Fire Emblem: Elibe (FE 7 & FE6) base form AP upgrade

[Bobsican]

Like before, I'm going to quote an off-site user for this CRT

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8:27 Evil general Sonia shakes the entire water temple.

(Based on the size of FE7 maps and compared to the size of the character based on the scan



the entirety of the temple must be around Multi city block to town in size.) and causes a huge "explosion" of light at 3:35 that covers the entire temple.

This shaking causes several pillars of stone to fall onto the water. And this is all her own power as she teases the cast by saying she'll intentionally create some paths for them to reach her at 9:04.

Minor other things:

1.- 8:48 has Hector comment the temple was filling with water as an effect of the shaking. This would scale to everyone at base forms since they can fight Sonia, whose shaking magic should be nothing compared to Nergal's. And no Lord has obtained their divine weapons yet.

2.- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Earthquake_Power_Chart (Bob's note, it looks like an earthquake of magnitude 5, so the feat most likely is 8-A)

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1:20:16

Bramimmod's unsealing of the legendary weapons has a clear cut 6-A range, possibly even far higher.

1:22:38

Nergal can also create a massive earthquake that knocked out Eliwood and Nils (who had Ninian's powers at the moment), this attack also caused Athos to say that his power would not have been enough to save them from the attack (He must have had Forblaze at the moment and considered a Divine Weapon user.)

So Nergal should indeed scale above at least one Divine Weapon and further backs up Sonia's shaking feat.



29:45 Instinctive Reactions for Eliwood, as the blade can command his body without him having to think.
27:54 Extrasensory Perception - Able to see Roland's ghost.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

For the first one, where is the evidence that Sonia causes the Earthquake. I know she says something about making paths and thus she had limited control, but where is evidence she shakes it as opposed to Water Temple naturally being able to shake naturally? And even so, we do not normally assume the scope of the Earthquake. Pixel scaling the character to the size of the water temple would be useful however. And going off comments from what Dargoo and DontTalkDT said on other threads, earthquakes actually look a lot more extreme underground than on the surface; Magnitude 4 may feel like it only tickles on the surface, but it's pretty destructive looking underground. But a calc group member should preferably take a look at that one.

The unsealing the Divine Weapons isn't an AP feat and that light shining is just a reality warping effect; not something that would qualify under luminousity calculations or something AP applicable. Thousands of Kilometers range via sealing might fine however.

It is pretty obvious that Nergal is causing that Earthquake yeah which knocked the party down. But Nergal is also in a class of his own and much stronger than the rest of the cast outside of Restricted Divine Weapon usage. Though, should still scale the FE7 Fire Dragon, Ninian's Ice Dragon Form, and to a lesser extent the weaker versions of the Divine Weapons, but no one else.

Edit: There is one more feat that could potentially upgrade the verse but needs a proper calculation first. Right here. Niime freezing a river could get decent results.

 

[Bobsican]

"1.-Sonia CAUSED the Earthquake as shown in the video. It even occurs right after she said she would not let anyone escape at 8:24, it also perfectly, as if with intent, destroyed the pathways to her, which she would then manipulate intentionally to let the cast reach her.
There is no evidence the Water Temple shakes naturally nor it is implied at any point in the plot, if you argue it so, you should post evidence of the Water Temple doing such a thing on its own. I have no objections to having this be calced anyways. I have placed a map of the chapter in the first imgur, if that helps.

2.- I never said it was an AP feat. Its just a notable range feat.

3.- Nergal at that point could be hurt by an un-enhanced Forblaze. But even then, he does indeed scale above the heroes at that point in time and would not scale, but it does back up Sonia's own feat immensely as she direcly feeds off his quintensense and was shown doing a similar feat.

4.- Thoughts on the last two feats for Eliwood?"

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We still do not know whether or not it was a chain reaction; that's pretty much how Water Temples have always worked in Fire Emblem is some shakes happen and platforms appear and vanish left and right. But yeah, the it should still be calculated

Okay

Chip damage yeah, that's why I said to some extent. Though Aureola is the only Divine Weapon that significantly damages Nergal. But even so, Sonia's feat still needs more context and both feats need proper calculations.

Instinctive reactions was brought up years ago, but it was rejected. It was more so Durandel having limited body control. Also didn't the cast already have Non Physical Interaction and/or Extrasensory Perception? Or were those other FE games? Anyway, I think the latter is fine to add if not.

 

[Bobsican]

"1.- There is no real reason to assume it is a chain reaction since Sonia directly shows intent in shaking the temple, also, the light that covers the entire temple is also coming from her sprite (as shown in the video of the feat), implying she was the sole responsible of that feat. (Bob's note, on my part, the feat could be treated as environmental destruction otherwise, so it just wouldn't scale to physical stats)

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0:38

Aureola is stated to be able to disturb Nergal's dark energy cloak, but Athos actually enhanced all divine weapons with magic, making them able to negate such energy to some regard too.

This seems like a separate key for Elibe Divine Weapon Users + Lyn named "With Magic Infused Divine Weapon" with the same skills as before + "Limited Durability Negation" (Stated to be infused with magic that disturbs Nergal's dark cloak, which previously made him impervious to divine weapons.)

3.- Durandal still should be given body control regardless, as it might come into play if Eliwood is ever mind manipulated in some versus thread and Durandal manages to keep Eliwood on the fight. Elibe has no way to hurt ghosts, unlike the marth timeline."