Genkai's light feat

[Percivalxf]

Genkai unleashes a burst of light that creates a flash effect. And according to the statment, it's a light. It seems to have the same properties as light, but I'd like to discuss that.

What are your thoughts? If it's not at the (attack speed) speed of light, then at least it has light manipulation.

 

[Kachon123]

Just light manipulation should be fine. This isn't one of Genkai's prominent techniques so there's no point in listing it as attack speed.

 

[Damage3245]

Kachon seems to be right that it is best listed as Light Manipulation. It doesn't require a mention of Speed of Light attack speed.

 

[Percivalxf]

Kachon seems to be right that it is best listed as Light Manipulation. It doesn't require a mention of Speed of Light attack speed.

I understood. I'm going to ask for this place to be closed and ask you to add to the character's profile that it's light manipulation.

 

[Percivalxf]

Just light manipulation should be fine. This isn't one of Genkai's prominent techniques so there's no point in listing it as attack speed.

The light seems to blind the characters, and it seems that this attack can be evaluable without standing out among the techniques.

 

[Kachon123]

The light seems to blind the characters, and it seems that this attack can be evaluable without standing out among the techniques.

The technique is useful, but that alone does not necessitate listing its attack speed.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I know that characters who throw light should have at least light speed attack speed. Like Lux in LoL. I don't understand why Genkai isn't added to his profile since he doesn't use it often.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

A character like Puck, who doesn't use light attacks often, has had his light attack speed added to his profile.

Puck (Berserk)

Puck is the first of the companions that Guts makes during the latter's days as the Black Swordsman. Puck is an elf of the Pisky race, descendants of the ancient spirits of wind. A former denizen of Elfhelm, the idyllic elven realm of the Flower Storm Monarch, he left out of sheer boredom and...

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[Percivalxf]

I know that characters who throw light should have at least light speed attack speed. Like Lux in LoL. I don't understand why Genkai isn't added to his profile since he doesn't use it often.

I agree with your thoughts.

 

[Damage3245]

A character like Puck, who doesn't use light attacks often, has had his light attack speed added to his profile.

I'd agree with that being removed though. I wouldn't give someone Speed of Light attack speed with flashbangs or torches either.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems fine, but not look like it scales to anyone to my knowledge.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Can't A and S class demons be measured and upgraded through Genkai? I remember Genkai was B level. If we assume that levels increase in direct proportion to AP and speed.

 

[Damage3245]

Can't A and S class demons be measured and upgraded through Genkai? I remember Genkai was B level. If we assume that levels increase in direct proportion to AP and speed.

What do you mean? You think they can create flashes of light faster than light?

 

[Percivalxf]

I'd agree with that being removed though. I wouldn't give someone Speed of Light attack speed with flashbangs or torches either.

This is ridiculous, if we think about it this way, then characters such as meruem and kashimo, which produce and emit photons and electromagnetic waves, cannot be scaled to the speed of light. I would also like to make an important point: not the moment Genkai reiki transforms his energy into light, but after he transforms it, and the moment the light reaches people's eyes and blinds them, the attack speed will scale to the speed of light. The reason is that Genkai reiki converts his energy into light at high hypersonic speed, however if we accept that this light is real light, then the moment when light reaches the eyes of the characters is the speed of light.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

What do you mean? You think they can create flashes of light faster than light?

Yes, there is an ascending order in this series from Class D to Class S.

 

[Percivalxf]

Seems fine, but not look like it scales to anyone to my knowledge.

Yes, no one can scale from this feat except Genkai.

 

[Percivalxf]

Seems fine, but not look like it scales to anyone to my knowledge.

Do you agree with the speed of attack?

 

[Percivalxf]

This is ridiculous, if we think about it this way, then characters such as meruem and kashimo, which produce and emit photons and electromagnetic waves, cannot be scaled to the speed of light. I would also like to make an important point: not the moment Genkai reiki transforms his energy into light, but after he transforms it, and the moment the light reaches people's eyes and blinds them, the attack speed will scale to the speed of light. The reason is that Genkai reiki converts his energy into light at high hypersonic speed, however if we accept that this light is real light, then the moment when light reaches the eyes of the characters is the speed of light.

So what I mean is that in this case, the attack will scale to the speed of light.

 

[Percivalxf]

Yes, there is an ascending order in this series from Class D to Class S.

It seems logical, but let's not forget that the scaling of Genkai's attack speed to the speed of light is due to the flash effect it creates. Characters A and S do not have light manipulation and cannot create a flash effect.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

It seems logical, but let's not forget that the scaling of Genkai's attack speed to the speed of light is due to the flash effect it creates. Characters A and S do not have light manipulation and cannot create a flash effect.

This is ridiculous, if we think about it this way, then characters such as meruem and kashimo, which produce and emit photons and electromagnetic waves, cannot be scaled to the speed of light. I would also like to make an important point: not the moment Genkai reiki transforms his energy into light, but after he transforms it, and the moment the light reaches people's eyes and blinds them, the attack speed will scale to the speed of light. The reason is that Genkai reiki converts his energy into light at high hypersonic speed, however if we accept that this light is real light, then the moment when light reaches the eyes of the characters is the speed of light.

I understood when I read this

 

[Percivalxf]

I understood when I read this

So you agree with light manipulation and that the speed of attack happens at the speed of light?

 

[Percivalxf]

Bump

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

So you agree with light manipulation and that the speed of attack happens at the speed of light?

I agree

 

[Saqphire]

Should be pretty blatant that an attack that's literally called "light" (even in japanese they use the kanji for it) and acts exactly like it in diffusion, direction etc... is real light. I agree and I also think it should be lightspeed

 

[Catzlaflame]

Conceptually, I agree with the whole "attack speed should be based off of common attacks/technques used by the character, and not their more sparsely used attacks" point. However, that seems like something that should be discussed in a separate, generalized thread - unless it becomes a site standard, I don't think it'd be fair to allow it for some characters but not for others. On that basis, I agree with the thread.

 

[Percivalxf]

Conceptually, I agree with the whole "attack speed should be based off of common attacks/technques used by the character, and not their more sparsely used attacks" point. However, that seems like something that should be discussed in a separate, generalized thread - unless it becomes a site standard, I don't think it'd be fair to allow it for some characters but not for others. On that basis, I agree with the thread.

I don't think so, I think that characters with light manipulation like Puck and puck should at least have a light speed speed of attack. For example, Puck, Lux, and Hana could attack their enemies with light manipulation, in the same way that Genkai could blind their enemies with light. The fact that the character does not use this technique often is something that depends on his preference. As Kachon says, the technique is useful, but it depends on the character's preference.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I don't think so, I think that characters with light manipulation like Puck and puck should at least have a light speed speed of attack. For example, Puck, Lux, and Hana could damage their enemies with light manipulation, in the same way that Genkai could blind their enemies with light. The fact that the character does not use this technique often is something that depends on his preference. As Kachon says, the technique is useful, but it depends on the character's preference.

Actually, Catzlaflame also agrees with giving Genkai SoL attack speed since there is no rule about it for now.

 

[Percivalxf]

Actually, Catzlaflame also agrees with giving Genkai SoL attack speed since there is no rule about it for now.

I understood.

 

[Percivalxf]

Bump

 

[Percivalxf]

In fact, what I notice now is that the characters here do not blink against the light. Therefore, this flash seems to be content with just illuminating the surroundings a little. In addition, the reason why these characters freeze in place is most likely related to the speed of the technique, and they look at it as if they are surprised when they see the light. I also don't think the characters have resistance to light. The reason is that it would be an outlier for them, it would be absurd for such weak characters to have resistance to light.

 

[Percivalxf]

So light manipulation should be enough, so we can close this CRT now.

 

[Saqphire]

In fact, what I notice now is that the characters here do not blink against the light. Therefore, this flash seems to be content with just illuminating the surroundings a little. In addition, the reason why these characters freeze in place is most likely related to the speed of the technique, and they look at it as if they are surprised when they see the light. I also don't think the characters have resistance to light. The reason is that it would be an outlier for them, it would be absurd for such weak characters to have resistance to light.

Just looks like they're statued tbh

 

[Percivalxf]

Just looks like they're statued tbh

Actually, yes, there are 4 reasons why you are exposed to the flash effect but do not defend your eye with your hand.

1. Transient Shock or Fear Response:
Sudden exposure to a bright light can reflexively lead to a "freezing" response. This type of reaction can cause the person to be unable to move.

2. Blinding Effect:
A bright light can cause a person to temporarily lose their eyesight instantly. In this case, the person must move their hand to their face in the right direction.

3. Rapid and Short-Term Exposure:
Because the flash happens too quickly, the person may not have the opportunity to react. If the effect is not permanent when the flash ends, the person will only react afterwards.

4. Sensory Overload:
Too bright a light can create an "overload" in the visual center in the brain. This can affect a person's ability to coordinate or react consciously on a moment's note.

So I've changed my mind now, and I'm sure it's a light fast attack. What are your thoughts?

 

[Percivalxf]

Even the faintest flash effect leaves a blind effect. From what we can see on the panel, this is a big flash blast.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm fine light manipulation, and if you want to add light speed attack speed because of it, sure, I don't really see the problem so long as it's explained.

 

[Percivalxf]

I'm fine light manipulation, and if you want to add light speed attack speed because of it, sure, I don't really see the problem so long as it's explained.

I've actually explained why it scales to attack speed. Let me tell you again, even the weakest flash effect can cause momentary damage to the eye, while high and severe flash effects cause permanent damage. The speed of the flash is the same as the speed of light.

 

[Percivalxf]

Puck (Berserk)

Puck is the first of the companions that Guts makes during the latter's days as the Black Swordsman. Puck is an elf of the Pisky race, descendants of the ancient spirits of wind. A former denizen of Elfhelm, the idyllic elven realm of the Flower Storm Monarch, he left out of sheer boredom and...

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For example, Puck had a flash blast of light, and since he caused temporary damage to his enemies' eyes, it was added to the character's profile that this attack took place at the speed of light.

 

[Percivalxf]

So far, two people agree that this is light speed, with the last staff vote remaining. 4 people have already participated in the manipulation of light. And since the flash effect happens at the speed of light, I don't see any problem with the speed of attack happening at the speed of light.

 

[Percivalxf]

I'm fine light manipulation, and if you want to add light speed attack speed because of it, sure, I don't really see the problem so long as it's explained.

1. If the flash effect causes physical harm:

If the flash effect causes the person to temporarily lose their eyesight, be unable to move, or become vulnerable, this may be considered an attack.

Attack criteria are usually based on the ability to harm, block, or suppress a target. If the flash disables the physical or sensory functions of the target, it can be considered an effective attack in scaling power.

2. Purpose and Consequences of the Attack :

Even if the flash effect does not directly cause physical damage, it can be seen as a strategic attack if it is used with the aim of temporarily incapacitating the enemy or limiting their movements.

In power scaling, the power to disable or stop is also included in the scope of the attack.

3. Intensity and Power of the Flash:

If the power of the flash has a laser-like intensity and has the potential to cause permanent damage to the retina, it is definitely a physical attack.

But if it only creates a short-term blindness or freezing response, it is considered more of an "inhibitory" att ack.

If the Target Is Neutralized: If the target is unable to move, defend, or counter the attack due to the flash, it may be counted as a flash attack.

Attack Type Category: The flash effect may fall into the category of "sensory attack" due to a felt effect instead of a physical impact.

 

[Percivalxf]

Bump