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Frieza wants revenge for episode 127
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Well thinking now I decided that this is Jiren prior Limit Breaker
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This is base Jiren who is far weaker than SSJ Broly that Post-TOP Golden Frieza was able to tanked for 1 hour.
If it was UBW Jiren then Frieza looses.
Post-TOP Golden Frieza should take this via AP.
If it was UBW Jiren then Frieza looses.
Post-TOP Golden Frieza should take this via AP.
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If Frieza was able to get manhandled by Broly for an hour. He should be able to wallop Broly. Maybe make this fight against the Jiren that fought Blue Goku and Blue Vegeta?
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Frieza considered Broly to be too strong for anyone he has fought to beat, meaning that a suppressed Jiren is much weaker than Super Saiyan Broly. The issue is that it's hard to scale Jiren's power. We know that Jiren was at least fighting over 20-40x the power of UIO1 Goku (considering he took on X20 Goku and SSBE Vegeta at the same) and that Toppo was barely defeated by a full power SSBE Vegeta using Final Explosion. So overall, we can claim that Jiren is almost certainly fighting above UIO2 Goku (as the minimum scale accepted is 40x Blue). This means suppressed Jiren and Post-ToP Frieza both scale somewhere to or above UIO2 Goku with basic scaling chain.
But can Frieza beat 100% Base Jiren? After all, Jiren was capable of matching UIO3 Goku and overpowering him (albeit due to UIO having poor offenses but still). We know Frieza can tank someone who should be far stronger than UIO2 Goku for over an hour straight, but he can't really damage them...only phase. We also don't know the power difference between UIO2 and UIO3, meaning we can't quite tell how different that suppressed Jiren is too his full power state.
However, Frieza couldn't fall after over an hour of fighting against Broly, who should be much stronger than UIO2 Goku and thus is likely much stronger than suppressed Jiren. Meaning that Frieza is going to be extremely difficult to properly put down either way.
Overall, due to lack of conclusive scaling and evidence...I think I will vote for Jiren for now. Even if SS Broly scales to 100% Jiren, Jiren lacks any of the stamina issues that UIO3 Goku would have, meaning Frieza WILL eventually fall in like...two hours? three hours? God knows.
But can Frieza beat 100% Base Jiren? After all, Jiren was capable of matching UIO3 Goku and overpowering him (albeit due to UIO having poor offenses but still). We know Frieza can tank someone who should be far stronger than UIO2 Goku for over an hour straight, but he can't really damage them...only phase. We also don't know the power difference between UIO2 and UIO3, meaning we can't quite tell how different that suppressed Jiren is too his full power state.
However, Frieza couldn't fall after over an hour of fighting against Broly, who should be much stronger than UIO2 Goku and thus is likely much stronger than suppressed Jiren. Meaning that Frieza is going to be extremely difficult to properly put down either way.
Overall, due to lack of conclusive scaling and evidence...I think I will vote for Jiren for now. Even if SS Broly scales to 100% Jiren, Jiren lacks any of the stamina issues that UIO3 Goku would have, meaning Frieza WILL eventually fall in like...two hours? three hours? God knows.
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Because SSJ Broly is stronger than Post-TOP(+Training/Zenkai) SSJBlue Goku and SSJBlue Vegeta who are way stronger than SSJBKKx20 Goku and SSJBE Vegeta from TOP. Frieza was able to tanked attacks from SSJ Broly for 1 hour while Goku and Vegeta were manhandled within minutes.AwkguyDB said:
That being said, Frieza should take this with difficulty.
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It's not that crazy to just think Frieza trained and grew that strong. Honestly, I still believe Frieza actually grew stronger over the course of the ToP and that none of his feats/scaling were outliers.
Regardless, we are forced to trust that he could tank and phase Broly, someone who is at least over 50x the power of UIO1 Goku. I think Frieza may scale to being stronger than UIO2 Goku, maybe much stronger, but it's extremely doubtful his Broly feat could scale him to UIO3 Goku or Base Jiren in power. The only real shot Frieza has at winning is if he uses his Paralysis to freeze Jiren and then try to just shoot him to death with Death Beams or even a Death Cage.
I guess we could argue Frieza can go Paralysis > Death Saucers to potentially kill Jiren, considering Jiren and Frieza probably aren't so far apart in power that Jiren can just grab or shatter them (unlike how he did to SSB Goku), especially if he is paralyzed. But the chances of Frieza doing that is hard to say. We know Frieza could sneak attack Jiren unlike Hit, so it's feasible that Frieza can catch Jiren off-guard.
Overall, Frieza's options for killing Jiren are pretty slim and hard to pull off.
Regardless, we are forced to trust that he could tank and phase Broly, someone who is at least over 50x the power of UIO1 Goku. I think Frieza may scale to being stronger than UIO2 Goku, maybe much stronger, but it's extremely doubtful his Broly feat could scale him to UIO3 Goku or Base Jiren in power. The only real shot Frieza has at winning is if he uses his Paralysis to freeze Jiren and then try to just shoot him to death with Death Beams or even a Death Cage.
I guess we could argue Frieza can go Paralysis > Death Saucers to potentially kill Jiren, considering Jiren and Frieza probably aren't so far apart in power that Jiren can just grab or shatter them (unlike how he did to SSB Goku), especially if he is paralyzed. But the chances of Frieza doing that is hard to say. We know Frieza could sneak attack Jiren unlike Hit, so it's feasible that Frieza can catch Jiren off-guard.
Overall, Frieza's options for killing Jiren are pretty slim and hard to pull off.
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I'd still have to give it to Jiren. Frieza being able to tank Broly for an hour doesn't necessarily mean Broly was walloping him as hard as he could the whole time.
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Base Jiren was objectively stronger than UIO3 Goku.
Post-UIO2 Goku was stronger than UIO1 Goku.
How much stronger Goku became from UIO3 and MUI limit breaks is unknown, but he may be stronger than UIO2 Goku.
SS Broly is 40-50x Goku Blue. UIO is accepted as a minimum 40x multiplier. If Post-ToP Goku Blue is stronger than UIO2 (based on UIO1 + UIO2 surpassing UIO1, UIO3 + MUI would surpass UIO2) then that means SS Broly is likely stronger than UIO3 Goku.
Base Jiren/SS Broly > UIO3 Goku >> Post-MUI Goku Blue > UIO2 Goku
Based upon this scaling, Frieza would be somewhere around UIO3 Goku's level, which Jiren was so powerful that UIO3 Goku couldn't even escape Jiren's barrage. To add further, this is using the minimum scaling of UIO being 40x Blue.
Overall, Post-ToP Frieza is at least considerably weaker than Base Jiren and can not exploit any stamina flaws like he can with UI Goku (which is why he won against UIO Goku in another thread), Even if he tanked Broly for over an hour, SS Broly and Base Jiren seem to scale to comparable-levels of power which would indicate Frieza can't do a thing to Jiren.
The only way Frieza can possibly defeat Jiren is if Jiren's stamina is much lesser than Broly. If Jiren's stamina is unable to hold out for an hour, Frieza can potentially hold out and then defeat Jiren due to superior endurance. The issue is, we have little feats of Jiren's stamina which would mean we can't conclude how long Jiren can last.
Overall, it appears mathematically implausible for Frieza to win.
Post-UIO2 Goku was stronger than UIO1 Goku.
How much stronger Goku became from UIO3 and MUI limit breaks is unknown, but he may be stronger than UIO2 Goku.
SS Broly is 40-50x Goku Blue. UIO is accepted as a minimum 40x multiplier. If Post-ToP Goku Blue is stronger than UIO2 (based on UIO1 + UIO2 surpassing UIO1, UIO3 + MUI would surpass UIO2) then that means SS Broly is likely stronger than UIO3 Goku.
Base Jiren/SS Broly > UIO3 Goku >> Post-MUI Goku Blue > UIO2 Goku
Based upon this scaling, Frieza would be somewhere around UIO3 Goku's level, which Jiren was so powerful that UIO3 Goku couldn't even escape Jiren's barrage. To add further, this is using the minimum scaling of UIO being 40x Blue.
Overall, Post-ToP Frieza is at least considerably weaker than Base Jiren and can not exploit any stamina flaws like he can with UI Goku (which is why he won against UIO Goku in another thread), Even if he tanked Broly for over an hour, SS Broly and Base Jiren seem to scale to comparable-levels of power which would indicate Frieza can't do a thing to Jiren.
The only way Frieza can possibly defeat Jiren is if Jiren's stamina is much lesser than Broly. If Jiren's stamina is unable to hold out for an hour, Frieza can potentially hold out and then defeat Jiren due to superior endurance. The issue is, we have little feats of Jiren's stamina which would mean we can't conclude how long Jiren can last.
Overall, it appears mathematically implausible for Frieza to win.
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Solid work, man. I totally agree, but I think what you're describing is a stomp, which I don't entirely agree with
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