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So...these crts happened
And the former absolutely annihilated how chainscaling looks and its honestly so bad so i will start with that
First i will dip my arguments as to why 4-A should be removed entirely, then i will argue which characters should have justification changed and their tier 4 removed too
first is to start about why do 4-A exists, well it comes from this feat
Another issue is this Alice,[7] who was a protector of Old Mondstadt,[6] a civilisation ruled by Decarabian. There is no proof that Alice was as strong as she is now, nor that the Imaginarum Theater was created at that time, in fact it wasnt even specified when was Hexenzirkel found:
Another issue is that the feat itself isnt consistent, it has only appeared once with little to no details about it, and witches themself have 0 combat feats shown.
Yet another issue here is this:
Decarabian was defeated by Barbatos himself.[8], this is not true, or at least not as accurate as it sounds, in the story quest of Venti it was revealed that entire old mondstadt rebelled against decarabian, nothing said that Venti himself fought and defeated him.
Final issue is the fact that every other Feat shown by Archons is at best tier 6, Such as:
Shogun cutting island in half
Venti casually throwing giant mountain
Azdaha shaking earth
Neuvilette covering entire fontaine in clouds
Mavuka using combined power of death, 6 natlan heroes, and gnosis just to break false sky barrier and possibly destroy the moon.
None of these feats are reaching into tier 5, theres no reason for archons to scale into tier 4 just because witches are capable of challenging one archon which even refused the challenge, nor that they have any consistent feat itself, this can at best be an Outlier since nothing else provides support for archons scaling to 4-A, let alone any other character who is listed 4-A except...
Neuvilette!(and skirk...) who is said to have power that rivals entire human realm:
Thus i believe 4-A should be changed to 6-B, and Neuvilette should have 6-B, likely 4-A, or straihgt up 4-A since this is his authoirity restored key, which alone puts him above entire human realm
Absolutely nothing here says that beisht caused more rampage, nor that Beisht is comparable to gods such as Morax. In fact the cutscene of osial shows us the large whirpools, waves, even flooded liyue... and what Biesht shows is... a tsunami, yes a tsunami and thats all, yes she also knocked out traveler because his braincells arent functional but thats not important.
Clearly this deserves a downgrade back to 7-A with better justifications since this one is bland as hell.
Obviously a case of PiS and Outlier if i may say so, in fact Wanderer didnt give a damn about the event so there is not a single thing that can place Cyno in the same tier as wanderer. Also wanderer was dragged into this event by nahida, and he was only doing so to pay back for help she gave him so this proves Wanderer wasnt taking anything seriously there. Thus Cyno will also be downgraded to 7-A.
Same as Cyno, also 7-A but very generous one since that is his only feat ever.
No proof that god remains scale to same tier as actual gods, and he has also using weapon that used to beat gods, not that he beat gods himself, so he should be "At least" 7-A and 4-A (6-B) with primordial spear unless UES allows physicals to scale to weapons.
This used to be 6-C, but given that some of these feats were done in his past before becoming actual Geo Archon, i have no problem of it to stay at 4-A (6-B if it gets nuked) though id put "At Most" given that he is greatly weaker without his gnosis.
Same reason as Zhongli, also open to 4-A (6-B) due to his feats.
The rest of characters scaling to 4-A who have been scaling to the likes of post Sumeru Traveler or is comparable to Archons such as top 3 fatui can keep their ratings with justifications changed too.
Garri dont close it pls and ty.
And the former absolutely annihilated how chainscaling looks and its honestly so bad so i will start with that
First i will dip my arguments as to why 4-A should be removed entirely, then i will argue which characters should have justification changed and their tier 4 removed too
first is to start about why do 4-A exists, well it comes from this feat
- Barbatos at his prime was challenged to a battle by the Hexenzirkel,[6]an organisation of powerful mages or witches founded by Alice,[7]who was a protector of Old Mondstadt,[6] a civilisation ruled by Decarabian. Decarabian was defeated by Barbatos himself.[8]A single witch of Hexenzirkel was capable of creating the Imaginarium Theater,[9] with casting spells using their quill,[10]which contains a starry sky[11][Note 1][Statistics Values 1])
Another issue is this Alice,[7] who was a protector of Old Mondstadt,[6] a civilisation ruled by Decarabian. There is no proof that Alice was as strong as she is now, nor that the Imaginarum Theater was created at that time, in fact it wasnt even specified when was Hexenzirkel found:
Another issue is that the feat itself isnt consistent, it has only appeared once with little to no details about it, and witches themself have 0 combat feats shown.
Yet another issue here is this:
Decarabian was defeated by Barbatos himself.[8], this is not true, or at least not as accurate as it sounds, in the story quest of Venti it was revealed that entire old mondstadt rebelled against decarabian, nothing said that Venti himself fought and defeated him.
Final issue is the fact that every other Feat shown by Archons is at best tier 6, Such as:
Shogun cutting island in half
Venti casually throwing giant mountain
Azdaha shaking earth
Neuvilette covering entire fontaine in clouds
Mavuka using combined power of death, 6 natlan heroes, and gnosis just to break false sky barrier and possibly destroy the moon.
None of these feats are reaching into tier 5, theres no reason for archons to scale into tier 4 just because witches are capable of challenging one archon which even refused the challenge, nor that they have any consistent feat itself, this can at best be an Outlier since nothing else provides support for archons scaling to 4-A, let alone any other character who is listed 4-A except...
Neuvilette!
Thus i believe 4-A should be changed to 6-B, and Neuvilette should have 6-B, likely 4-A, or straihgt up 4-A since this is his authoirity restored key, which alone puts him above entire human realm
Now i will start with justifications:
Multi-Solar System level (Fought against Biesht who caused more rampage than Osial, the latter being comparable to gods such as Morax)
Clearly this deserves a downgrade back to 7-A with better justifications since this one is bland as hell.
Multi-Solar System level (Briefly traded blows with the Sumeru Traveler before he fought the Shouki no Kami. Fought against the Wanderer, albeit both weren't trying their hardest because they were in a competitive setting[Statistics Values 1])
Multi-Solar System level (Fought and clashed against Cyno and was holding his ground[3], the former who can briefly trade blows with Wanderer)[Statistics Values 1]
Multi-Solar System level (Stands highly in the hierarchy of Adepti making him far superior to Ganyu and Shenhe, the former of which specifically sought out him out for training. As a Yaksha he speciallizes in combating the remanents of Gods from the Archon War), higher with Primordial Jade Winged-Spear (The Jade Winged-Spear is a weapon created from the power of Morax's Geo Kite, which was critical to striking down the sea monster Baqiu, who was touted as being unparalleled among sea monsters, making it superior to Haishan, and possibly Osial)
At least Multi-Solar System level (Is the pinnacle of the Adepti, putting him immensely above the likes of Xiao. Was among the most powerful gods in the Archon War with even Orobashi, a giant snake God who created Watatsumi Island, believing that he couldn't defeat him[2]. His stone spears being what comprise the rocky spires of Guyun Stone Forest, which remain as large as they are despite Zhongli himself stating that the original stone spears were far greater in both number and size)
Multi-Solar System level (As one of the strongest entities to exist in the Archon War, though considerably weakened from his prime and his power split in half, he should still be comparable to the likes of the other adepti and lesser gods, such as Xiao)
The rest of characters scaling to 4-A who have been scaling to the likes of post Sumeru Traveler or is comparable to Archons such as top 3 fatui can keep their ratings with justifications changed too.
Garri dont close it pls and ty.
