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General Grievous VS Senator Armstrong - General VS Senator

Yeah some really good speed, dexterity and reflexes against someone who attacks with sword like with a carpet beater.
 
SpookyShadow said:
I base it on the fact that there are no better shown/hyped swordsmen in Metal Gear up to MGS2
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That's... VERY weak for a justification, especially when Solidus is NEVER hyped, he never even uses a sword before the last fight, he resorts to his missiles\P90 for most of his encounters. Now, it's safe to say that he's a terrifically skilled swordfighter due to being a result of the "Les Enfants Terribles" project, but there needs to be more info for us to safely say that he's THE BEST
 
Well, no, but to be fair, we are never told wether or not he's better than Olga and Grey Fox, and Olga has some very, VERY good feats (effortlessly cutting pint-blank bullets from at least 6 soldiers).
 
Twellas said:
Well, no, but to be fair, we are never told wether or not he's better than Olga and Grey Fox, and Olga has some very, VERY good feats (effortlessly cutting pint-blank bullets from at least 6 soldiers).
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That sounds like something most Jedi can do easily too.
 
Yeah, I know, but let's not forget that Olga is literally just a random soldier, we are never explicitely told that Solidus is better, but it's far more likely that he is rather than the contrary. What i was saying is that we already saw some pretty good swordfighters in MGS 1 and 2, so he's not the first one
 
Okay hang on tgis is a fight between armstrong and grievous not raiden and grievous

Can someone actually point out what skill armstrong used to fight raiden? I just rewatched the entire fight between tham and all he did was bull rush the hell out of him and abuse his nanomachines so raiden couldnt hurt him. Am i missing something?
 
You were the one who stated that Grievous is more skilled than Raiden and Sam combined, so they wanted to prove you're wrong.

Aside from the actual boss battle, he was holding back as he still wanted Jack to join him. He was going all out in boss fight.
 
And I'm still in the process of writing up that response

Okay? He still did nothing but bull rush Jack and abuse nanomachine durability to take hits from him so what skill does he actually have beyond just brute forcing a more skilled but weaker opponent into submission?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Okay hang on tgis is a fight between armstrong and grievous not raiden and grievous
Can someone actually point out what skill armstrong used to fight raiden? I just rewatched the entire fight between tham and all he did was bull rush the hell out of him and abuse his nanomachines so raiden couldnt hurt him. Am i missing something?
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We are debating Raiden because Armstrong fought toe to toe with him, which means that he can deal with individuals of Raiden's level of skill.

Armstrong is clearly a grappler, he has a fairly wide array of grabs and throws. He was also trained in the navy, but we don't really know what kind of fighting technique he uses
 
>but weaker opponent

What?

Jack is not only far more skilled and faster than him, but also has Blade Mode, Ripper Mode which makes him 7x stronger and Reactive Power Level.
 
Definitely not more durable and as muscle strong though. That were main Armstrong's advantages. But Jack had far more options to make himself stronger than Armstrong.
 
Attack Potency: Large Town level (Overpowered Raiden shortly after he easily destroyed Metal Gear EXCELSUS, far superior to Raiden before he obtained the Murasama, with Doktor stating that even a single blow from him could prove fatal for Raiden)

?
 
From raidens page

Large Town level (Threw around and demolished EXCELSUS, stronger than characters who can harm him, such as Mistral), higher with Reactive Power Level (Capable of damaging a bloodlusted Armstrongwith his bare hands when just minutes prior he was incapable of even phasing him with a bloodlusted barrage of punches, and ultimately defeated him, easily ripping out and crushing his nanomachine-infused heart with his bare hands)

Am I missing something? Both armstrong and raidens profiles state that armstrong was initially superior for most of the fight
 
Yes but the point is that doe the majority of the fight armstrong was stronger and more durable. Skill will only get you so far but like the saying goes the best martial artist in the world will never beat an m1 Abrams in a fight
 
In other words my observation was correct, armstrong didnt really display any impressive skill beyond grappling in the fight against raiden and he didnt 'deal with raiden' through and show of exceedingly impressive skill, he was just strong enough to outmuscle him in cqc and durable enough to tank his hits until raiden evolved to be stronger than him

Armstrong does not have the initial ap advantage here, grievous does
 
nobody is arguing that Armstrong is more skilled than Grevious, what we are saying is that he can deal with opponents who are significantly more skilled than he is. Even if he lost to Raiden, he still managed to fight him on fairly equal terms despite Raiden being more skilled, faster, stronger and constantly increasing in power.

The fact that Armstrong can open Grevious' armor is VERY significant since he's a grappler, and he has an habit of tearing apart enemy armor (went out of his way to break Raiden's visor). He has a ridiculous lifting strenght advantage which means that he's going to dominate any power struggle. Also, he can counter Raiden's Ripper Blade Mode, which is 10x faster than Raiden himself, take that as you wish
 
Wright actually argued that armstrong is more skilled, but what I'm saying is that he didnt deal with raiden through skill, he dealt with raiden by literally being too strong to properly fight and too durable to be hurt. He dealt with raiden because raiden was weaker than him and couldnt hurt him. He does not have that advantage here since grievous is stronger than him.
 
Armstrong trying to grapple grievous is a surefire way for grievous to put at least two lightsabers through his torso followed immediately by bisection
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Wright actually argued that armstrong is more skilled, but what I'm saying is that he didnt deal with raiden through skill, he dealt with raiden by literally being too strong to properly fight and too durable to be hurt. He dealt with raiden because raiden was weaker than him and couldnt hurt him. He does not have that advantage here since grievous is stronger than him.
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You keep talking about pre-murasama Raiden while we talk about his fight with post-murasama Raiden. Post murasama Raiden is faster, stronger and more skilled than Armstrong, and he still managed to fight him fairly evenly. The means through which he did it are debatable, but they sure as hell weren't strength and speed, because he was at a disadvantage in both.

How do we know that the lightsabers would get past his nanomachines exactly?
 
Also, literally the first things that came up when I searched this on Google were people complaining about it not being Canon, so no. It's Legends.

Edit: Ninja'd.
 
@Twellas why would it not cut through them? Lightsabers ignore durability to an extent on top of grievous having ap higher than Armstrong's durability on top of grievous canonically having feats of cutting through lightsaber resistant materials
 
it would not cut through them because they already have feats of resisting 2 degrees of dura-negation (The Murasama doesn't cut him, it simply damages him, if it DID cut him, Sam wouldn't have had to attack his un-hardened arm to cut it) that is based on sub-atomic disruption.

Also, does Grevious only have 2 arms? Weren't they 4? Because if he has 2 Armstrong would have no problem holding both of his arms down while he wails on his chest.
 
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