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Alrighty, now we are just derailing.
Let's just end this already
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Let's just end this already
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Garfield hasn't had a good fight in a while.
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Yeah, except Garf wouldn't lead with mind Manipulation.DaBigP said:
It probably goes with his other abilities,
I gave reasons other than mind tho.
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What abilities?
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Still, The Player out skills the lazy thick cat.
And no way in heck is the cat bypassing Type 4
And no way in heck is the cat bypassing Type 4
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Mind Manip isn't very good though
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In a way, it sounds like telepathy
But yeah, crappy mind hax that I doubt he leads with.
But yeah, crappy mind hax that I doubt he leads with.
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I know he's not killing the Player. I'm simply saying he can incon by just making the Player get him some food or something lol. I also already covered how Garfield could break out of ice and kinda just easily dodge the attacks if he needed to.
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Yeah, it's cool that Garf can escape some of The Players Attack and break out of the ice (I feel iffy on that), but how is Garf killing him? Mind manip is not good and It's not his go-to move.
Player out skills the lazy cat as I said previously.
Player out skills the lazy cat as I said previously.
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'''"I know he's not killing the Player. I'm simply saying he can incon by just making the Player get him some food or something lol."'''
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"Mind Manip is not good and it's not his go-to move."
Please
Just close this
Please
Just close this
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Okay.
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Thanks for understanding
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From the threads I've seen, matches aren't considered stomps just because an in-character strat makes him not use actual win-cons.DaBigP said:
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whoops, then I messed up...Shoot..
My deepest apologies for my slip up.
My deepest apologies for my slip up.
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In that case, are most of the votes for The Player here?
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Mind hax aren't good enough for an incon though iirc
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Garfield does most definitely blitzes. As The Player is not actually FTL. Dodging lasers isn't FTL less it be very close range and there actual evidence that the lasers are light speed. Which there isn't.
As well, Garfield has plenty of ways he could win via incapacitation. Including Plot manipulation to bypass Resurrection. And The Player couldn't likely kill Garfield who has survived becoming a skeleton, and even exploding as a hole. And one time, He was able to change the date and turned John into a baby. Meaning he could quite literally Age The Player to death. Which I hold the scans if needed. Garfield also physically stomps as having eaten a large chunk of the moon, and kicked Odie So hard, an entire week past before he landed. He piloted a ship that can move across the stars and galaxies, and keeps up with someone who ran around the world, signed people's notes, all in one panel. And he quite literally has Reality warping powers or a degree of plot manipulation as his imagination was so strong, he changed his reality.
I rest my case
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HOLD IT!
Erm, most of what you said sounds like it needs a CRT as they are not on Garfs page. Further more, while these are indeed useful hax that could potentially lead to a legit win conditions, you can not forget that Garfield is one lazy cat and is fighting against someone he doesn't know that is fully armed.
While yeah, you might argue that he would find this armed dude very threatening, you can't just immediately assume he would use those abilities right off the bat.
Also, I really love the use of Phoenix Wright gifs!
Erm, most of what you said sounds like it needs a CRT as they are not on Garfs page. Further more, while these are indeed useful hax that could potentially lead to a legit win conditions, you can not forget that Garfield is one lazy cat and is fighting against someone he doesn't know that is fully armed.
While yeah, you might argue that he would find this armed dude very threatening, you can't just immediately assume he would use those abilities right off the bat.
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Garfield May be Lazy. But as I brought up before. Garfields Regenerationn is Too strong. And he is beyond too fast. And Garfield isn't an idiot, he wouldn't let himself be attacked. He would fight back when the player shows to be a threat. As well, I brought up earlier. FTL for the player isn't right. Dodging lasers that are light speed typically hit Relativistic. Not only that. We have 0 evidence to believe they are light speed. As if we believed every laser like this to be light speed. Then a Large chunk of fiction would have to be updated. We are very tight on evidence backing up lasers. So we can not accept this without actual solid fact to say these lasers and this character can hit such speeds As well. I bring to the feats I brought up earlier
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I'll respond tomorrow since I Have to slep
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Okay uh, Player's page got remade and no doubt about it he's FTL. He dodges lasers casually and last second so no it's not as if he's aim dodging or seeing them coming, he's just being faster than lasers which I've already linked you the page to.
And Garfield does not promptly use any of this in character if you admit he's lazy. At all. The Player already hard counters being Temporal BFR'D as covered earlier and your arguments for Garfield having near 5-C AP is just directly oot for this thread lol.
Player just freezes, soul steals, and heals. All of which don't really care about your regen or dura in this case.
Also, reminder that if you want to argue for all of these things in regards to Garfield then create a CRT. Half of this stuff isn't on his profile so this thread would have to be put on hold.
And Garfield does not promptly use any of this in character if you admit he's lazy. At all. The Player already hard counters being Temporal BFR'D as covered earlier and your arguments for Garfield having near 5-C AP is just directly oot for this thread lol.
Player just freezes, soul steals, and heals. All of which don't really care about your regen or dura in this case.
Also, reminder that if you want to argue for all of these things in regards to Garfield then create a CRT. Half of this stuff isn't on his profile so this thread would have to be put on hold.
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Ok. I'm gong to redirect to you towards my earlier comment
"Dodging lasers that are light speed typically hit Relativistic. Not only that. We have 0 evidence to believe they are light speed. As if we believed every laser like this to be light speed. Then a Large chunk of fiction would have to be updated. We are very tight on evidence backing up lasers. So we can not accept this without actual solid fact to say these lasers and this character can hit such speeds"
Also. Being lazy is a dumb argument to say he wouldn't use his hacks. I'm sorry, but he has used hisbhacks more than once before. And shown he will. If a person is trying to kill him. Of course he would react in such a way. He is Lazy. Not an idiot.
Yes but completely ignore the fact I said he has several other manors in hacks that could Bypass and kill The Player that way.
"Dodging lasers that are light speed typically hit Relativistic. Not only that. We have 0 evidence to believe they are light speed. As if we believed every laser like this to be light speed. Then a Large chunk of fiction would have to be updated. We are very tight on evidence backing up lasers. So we can not accept this without actual solid fact to say these lasers and this character can hit such speeds"
Also. Being lazy is a dumb argument to say he wouldn't use his hacks. I'm sorry, but he has used hisbhacks more than once before. And shown he will. If a person is trying to kill him. Of course he would react in such a way. He is Lazy. Not an idiot.
Yes but completely ignore the fact I said he has several other manors in hacks that could Bypass and kill The Player that way.
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I honestly think this should be scrapped. Garfields page needs updating.
Sunsets needs updating.
And sunsets page is still wrong,
Sunsets needs updating.
And sunsets page is still wrong,
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Oof
What's thejudge OP verdict?
What's the
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Inconclusive to the point where we can't use it due to pages needing serious updating
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No actually, this doesn't need to be scrapped, a lot of BS's arguments make no sense.
Firstly we treat the characters stats are they are on the profile, if you truly have problems with it you make a CRT, not dowwngrade them here.
Secondly, being lazy is a very well argument, allow me to show you the very definition of lazy:
la┬Àzy
/╦êl─üzē/
adjective
1.
unwilling to work or use energy.
"he was too lazy to cook"
synonyms: idle, indolent, slothful, work-shy, shiftless, loafing, inactive, inert, sluggish, lethargic, languorous, listless, torpid, enervated, slow-moving, slow, heavy, dull, plodding; More
He'd be unwilling to fight all out meaning he's not opening up with any of his good hax nor has he shown to conssistently open up with his good hax.
Thridly, Garfield has nowhere near the combat experience as The Player as his comics is a gag comic so there's little fighting so he wouldn't be used to the way he fights and if you want to use other medium he does not fight consistently in those other mediums regardless, gets a brief super power to fight, etc.
Finally the feats you brought up, the plot manip seems off but irregardless, he doesn't open up with that nor use it in-char, the rest of the haxs you use have the exact same problem. He doesn't use these in-character and you outright admit to it being something he used "one time".
I rest my case, overuled.
Firstly we treat the characters stats are they are on the profile, if you truly have problems with it you make a CRT, not dowwngrade them here.
Secondly, being lazy is a very well argument, allow me to show you the very definition of lazy:
la┬Àzy
/╦êl─üzē/
adjective
1.
unwilling to work or use energy.
"he was too lazy to cook"
synonyms: idle, indolent, slothful, work-shy, shiftless, loafing, inactive, inert, sluggish, lethargic, languorous, listless, torpid, enervated, slow-moving, slow, heavy, dull, plodding; More
He'd be unwilling to fight all out meaning he's not opening up with any of his good hax nor has he shown to conssistently open up with his good hax.
Thridly, Garfield has nowhere near the combat experience as The Player as his comics is a gag comic so there's little fighting so he wouldn't be used to the way he fights and if you want to use other medium he does not fight consistently in those other mediums regardless, gets a brief super power to fight, etc.
Finally the feats you brought up, the plot manip seems off but irregardless, he doesn't open up with that nor use it in-char, the rest of the haxs you use have the exact same problem. He doesn't use these in-character and you outright admit to it being something he used "one time".
I rest my case, overuled.
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Bravo Giver.
Player FRA?
Player FRA?
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1. That argument in on itself a full of BS. Being lazy doesn't automatically mean they won't fight. That is stupid. Garfield would Quite Obviously not just sit there and take someone Trying To Kill him . Or by your logic, Homer, Peter, and Sevrral Other thousand to millions pf people aren't capable of Combat
2. He may not open up with them. But Again. Actual FTL feats >>>> MHS shown feats at best. Garfield Bitzes HARD
3. Combat experience is useless if you get blitzed and one shot via hacks. Plus, with his adventures with Garzooka and that entire team, he has still fought in combat and shows the He Is Willing to fight and has some fighting experience at least.
4. "Seem off" is a terrible way to argue them. Unless you can downright prove them otherwise, that's a poor argument and had no relevance to this argument. And He will obviously use them at one point or another as he has done stuff like it before. Hell, plot manipulation isn't even that knew to him. He has done it more than once. It's stupid to say "Oh. But he only did it once." Cause no, hats not true. And irrevent as that doesn't stop him from doing it again
Nice try but No. Your case is Overruled
2. He may not open up with them. But Again. Actual FTL feats >>>> MHS shown feats at best. Garfield Bitzes HARD
3. Combat experience is useless if you get blitzed and one shot via hacks. Plus, with his adventures with Garzooka and that entire team, he has still fought in combat and shows the He Is Willing to fight and has some fighting experience at least.
4. "Seem off" is a terrible way to argue them. Unless you can downright prove them otherwise, that's a poor argument and had no relevance to this argument. And He will obviously use them at one point or another as he has done stuff like it before. Hell, plot manipulation isn't even that knew to him. He has done it more than once. It's stupid to say "Oh. But he only did it once." Cause no, hats not true. And irrevent as that doesn't stop him from doing it again
Nice try but No. Your case is Overruled
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1. I literally never stated they won't fight you've outright strawmanned me. I said he won't put his all into the fight; "He'd be unwilling to fight all out meaning he's not opening up with any of his good hax nor has he shown to conssistently open up with his good hax."
Already starting off great here.
2. I literally just told you that you cannot attempt to debunk speed feats in the vs threads, you make a CRT for that, we treat their stats on the page as objective for the vs threads. Make a CRT if you have a problem with his speed. This is not an argument and thus negated.
3. Already explained what's outright wrong with attempting to debunk speed tiers in a vs thread, make a CRT for that. He's nowhere near combat experrienced and I already explained those moments, thanks for showing you've barely read my comment.
4. Did you outright ignore the rest of my comment where I was assuming plot manip is correct?
No, you most certainly didn't overrule, strawman, misrepresentation of the argument, etc.
Already starting off great here.
2. I literally just told you that you cannot attempt to debunk speed feats in the vs threads, you make a CRT for that, we treat their stats on the page as objective for the vs threads. Make a CRT if you have a problem with his speed. This is not an argument and thus negated.
3. Already explained what's outright wrong with attempting to debunk speed tiers in a vs thread, make a CRT for that. He's nowhere near combat experrienced and I already explained those moments, thanks for showing you've barely read my comment.
4. Did you outright ignore the rest of my comment where I was assuming plot manip is correct?
No, you most certainly didn't overrule, strawman, misrepresentation of the argument, etc.
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I've seen butter changed the profile without making a CRT, which is against the rules.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Editing_Rules
"When making sweeping or significant changes to an established and/or popular character or verse, please create a content revision thread first, so that it may be evaluated by the staff and the community at large to ensure that it falls within our guidelines."
^You should not change his speed stats just because you personally disagree without making a CRT.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Editing_Rules
"When making sweeping or significant changes to an established and/or popular character or verse, please create a content revision thread first, so that it may be evaluated by the staff and the community at large to ensure that it falls within our guidelines."
^You should not change his speed stats just because you personally disagree without making a CRT.
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1. Yes. And I'm saying that he still would fight. His laziness and wanting to not fight, Honestly Would lead him to use a hack as The Fastest route to finish the fight as well. And later times shows that he is willing to fight. Like his adventures with the Garzoka team
2. I'm not debunking it because it wasn't supposed to be like that. That page was edited several times in the making of this. It never was Actually FTL and was removed as not being FTL. And the entire page removed because being unreliable. I'm not Debunking it because it already was. So your argument is what is negated.
3. And I just explained that I'm not as it already was. I read it. You just don't know the full story of his page. Which is why this thread also needs to be stopped and deleted or redone when the pages are right. cause this page is going through a lot of BS. And was even deleted for being unreliable. And Experience alone doesn't win a fight. I've explained he does have Some fighting experience which would be enough considering his stat advatage. So nope. Nice try. Hypocritical to say I am doing Strawman when you're pulling it yourself
4. Yes. I know. And like I said. Feels off is a bad argument. I refuted that (yes I know you said irregardless. I'm just saying that's still a bad argument). And he doesn't need to open with them. Like I said before. He blitzes. Which also shows you Our right ignore my comment as your acting like all I said was "feels off is a bad argument."
So don't throw that hypocritical crap at me.
2. I'm not debunking it because it wasn't supposed to be like that. That page was edited several times in the making of this. It never was Actually FTL and was removed as not being FTL. And the entire page removed because being unreliable. I'm not Debunking it because it already was. So your argument is what is negated.
3. And I just explained that I'm not as it already was. I read it. You just don't know the full story of his page. Which is why this thread also needs to be stopped and deleted or redone when the pages are right. cause this page is going through a lot of BS. And was even deleted for being unreliable. And Experience alone doesn't win a fight. I've explained he does have Some fighting experience which would be enough considering his stat advatage. So nope. Nice try. Hypocritical to say I am doing Strawman when you're pulling it yourself
4. Yes. I know. And like I said. Feels off is a bad argument. I refuted that (yes I know you said irregardless. I'm just saying that's still a bad argument). And he doesn't need to open with them. Like I said before. He blitzes. Which also shows you Our right ignore my comment as your acting like all I said was "feels off is a bad argument."
So don't throw that hypocritical crap at me.
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1. I never claimed he wouldn't fight, I claimed he wouldn't fight all out. Those are two different fronts.
2. The several times it was edited it was still FTL, no official change on FTL happened until you touched the page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Sunset_Overdrive)?oldid=4363577
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Sunset_Overdrive)?oldid=4363577
3. I know the full story and showed the outright contradiction to your argument. Where did I strawman you here? If you can't show where I strawmanned you then you can't attempt to play the hypocrisy card.
4. It wasn't an argument to begin with it was just something I was pointing out hence why I didn't go into depth over why it's wrong. He doesn't blitz until I see a CRT officially change that.
Nothing here was "hypocritical" I never strawmanned you. Learn what hypocrisy means before throwing it out.
2. The several times it was edited it was still FTL, no official change on FTL happened until you touched the page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Sunset_Overdrive)?oldid=4363577
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Player_(Sunset_Overdrive)?oldid=4363577
3. I know the full story and showed the outright contradiction to your argument. Where did I strawman you here? If you can't show where I strawmanned you then you can't attempt to play the hypocrisy card.
4. It wasn't an argument to begin with it was just something I was pointing out hence why I didn't go into depth over why it's wrong. He doesn't blitz until I see a CRT officially change that.
Nothing here was "hypocritical" I never strawmanned you. Learn what hypocrisy means before throwing it out.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Drite77 said:
That's why this thread and These arguments are BS. Cause it based on Wrong info and was even deleted because of it. This thread needs to be closed and either redone later after the pages are fixed, or just not done again.
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The FTL info wasn't outright incorrect and had scans to show otherwise and was left there. So again, a CRT would need to be made to change that, not change it yourself("yourself" referring to BS) because you disagree with it.Drite77 said:
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The defense for it was they dodged it when the light was right next to them. So it wouldn't even be relativistic if that's the case. But a part of BS' argument was that the laser wasn't a legit laser, so once again he'd need to show a CRT to prove this not change the page himself, especially when several people fixed the page and it was even locked and everything.
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