Shrek threads are memes then, yes?

 

[Boc1991]

I feel like Goblin Slayer should be able to take this due to higher intelligence and more versatility. I don't doubt he could harm Shrek either.

Goblin Slayer Low-Mid Diff

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Not to mention an absurd AP advantage. Pretty sure this is a stomp.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Agreed.

Also, please come let me know what you think here.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

So I guess this is settled then. All in favour of Shrek being the winner of both rounds?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Shrek screams and Goblin Slayer's helmet pours blood.

Yeah stomp

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Do the roar

 

[S.T.A.L.K.B.E.R.2]

damn i laughed out loud at this, also yeah shrek win

 

[Mr._Bambu]

This is a massive AP stomp if taken seriously so this is now in Fun and Games, meme away folks.

 

[Ugarik]

Does he have a calc?

Now he does

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Fair enough. If we're taking this as a serious fight, GS still has a 2x AP advantage, a range advantage with the bow, healing, and the ability to just summon an ocean on Shrek via the Gate scroll.

 

[Ugarik]

Fair enough. If we're taking this as a serious fight, GS still has a 2x AP advantage, a range advantage with the bow, healing, and the ability to just summon an ocean on Shrek via the Gate scroll.

GS doesn't have AP advantage because only difference between AP and Durability matters. GS is still most likely to win though (Not a vote)

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Er. Yes he does. His AP is 2x what Shrek's is.

 

[DMB_1]

Shrek has 9-A durability, apparently.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

"(Was fine after being tossed hundreds of meters in the air, and crashing through the ceiling of a tower made of pure rock)"

Pretty sure both of this would be 9-B since a terminal velocity fall is 9-B IIRC. Could be wrong I guess.

 

[Ugarik]

Er. Yes he does. His AP is 2x what Shrek's is.

Shrek's dura: 7 times GS AP

SG dura: 2 times Shrek's AP

This is why Shrek has AP advantage

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Except I'm pretty certain Shrek's dura is wank and isn't 9-A.

Assuming he fell from 200 meters (probably not), and Shrek weighs a fair amount more than an average human estimates here say 700 lbs, and I don't feel like trying to actually calc this since I assure you that it isn't 9-A, we get this.

PE = mgh = 622339.2 Joules. Wall level.

9-A Dura is absolutely wank.

 

[DMB_1]

I'm kinda stunned that the GS isn't Wall Level+ by how far he is into 9-B.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Don't think he's over the halfway mark.

 

[Ugarik]

Can anyone link Shrek room level feat? I want to calc it

 

[Litentric_Teon]

I have another Goblin Slayer match here if you all are interested.

 

[Ugarik]

Yep, Room level dura is absolutely a wank

https://m.imgur.com/u3CSno9

 

[Mr._Bambu]

So let's assume dura scales roughly to AP.

GS takes this with higher AP, better range, and various useful skills like healing.

 

[Wokistan]

The highest I've ever seen a fall count was from Space Marines falling from a planetary orbit with an above average gravity, and they weigh like a thousand pounds as is. A fall like that being 9-A for Shrek doesn't seem right.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Goblin Slayer so far has just been getting his ass beat by wall level guys. When he fought that ogre it took just one hit and he was out. Then in the manga when he fought that goblin champion again he was out cold when he went flying into that casket. In fact, in both cases he was barely alive and had to use potions and shit to get up. Shrek on the other hand casually throwing a wine bottle and smashing a ship with it, beating up trained soldiers for fun in a wrestling ring, and being tossed through that castle and just getting up with extremely small damage. Keep in mind Goblin Slayer wears armor the whole time and still gets his ass beat. If anyone is wanked, it's Goblin Slayer. Also if goblins are as weak as children, how are they able to hurt the adventurers? Even if they have weapons they are still as strong as kids, so the impact of the weapons shouldn't be a problem at all. Really at this point Shrek would not only beat Goblin Slayer's party, but that other ogre as well.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

...now see that'd be valid if

A. both feats hadn't been calc'd, and GS tanked the Champions attack which was at least 2x stronger than Shrek's

B. the title "Ogre" does not in fact make Shrek directly equatable to Ogres in the GS' own verse.

So no. Shrek is wanked for having blatantly false data on his profile. Try again boyo.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Why is this not F&G?

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Because it turns out it isn't a roflstomp. I'm sure it'll devolve into memes but until then I'll wait and see if I'm proven wrong.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

How is Goblin Slayer even 2x stronger than Shrek? Shrek can casually break a ship with a wine bottle, the best I've seen Goblin Slayer do is swing around his sword. There is no way in hell that guy can even hurt Shrek.

 

[Insecurity97]

Shrek FRA

 

[Digupthehatchet]

I forgot to mention that when Shrek fought those knights in Shrek 1, they were shown to be able to survive a huge barrel of pint falling on them. Shrek took them out with 1 hit each and he was just messing around. Goblin Slayer wouldn't be able to do anything like that. Don't forget they are knights, meaning they are properly trained soldiers and he toyed with them. I don't even know why Goblin Slayer is so wanked.

 

[Cronut]

I forgot to mention that when Shrek fought those knights in Shrek 1, they were shown to be able to survive a huge barrel of pint falling on them. Shrek took them out with 1 hit each and he was just messing around. Goblin Slayer wouldn't be able to do anything like that. Don't forget they are knights, meaning they are properly trained soldiers and he toyed with them. I don't even know why Goblin Slayer is so wanked.

This is from the Attack Potency page: "A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces".

GS never busted a wall physically, but he somehow was able to take Wall level damage, and he can harm those characters who can damage him, so he gets the scaling. I agree that he is weaker than the Champion (after he got hit once by the Champ he was very battered and could barely move ), in fact I would be okay with him not being scaled to the Champ, but he somehow was able to damage him and gave him a lot of trouble to the point where the Champ was desperately trying to get him off his neck (the fact that the Champion tackled him to a wall and GS still hanged on to his neck is also a durability feat ), so by that evidence he gets the scaling (even though I'm bothered by it).

The GS manga and the secondary manga that tells GS' backstory is filled with Wall level feats, so somehow it has consistency (not always though). In fact, I may have found a bigger durability feat for GS, but I feel like bringing this would be already exaggerating because GS shouldn't and wouldn't be able to survive that.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Him "giving him trouble" was just hitting him with a sword. And he used hair to strangle him which isn't an attack potency feat. After all, strangling anyone with a wire is enough to kill them so doing that to a goblin would be troubling for him. But you're forgetting that when Shrek destroyed walls or sank boats, he was not even serious. Shrek is a skilled fighter able to take on multiple knights who I'll say it again, were able to survive a huge barrel of alcohol falling on them. Shrek one hit KO'd each one of them while messing around. The hit Goblin Slayer took from the ogre and the goblin champion was an instant KO which almost killed him. Shrek on the other hand was sent through walls and tossed around and hit with a lot of shit only to get up immediately as if nothing even happened. Shrek can fuck up the entire party along with Goblin Slayer himself with ease. Right, there is also the fact that when Goblin Slayer fought with the goblin lord during that adventurer vs goblin war, he was getting his ass beat by him. And that guy isn't even as strong as the goblin champion. You can argue he was rusty after 1 month of not training, but then again, 1 month is an extremely small time for him to become that unskilled and weak. So yeah, RIP Goblin Slayer.

 

[Wokistan]

Get some calcs done

 

[Cronut]

I'm not gonna argue about Shrek's AP and dura because I know that he's strong and can possibly beat GS with ease, but what I'm arguing is the GS's (weird) scaling.

The giving him trouble part that I'm referring to is GS choking the Champion. You say it's not an AP feat because it's using the hair, but it depends of the context. For example, if someone who is way too strong is getting choked by a weakling, the stronger one could just grab the weakling and toss him around, but if the strong one cannot do that, it's because the other one has enough strength to stay in that position. The Champion couldn't toss GS around because he was using his strength to stay behind the his back, so the champ had to find another way to get him off quickly. He tackled GS to a wall. You can say that the tackle is weaker than the mace, but I can even argue that the tackle is comparable to the Champ using his weapon considering the strength and the weight added to it. And even after that hit he still had the strength to stay in that position. The Champ was getting really desperate because he couldn't get rid of GS (you can even read his bubbles saying "Why doesn't he die?" "Get off me" "Hurry up and die")

He didn't damage the Champion with a sword, it was a spear. The champ got his arm hurt by the attack and he was forced to drop his weapon. That is an AP feat. Like I said before, GS is weaker than the Champ, he shouldn't get fully scaled from him, but the fact that he did this to the Champ still remains.

The ogre is actually way stronger than the Champ (the ogre already defeated silvers before with ease). GS's body should have turned into mush from that hit. He was still injured from that fight during the Goblin Lord arc, and the Lord didn't easily beat him. GS also damaged the Lord while he was weakened from the ogre fight.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

I can see where you're coming from but the thing is Goblin Slayer hanging on the champion's back was like Chaozu when he hung onto Nappa. By that I mean it was a sort of cool never give up scene. As for the spear stab, it's not a feat. The spear is sharp and sharp things happen to be able to cut some stuff. Hell, you can cut wood with a piece of paper. And as for the fight with the goblin lord, he took a whole month of resting and healing and he even took some potions during the champion fight so he was in good shape. The only thing that was affecting him are his skills slightly deteriorating due to not being in action for a month. But his physical strength and stamina? They don't worsen in 1 month. They need at least 2 months before they start getting crappy. The goblin lord who ran away from adventurers who some were silver ranked was able to not only beat him, but send him flying a couple of times. If Priestess wasn't there to cast protection he would have died for sure. Shrek could uproot a tree, casually sink a ship with a wine bottle, break through metal doors with ease, knock out knights with one hit, and survive intense situations. I don't see Goblin Slayer beating him, let alone having time to use that water scroll. Hell, at this point him and his entire party would get slaughtered by Shrek.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

What

Alright, tell me, real quick, where do you live with woodcutters using notebooks as axes

And also, do you understand how the site works? He tanked the hit from the Champion, he scales enough that he has a pretty large AP advantage over Shrek. He has healing. He has range.

Shrek's most notable feat was sinking the ship, which was calc'd and is accepted at lower than what GS has. Shrek has no range whatsoever and has no proven accuracy with thrown items (in fact is notably inaccurate).

So the advantages held by Goblin Slayer are a higher attack potency, a considerable range advantage, the ability to heal, and legitimate combat skill. The advantages held by Shrek are none.

You're making pre-formed assumptions about the series and how you think to interpret things. 's not what we do. Shrek loses here in my eyes.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

By "tanked the champion" you mean "was instantly knocked out and on the verge of death"? Go on YouTube and watch shreks fight with the Knights and you'll see how he beats knights that survive a huge ass crater full of alcohol landing on them. You're saying he lacks combat experience? The dude has shown us on multiple occasions that he can beat the crap out of groups of trained soldiers like nothing. Also here are a few pictures that might change your mind

http://i.imgur.com/XeERXBX.gifv

http://i.imgur.com/8JnmtJs.gifv

https://youtu.be/T-zcYMniiPU

https://youtu.be/7vl2gNADuEA

http://i.imgur.com/Wy8VSsE.gifv

At this point I feel like you want goblin slayer to win because you prefer him over Shrek.

 

[Sago_Yoshi]

lol don't know if this is a joke or not

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Still not convinced? Check these then:

1) Shrek is definitely strong enough to stab a sword into the stone flooring almost down to the hilt.

https://youtu.be/4-N8CfNEErA?t=102

2) Shrek tanks a fireball and farts deadstops another from leaving the dragon's mouth. Said fireball can blast through rock.

http://i.imgur.com/hrKysUB.gifv

http://i.imgur.com/B8AzFlo.gifv

3) Hears some hundred yards away.

http://i.imgur.com/JtkWRYJ.gifv

4) His roar can extinguish torches, his fingers as well.

https://youtu.be/dJJGd736Eyw

5) His roar can push people.

https://youtu.be/2U-9adr5ulY

6) Easily moves a large rock.

http://i.imgur.com/yosCxti.gifv

7) Pushes Fiona away with only his hand and fingers, barely any arm movement. Keep in mind Fiona isn't a pushover either.

http://i.imgur.com/oOKdW3G.gifv

8) Lifts the gate with one hand.

http://i.imgur.com/gJi3rEE.gifv

Size of the gate.

http://i.imgur.com/oaGOrKo.gifv

9) Pushed a big boat accidentally, and smashes through it with a champagne bottle.

http://i.imgur.com/B0m9vuI.gifv

10) Shoulder tackles his way through a wall of compressed earth or something.

http://i.imgur.com/JYTL5EA.gifv

11) Casually lifts a carriage.

http://i.imgur.com/qy1RBE9.gifv

12) Caught the broom of a flying witch.

http://i.imgur.com/Oppy1zF.gifv

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Like I said, RIP goblin slayer.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The slayeris far weaker than the champion.

He got nearly one-shot by the two wall feats (Ogre and Champion). In the first case, he needed the cleric to heal him up with a potion.

In the second case, he's PTSD came out because one of his party members was about to be raped.

The champions feat is also done with an actual weapon and a proper swing, and slamming the slayer to the wall bey runnibg backwards should not be anywhere that powerfull.


Regardless of how I llok at it, GS does not have an AP advantage. He should also need prep for the ocean scroll, healing potions don't really heal him up that much (He's still half dead regardless) and his attacks should be weak enough to be more of a disturbance than anything.

Voting, as much as I dilike it, Shrek.


Assuming speed gets equalized and second round taken off.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

these are memes I'm 200% certai

GS has tanked higher AP attacks than what Shrek has ever dished out, has range, and healing.

What

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Tanked? He passed out both times, and needed healing to survive. He was only capable of keeping his consciousness because he's party members were about to be raped and he got a flashback to when he's sister got the same treatment, and even then the champions dura doesn't durectly scale to AP because it was using a weapon.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Took it uncomfortably, sure, but Shrek literally has half of the AP needed to do that, not to mention, again, GS' other advantages. By SBA, they start at max range, meaning GS really only has to snipe him.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Unconfortably doesn't begin to describe it. Being halg as strong as something that knocked him out is pretty damn good, especially without the cries of his party to wake him up.

He's attacks, like his sword, weren't even able to penetrate it's skin, so going for range won't really work that well.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The arrows would hardly do more damage than arriws did to Shrek in the film, they would hardly get deep enough in his fat to get anything vital, and would absolutly not go through it's bones or skull.

And GS isn't good enough in archery to snipe his eye, that's the elfs speciality.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

1. Shrek's dura isn't sclaed to his AP though, unless I'm forgetting something. Shrek was stunned by an attack ages below GS' own AP. GS could penetrate.

2. okay.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It is scaled to, it's how it works. Least you say that the champions attack isn't scaled eother (since it uses a weapon), which means that GB doesn't scale in AP to the champion even a bit.

I mean, the fact that his attacks can't really hurt then unless aimed for the eye should make that clear.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

No, it isn't. We don't automatically scale dura to AP unless we have a reason to (tanking hits from comparable characters)- we don't have that here. We do however have GS surviving (again, barely) an attack from a Champion.

See above, though. He can pretty easily kill Shrek.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Pretty sure he took hits from fiona. And the problem is that GB doesn't scale in AP to his Dura.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Bruh goblin slayer was knocked out and almost dead when he got hit by both the champion and the ogre. And how is his ap even more than shreks? Shrek instantly knocked out knights who survived a huge barrel full of alcohol falling on them (check Shrek vs knights on YouTube) while messing around. Show me actual feats from goblin slayer that aren't just you fanboying and prove me wrong. Did you even watch all the links I sent?

 

[Wokistan]

We do with physicals. Otherwise, GS'd tear his arm off when he swings his sword.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Goblin Slayer is inferior in both strength and durability. Hell, even in speed. Shrek would shit on him. I don't see goblin slayer dodging crossbow arrows at close range while carrying 2 people, or performing anything close to the feats I sent which I am convinced nobody bothered clicking on. Unless you provide me with visual evidence I'm not believing anything anyone says.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

We do with physicals. Otherwise, GS'd tear his arm off when he swings his sword.

I mean, that diesn't work the other way around, and his AP has been shown to not work on the enemies that knocked him out on hit.

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah AP doesn't scale to durability by default, but durability does to AP unless it's not physical or the verse explicitly days they're not. Look at Kharn, with his durability thousands of times higher than his AP.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes. The priblem here is that people twice as strong as shrek were only hurt by GB only due to either an item he needs prep for or being strangled. Shrek would at the very least have a major AP advantage.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Goblin Slayer defeated that champion and the ogre not by strength, but by dirty tricks and tactics. He stabbed the ogre's face after using the scroll and choked the champion with hair. He used weapons in both cases. Similar to how batman beat superman by having the advantage of tools and shit. As I said before, show me pictures that contain goblin slayer's feats and prove me wrong. Using tricks isn't an AP thing. And besides, if anything, Shrek would instantly knock him out without giving him a chance to use traps. He isn't the type of guy who plays around like Goku or Vegeta. And this goes for his whole party as well. They get slaughtered.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

By being smarter than them. Shrek isn't exactly a genius. Additionally, being able to damage them IS an AP thing. And the picture is on his calc blog.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He was unable to do so normally tough... He had to hit weakspots and strangle, both of which are far below stuff like that.

And again, without his party members being nearly raped he would stay uncnscious after a few hits, and none of his ranged stuff can really hurt shrek beyond maybe small cuts.

 

[Cronut]

I had to watch the Shrek movies again, and right now I can say that yeah, Shrek has the AP advantage. Some hours ago I also read the recent novel that tells GS's backstory and it has been stated that his stats are average, except for his Vitality (might be a mistranslation but I think vitality means Constitution in D&D terms), so his durability is above his AP. Considering this and the champion fight and how he survived it, he might not be able to harm Shrek as much as he can do to him.

Remember when I said above about something about a feat that the Ogre did and that GS shouldn't have survived that? He destroyed a bigger pillar than the champion's calc on the wiki. This most likely will yield a bigger number than the calc used before, but the question is: Should this scale to GS's dura? Most likely not since he could barely move after this hit . The only thing for sure that would scale would be the Ogre (if it gets a profile on this wiki) and, of course, the magic scroll. This could give us at least how strong is the water jet cutter GS made.

Should that change the outcome of this fight? Maybe yes, maybe not, but I'm leaving this for now.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

1. Yes, that would scale to the dura, it would just translate to the max he could tank and live.

2. I'm unsure if it would change anything.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Well more proof showing that goblin slayer would get shrek't if he tried messing with Shrek. Now I want to point out something. Shrek isn't a genius like you mentioned, he is however a great fighter and knows his shit. He has been shown in multiple fight scenes throughout all 4 movies to be pretty skilled. As I said before, if goblin slayer and his party came across Shrek in that cave rather than the other ogre, I guarantee you they would hey slaughtered. Shrek won't even give them a chance to pull out their shit. He instantly knocks them out like he has done time and time again with knights.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

"great fighter"

"knows his shit"

First off, this sounds like the level of meme-age that came from that Thomas the Tank Engine guy, just pointing THAT out.

Second off, what? Wasn't he dwarfed when he met the actual soldier ogres?

Most of your points are "I guarantee you they'd be slaughtered". You don't have actual evidence and aren't debating, just saying "Shrek would win".

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It shouldn't scale. The hit that the ogre hit GS with did not compare to the one that destroyed the pillar. It was an upward hit that it did far more casually.

Only lizard kin should somewhat scale if it comes diwn to it.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

"great fighter"

"knows his shit"

First off, this sounds like the level of meme-age that came from that Thomas the Tank Engine guy, just pointing THAT out.

Second off, what? Wasn't he dwarfed when he met the actual soldier ogres?

Most of your points are "I guarantee you they'd be slaughtered". You don't have actual evidence and aren't debating, just saying "Shrek would win".

I don't know who you're talking about but listen, every single fight scene involving Shrek was him kicking ass and butchering people. If you scroll up and click the links I sent you'll see for yourself. As for him being shorter than the other warrior ogres, this just goes to show how much stronger those ogres are in comparison to that goblin slayer guy. If Shrek who was never a soldier all his life was able to fight like a pro and deal tons of damage, imagine those trained ogres. You're saying I don't have evidence? Go click the links I sent above before you run your mouth.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

I don't remember the name of the guy, and while you are more legitimate it's just the no pfp and the high praise of the given character.

Anyhoo, the points aren't very good. "Bigger = Stronger" when this isn't always the case. And... yeah, he clobbers normal guards. As in humans. Not GS. That isn't evidence, that's plot.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The point is, his AP does not scale to his dura.

And he lacks proper AP feats (sure, he has 9-B regrdless for effortless decapitations and all that, but point still stands)

Shrek is merely half as strong as someone who knocked him out in one hit. I can see GB taking at most 5 or 6 hits before he starts being unable to keep fighting, and potions aren't that great in healing.

On the other hand, shrek can actually survive hits from someone above him in AP(and not as casual either, since a full armored kick should absolutly be stronger than just throwing a champagne), so he could keeo taking hits for a long time.

(I'm also waiting for the lookover of the calc that you promised me.)

 

[Digupthehatchet]

I don't remember the name of the guy, and while you are more legitimate it's just the no pfp and the high praise of the given character.

Anyhoo, the points aren't very good. "Bigger = Stronger" when this isn't always the case. And... yeah, he clobbers normal guards. As in humans. Not GS. That isn't evidence, that's plot.

Did you not see those same "weak" knights survive a huge barrel filled with liquid falling on them? Those same weak knights who when they are 5 or 6 in number they can actually hold Shrek back? The same Shrek who performed all those previously mentioned feats? Do you see where I'm going with this? Goblin slayer's AP isn't shit because he is just a regular dude. When he tried slashing that ogre with his sword he couldn't do jack shit. He only killed him because he stabbed his face while the guy was cut into pieces from that water scroll. He also choked that champion and didn't get off his back when the guy smashed him into the walls because that goblin didn't even have the strength to break him through the wall the way Shrek broke into his home (it's shown in the links I sent, be sure to watch them all before commenting). Let's not forget goblin slayer got sent FLYING by a goblin lord because he didn't train for only 1 month. That same goblin lord who couldn't take on the silver ranked adventurers because he got scared. Yeah, show me proof of goblin slayer even standing a tiny chance against Shrek. He can't. Let's end this by putting Shrek as the winner by being obviously stronger, faster, more durable, and more skilled. Sure you like goblin slayer more than Shrek but the facts stand and can't be changed. Oh well.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

That barrel isn't comparable to what GS has survived.

PIS exists.

You're comparing apples and oranges, essentially saying "GS' ogre was stronger than him, ergo Shrek, as an ogre, is stronger". I am not upholding this view because I like GS more, truth be told I have never watched the anime or read the manga. Literally my interaction begins and ends on this wiki. But I fail to see any points of yours considering GS' advantages.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You shouldn't ignore my point.

Being half as strong as something that can knock out the goblin slayer does not mean in any way that Goblin Slayer is stronger, or even as strong, as shrek. Especially with how casual the feat was.

He's AP and Dura also don't scale to each other, and his AP feats are rather lacking on anything close to shrek's dura.

After that, his equipment only helps that much. Especially since shrek could take a random rock and throw it hard enough to heavily damage GB, while he would at best be able to hurt Shrek in close range.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

I do believe AP was not my only point. Shrek's main skill feats include taking down many enemies far weaker than him in a bombastic way. GS' main skill feats are outsmarting enemies stronger than himself. GS has a pretty large skill advantage which we've seen Shrek doesn't handle well considering a literal cat bested him for awhile.

GS additionally has the range. I know you said "oh it won't pierce"- but why wouldn't it? Even assuming GS is at an AP disadvantage (the calcs say otherwise but I suppose I'll lean in on your interpretations of things), why would the arrow be unable to harm him?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I don't see how his skill helps him here. Shrek won't exactly get distracted by a naked girl to be raped, he can reach his back with his hands and is the same size as the slayer, so strangling how he outsmarted normally wouldn't really work here.

Pretty sure shrek can throw a random rock just as far as GB's arrows work, and his AP comes from there. There are no calcs that say that bambu, he doesn't scale to his Dura. And it wouldn't work because a sword strike, which is stronger for him, couldn't properly hurt enemies that are worth bringing up here. And Shrek being 2 times weaker (Ignoring that he litirally just threw a bottle) he would be much less annoyed then when he got an actual arrow in his ass. His skull wouldn't be penetrated period, and the arrow penetrating deeper into his fat and muscle is just a ridiclous assumption when stuff on this level can't even break the skin of someone twice as strong as him.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

I didn't say tricks. I said skill. GS is smarter and could find a way to outsmart the aforementioned not-terribly-intelligent Shrek.

That bottle throw was his best AP feat to my knowledge, with his best dura feat being the one where he was tossed a few dozen meters into the air- far lower than GS' AP. And, again, apples and oranges as that wasn't exactly an arrow shot by GS. That would be like saying Nameless Character can beat Thor because he tanked lightning with minor annoyance.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Pretty sure you yourself said this in another thread, but you should provide a way for that to happen instead of saying "he can outsmart"

First of all, AP scales to Dura. Secondly, he took a full armored boot from a trained fiona to the face, and I don't think you can in any way see that as more casual then the bottle.

In fact, what is GS' best AP feat? His Dura feats don't scale, and the best I remember is cutting through Goblins.

I did not directly compare the two in power, I compared the fact that the arrow litirally can't logically penetrate deep enough to do proper damage, and he isn't good with a bow, nowhere near comparable to his normal strenght anyways.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Unsure. Just saying its feasible and probable.

First of all, no it doesn't. Point prove. And Fiona isn't inherently the same tier, though that is something.

I don't know. Again, I'm not terribly familiar.

Yes but why can it not?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

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What is your proven point again? You can't have much higher AP than Dura, not the other way around. Someone who has more than 10 times their AP would be pulling a deku and breaking themselfs apart. Being a tank has nothing to do with that. And she was the strongest ogre in a small army where everyone was stronger than shrek.

I mean, you can't say that he shouldn't have an AP disadvantage if you don't know his AP at all.

Because it could not do it to the ogre and champion. And shrek is not that much weaker than those two.

 

[Moritzva]

Hate to say it but I'm voting for Shrek.

Bambu, you've many times said "List what he'll do to outsmart/plan/trick" towards other arguments about the same things. I like Goblin Slayer, but Shrek just beats him. FRA.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

@Ricsi The point proven is that AP and Dura are not inherently comparable. That point wasn't even related to the thread anymore, just that "AP AND DURA ALWAYS SCALE" is incorrect.

@Pixel Where?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

There are occasions where it doesn't (Like with Legion Zombie) but unless contradicted someones dura can't be much lower than their physical strenght. And I plain said that Dura doesn't scale to AP.

Pretty sure in the speedwagon v slayer match.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

The argument in Speedwagon's case was that his street tactics would throw them off. It isn't the same when arguing that a character with actual skill is battling one without any.

The case here for Shrek is interpretting feats in such a way that Shrek is far stronger than GS and that GS other abilities equate to squat, which I simply do not see the case for. It seems people interpret this as a bias for a character I have never interacted with off of this wiki. Wonderful.

Ima just go back to making CA now

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

There is a point where skill won't work with AP, and it doesn't need to be one-shot worthy. The enemies he fought were most often distracted, and he would absolulty die to all of them if not for the circumstances.

Hell, he doesn't have that great 1 on 1 skills either, he is good with traps and plans on enemies he has knowledge on.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

This isn't that point in my eyes. In this case, you have a raw AP character- I can't imagine GS has never fought something similar. Tricking Shrek is a feasible option.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Tricking how tough? The brawns he tricked were first of all both weaker and much stupider, but he also need to be in a dark cave, and used the clerics help. And I doubt holy magic would affect shrek all that much.

 

[Moritzva]

I agree with Ricsi. His intelligence won't save him here and his equipment just isn't enough when your opponent can grab a tree or boulder and use that instead.

 

[Jinsye]

>Man is arguing on your side

>You say his point is wrong and think he's voting the other side

 

[Jinsye]

I don't think you quoted the correct post there since his post literally mentioned nothing about AP

 

[Digupthehatchet]

I don't think you quoted the correct post there since his post literally mentioned nothing about AP

My bad. It turns out I quoted the wrong dude.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

But to the guy who said goblin slayer's ap is greater than shreks, post a screenshot to back up your claims.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

https://youtu.be/4-N8CfNEErA?t=102

Here's Shrek stabbing through stone with a sword. Just wanted to share this.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

On many occasions, a feats AP may be much less than its impressiveness implies. The opposite also applies. So rather than using screenshots/videos etc. it would be nice if both sides could provide calcs for both sides. Screenshots and videos are best used to see tactics and statements.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

GS downscales from this.

That said there is apparently a better feat from the same character so he is higher, just... we don't know how much.