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Fate/Grand Order Lostbelt Revision

Intro​


The long awaited Part 2 revisions. As I’m sure most Fate fans on the wiki can tell, most of FGO’s part 2 content is not documented on the wiki. The plan for this CRT is to remedy that, as well as add some other stuff we missed from Part 1 and 1.5. There were a lot of revisions while I worked on this, after all. It’s been over a year since me and a few friends started working on it.

The below is relevant to profiles that already exist, new profiles will be added as this CRT is accepted.

Main Story​

LB 1​

One with most content in the wiki, but some stuff still needs mention:

Ivan’s profile lacks scans for a bunch of stuff. His AP, for one. The plan is to add a few. Example.

Mozart should have sleep manipulation for putting Ivan to sleep

Musashi has more control over her aura now, inducing fear even to fearless creatures such as the Yaga

Ritsuka has stealth

Billy the Kid managed to kill up to 300 Oprichniki by himself, an impressive feat considering they are as strong as a servant by themselves. After doing so, he evolved his Spirit Origin, making his gun 3 times stronger than before.

Mozart should have curse and mind manipulation.

LB 2​

Any user of Primordial Runes should have the same tab that Surtr has. This would include Scathath, Caster Cu, Sigurd and Brynhildr. Reminder that the runes were created by Odin himself and serve as a magecraft foundation, containing the depths of the World, meaning it is about as smurfy as one would expect it. Even a small fraction of the power of a rune was able to bypass Napoleon’s magic resistance. Lancer Cu also would not have it, he only has normal runes. All of this should put the hax of the Primordial Runes at tier 1, and possibly put their AP at said level as well.

Brynhildr can use the Odinseal, a Primordial Rune that gives her a massive surge in power with the draw back of destroying her soul on use. This allowed her to fight Sigurd-Surtr at his full power, making her Low 1-C/1-C with this form.

Brynhildr, after experiencing Ophelia’s eyes once, came with a counter by severing off all possibilities except the one she wants. Probability and Fate manip.

Sigurd’s Bolverk Gram killed Surtr, with Sigurd stating his use of Gram was better than Surtr’s, despite Surtr’s use of Gram being better than anything Chaldea had ever seen before. Should scale accordingly. Brynhildr’s Noble Phantasm was also used to deliver the finishing blow, which is consistent with its maximum output being able to kill Norse Gods.

LB 3​

Independent Manifestation users can travel between dimensions and Lostbelts, as well as just teleport. Dimensional Travel and Teleportation. This includes Merlin, Goetia, Kiara, Tiamat, Kama and Saber Shiki.

In line with her fake-True Ancestor powers, the concept of death is meaningless to Yu.

More stealth for Ritsuka.

Spartacus’s Crying Warmonger matches the power of any attack. Reactive Power Level.

Yu can eat the souls of Servant instantly. This is already listed, but Da Vinci mentions this to be a feat on par with that of a True Ancestor, meaning Arcueid should scale.

Yu, as a True Ancestor, absorbs mana from the World itself

Yu and other True Ancestors can regenerate from Rayshifting, which includes transforming the one Rayshifting into spiritual particles. Low-Godly regeneration, scales to Arcueid also. Should be noticed that Arcueid having trouble regenerating from her soul back when Shiki killed her was a special situation in which her body itself had been killed at the conceptual level, and she couldn’t regenerate it, as its regeneration was negated. Arcueid had to create a new body, with new concepts, to come back, which took much energy.

Li Shuwein can attack Servant’s souls, even knocking them out. This works on Vitch’s soul, whose Spirit Origin is massive

Sage Arts can be used to extend one’s life span.. Li also took Sage Arts lessons from QSH, who can seal away Spirit Origins and Gods.

Yu can disperse her Spirit Origin and discard her physical body.

Yu is equal to a Divided Spirit of the Fusang Tree, allowing her to possess the Tree of Emptiness from China’s Lostbelt. This should be a new key for Yu’s profile, possessing a fully blown Tree of Emptiness.

Yu’s second key is also severely outdated and wrong. Not only is QSH (that the profile states she is equal to) closer to Low 1-C/1-C nowadays (due to several reasons), but the statement is that she’s the only one equal to him philosophically. Obviously a very different situation. She does, however, still have a few Low 1-C/1-C feats by herself, mostly that she’s a True Ancestor level being who’s fusion with the Tree of Emptiness gave it enough energy to fully blossom. For comparison, an incomplete Tree of Emptiness gave enough energy to Surtr for him to return to his prime.

Mash detects heat, gravity and space-time faults, as well as cosmic gamma rays. She also blocks all of these with her shield.

Elementals can join the Counter Force.

LB 4​


Arjuna Alter has a lack of scans describing his AP. Just like Ivan, they will be given.

The Vinama blocks Da Vinci’s scanners.

Arjuna’s presence and power over the world makes the air dry and lonely, which makes it difficult for others to fight at full force.

At the start of the Kali Yuga, Law, Order and Morality cease to exist, before the Gods remake the World. Arjuna controls the Yuga cycle.

The Kali Yuga leads to the air becoming even dryer, plant life to die out, and the fighting ability of others to diminish even further.

After using Mahapralaya, Arjuna reduces the World to nothingness, of which only concepts flow. Time is meaningless as it does not exist. Arjuna can perform the conceptual reconstruction of the World through here. Of note is that Douman and Vitch can exist within this void, although Arjuna could erase them if he wanted.

Arjuna has power over death

The Yugas affect the minds of those within the loop

Arjuna is old.

Arjuna’s destruction is akin to taking a snapshot of the world and editing out whatever he doesn’t like. This destruction is so through that others erased by him have basically never existed in the first place.

Ritsuka’s poison resistance includes diseases.

Lakshimi should have authority resistances due to having, well, authority, over misfortune.

Asvattaman has sutras given to him by Douman that negate dimensional travel

Ganesha’s and Lakshimi’s 1-C durability is wrong. The plan was for their Noble Phantasm to create a natural structure in the world after being sent to the beginning of time, Something as commonplace as the sun or the sky. The moment he realized something could be wrong, Arjuna would instantly delete their Noble Phantasm. Meaning they never tank Mahapralaya in the first place, only get deleted and remade. However, God’s Skyboulder is still impenetrable enough that not even a God could pry it open. Considering context, this means a Hindu God, so it is still Low 1-C/1-C

Karna’s true name release for K&K turned him into Surya’s light, allowing him to maintain his conscience and will even after being erased at the conceptual level.

And even after his Spirit Origin had been erased, he still kept on via sheer force of will.

Asclepius regains his form and comes back to life after being killed, even restoring himself to his previous existence, without even using his Noble Phantasm. It’s unknown if he remade his physical body or his spirit origin, to which I say Low-Godly, possibly High-Godly.

Asclepius bests Douman in battle and kills his shikigami. Back in Shimosa, damage to the soul was needed to do so, as he still is an existence on the level of a Heroic Spirit Swordmaster, meaning soul hax for Asclepius (and all that entails).

Karna’s second key should be renamed to “Post-Resurrection (LB4)”, as he actually takes a bit to become Super Karna (which, speaking of, should be renamed to Burning Three Gods, as that’s the name of the costume in-game). Even before getting Krishna’s divinity, Karna still had Shiva’s full power available to him, meaning he would still be Low 1-C/1-C even back then.

Arjuna has mentioned in his weakness that he can only use Shiva’s authority as a Servant. However, this is completely unsourced and untrue. That is not said anywhere in LB4, his profile, dialogue and even mats. As far as we know, he has all of his Authorities available to him.

LB 5​

More intelligence and preparation feats for Da Vinci.

Musashi’s dimensional hopping is now mastered.

Divine Beasts resist information analysis. This affects Medusa’s Pegasus, Ozy's Sphinxes, Quetz's dinosaur, Semi's Basmu, Iskandar's bulls, Gugalanna and Merem Solomon.



God Artemis’s arrow can kill Caenis at sea, who is both invulnerable and immortal thanks to Poseidon’s authority.

Sherlock skill feat.

Artemis’s arrow can erase others from existence.

Nanomachines from Atlantis can regenerate fatal wounds and restore spirit origins. Low-Mid regen that extends to the soul.

Nanomachines absorb magical energy from the atmosphere.

Nanomachines allow for the users to stay alive even through beatings and wounds that should kill the user. Limited Type 2 immortality.

Artemis can create terminals, which can self-destruct.

Drake seriously harmed Poseidon, getting past his barrier and tearing one of his divine cores out. This is heavily implied to be the work of Pioneer of the Stars.

Orion’s noble phantasm can’t hurt Artemis.

Artemis has invulnerability, which can only be bypassed by Divine Constructs.

Orion beat Caenis so bad Poseidon’s authority broke. Concept hax I guess.

Muramasa created statues with mind control charms.

Charlotte, with the Zeus nanomachines, can obliterate a Cerberus in possession of Demeter’s nanomachines, which can regen up to 90% of his body. Cerberus is a Divine Beast that should be comparable to Pegasus, making those in possession of Zeus nanomachines Low 6-B.

Achilles tanks this pain

He even survives with his heart destroyed. Type 2 immortality.

Memory manipulation for Artemis.

LB 5.2​


Da Vinci created a disguise mystic code that works on the same principles as Holmes’s NP. Ritsuka should have this for equipment. Also, perception manipulation for Holmes.

Holmes has concealment talismans.

He also has mental protection talismans.

Musashi has gotten the power to teleport across large distances in exchange for not being able to hop through universes. Given her ability to pass through Lostbelts and the way Mash has called it “jumping into a higher dimension” to move this way, it’s likely the range is effectively limitless.

Sherlock was implanted with Demeter Klironomia, giving him massive regeneration capabilities. It also is much stronger than that of Atlantis’s Klironomia. Feats down below.

Helena has spells that can tame beasts. Animal Manipulation.

Demeter Klironomia allows users to return to their normal form, no matter the amount of damage they sustain. It even allows for resurrection, and it stops them from aging.

Mash possesses the Black Barrel, a dura negation gun that takes into account the age of targets. She used it to kill Demeter, Aphrodite and Zeus, giving some idea of how strong it is.

Madness Enhancement grants a small amount of protection against Aphrodite’s Authority.

Artemis possessed Authority over mind and madness. Caligula managed to resist it.

Both Musashi and Holmes can, to some very slight extent, resist Aphrodite’s Authority.

Caligula is immune to Aphrodite’s Authority, and his Noble Phantasm uses Artemis’s Authority, allowing him to cancel out Aphrodite’s Authority.

Kintoki has a huge mecha Noble Phantasm. It can harm Aphrodite.

Mash now has the Aegis, a conceptual defense born from Athena’s Authority.

Musashi noticed Douman despite his concealment spells.

Pressure Points for Holmes.

Mash, now possessing Aegis, can block Zeus’s casual lightning.

Demeter’s nanomachines can regenerate from soul destruction, Zeus’s lightning simply bypasses it’s regeneration.

Musashi reaches a state beyond Zero in which she cuts through nonexistence itself, striking at Chaos, a being in another universe beyond time and space, and returning him to his null state. Unknown tier third key I suppose. This probably will be a significant upgrade down the line, but since we're not even sure exactly what happened to Musashi afterwards, an exact tier can't really be given until she inevitably comes back.

Mash has access to Sheba.

Sherlock was in a state of low IQ for the entirety of the Lostbelt. He was also constantly using his Noble Phantasm at all times.

Events/Interludes/Mats/Misc​

Lion King​

Previously, there had been discourse over whether the Lion King would scale to tier 1 or not, given that she was a pretty powerful Divine Spirit of her own right, yet we at Chaldea beat her without outside help.

The conclusion is that, yes, she should be at possibly Low 1-C, but not 1-C. The reason given is that the Lion King’s divinity and power is strong enough to reach Sheba, even though Chaldea exists outside the time axis. Not only was she not serious in the battle against Chaldea, she never actually lost via brute strength. She was only convinced to stop fighting thanks to Bendivere’s Excaliblast showcase.

Note that arguing that all Divine Spirit level characters should automatically scale to her is faulty and arbitrary. Many of the Divine Spirit characters that are fought in FGO are not only defeated easily by the main cast, but many of the gods seen in the series are pretty weak (see: Euryale and Stheno). The statement that Divine Spirit characters are higher dimensional likely refers to their true form, in the “Throne of Gods”.

Now obviously Rhongomyniad itself being infinitely weaker than the Lion King would be weird, but we have Olympus to the rescue with that. Thanks to Beryl's meddling, Rhongo is fired into the Lostbelt and Wodime needs to use a majority of his power to defend against it, with Beryl also stating that the plan was always to use it to destroy Olympus regardless of what Wodime planned. Considering Wodime is able to do things like defeat Zeus and kill the original divine selves of the Dioscuri, he should scale far above [[Artemis (Fate Series)|Artemis]], but still needed a lot of effort just to block Rhongo, which when combined with how it would've been used to destroy the Atlantic Lostbelt (And probably killing Zeus), should be enough to put the NP at Low 1-C, possibly 1-C. There's no reason why this Rhongo should be stronger than the main one, as Morgan was simply said to have "mastered Rhongomyniad as a form of magecraft'', so whatever she did with it should scale to the Lion King's with enough restrictions removed. This would also apply to the regular Lancer Artoria and Lancer Alter's Rhongomyniad for obvious reasons.


This leaves the tiering of the Sword Saints in a bit of a pickle, but luckily, Summer 4 has got us covered:

The knights of the round table, in the Summer 4 singularity, possess special equipment that massively increases their abilities. This includes Gaiwan, who is far stronger than himself using Numeral of the Sun.

Summer Artoria, in that singularity, is far more powerful than all of them. This can be seen when Hokusai beats Artoria, as she declares herself the strongest swimsuit swordmaster.

Tenma Musashi, who uses Zero, was the strongest opponent Hokusai faced in that singularity.

This should make all those who scale to Zero have at least 6-C+ AP, likely far higher.

Ooku​

Kama’s profile is completely using scans in japanese. All of them would be replaced with English scans.

There’s not much to add to her abilities, other than Kama can reduce Servants to their smallest components, but Kama’s AP needs a lot of revising. While initially she was, indeed, comparable to Kiara, she was growing stronger through Ooku’s events, even stating she would become a true Beast. Thus, it would look something like this:

(In her initial form, she was the equal and opposite of [[Kiara Sessyoin]], who would need her powers as Beast III/R to have a chance of defeating her, putting her above the likes of [[BB (Fate/Extra CCC)|BB]]). '''Higher''' upon further evolving (After defeating Kiara in the Ooku, Kama stepped closer to full maturity as a Beast, her magical energy output increasing even further and likely making her nearly as strong as a fully mature Beast like [[Goetia]] or [[Tiamat (Fate)|Tiamat]])

Saber Wars II​


Once again, major japanese to english scan replacements for every character in this event.

Also incredibly relevant is the composition of the Servantverse, as well as the many shenanigans it leads to. While originally, the universe was extremely similar to, if not just the same as ours, an unknown Universe Update took place, basically performing Heaven’s Feel on humanity. All of civilization had turned into Servants. As a result, the universe had produced far more Ether than exists in the normal universe, becoming a nearly omnipresent form of energy. There were also many more forms of energy found within the universe unrelated to it. This universe is far more suitable for Servants and Magecraft in general. This would explain the pleotera of far more powerful feats found within the Servantverse performed by normal Servants. This would mean a new key for many characters, including:

all the MHXes, Space Ishtar, Jane, Yagyu and the Six Blades.

As for feats? We have: MHX and MHX Alter destroying planets in their missions. (Note that due vagueness and consistency, this will be treated as a “destroying a planet within the texture of the World'' scenario, as the cosmology of the Servantverse is still largely unknown)

Anastacia freezing over the surface of a gas giant

MHX’s sword can destroy planets (and yes I know that says stars, but the kanji was “hoshi”, which can mean either, and planets makes more sense)

MHX Alter can cut through planets with her Noble Phantasm

Any Servant in the Servantverse being capable of piloting ships manually and race with them. Maana, an old model, could travel nearly at the speed of light. MHX states that Ritsuka does not have the reactions needed to pilot the ship, stating that by the time they spotted a black hole, they would already be inside.

Lancelot, with Knight of Owner, hit the Maana while it was on full acceleration. There are a lot of examples of this happening too, this is just the most implicit.

So, High 6-A, likely 5-B, and FTL reactions/combat seems most consistent.

Now, as for hax and other AP:

As an addendum, galaxy and universe are interchangeable here.

Gods can alter their age.

Eresh and Ishtar can scan entire hemisphere’s at once, with both of them being capable of scanning the entire World. Seeing as it’s mentioned that other Gods would be alerted, and that Eresh found out she wasn’t on the planet at all, it’s safe to assume it means they scanned all the bullshit metaphysical realms as well, not just the Textures.

There are numerous mentions of Ashtart surpassing Yagyu in skill. Yagyu is not only 10k years old, he is also called a sword saint, meaning he likely mastered Suigetsu.

Dark Maana can spread wanted posters to all corners of the universe.

Ishtar’s ship can translate Ritsuka’s brain waves into data.

Ishtar, Jane, MHX and other Servantverse characters should have MFTL+ travel speed with their ship´s via warping.

One of the big points of contention about whether Space Ishtar could scale to the main universe or not is that there wasn’t a good base for her doing so. Well, that changes now. The Origin Universe is the same kind of universe as the one from the main setting, only populated largely by gods also. And this is not a “universe within textures” scenario, as the Bel Maana, which is Ishtar’s main body and that which represents the galaxy’s Spirit Origin (galaxy in this case being the Origin Universe), is composed of the higher dimensional soul of a goddess. Seeing as Souls are already 4-D, this is referencing the Divine Spirit’s higher dimensional existence, or the universe’s higher dimensional nature (after all, just the Earth by itself has 6-D realms and possibly even 8-D structures, and the universe is even more massive). Keep this information for later, it is relevant. Although, it should be noted that, with this information, Edin Shugura Quasar is already Low 1-C/1-C, seeing as it works by converting the galaxy’s Spirit Origin (which, as already said, is higher dimensional) into energy and firing.

MHXA once altered half the universe’s Spirit Origins to feel and be affected by hunger.

Tamamo Cat’s curse can induce a spatial loop

The Primordial Goddess (aka prime Space Ishtar. All of the feats mentioned here scale to Ashtart Origin and Ishtar Ashtart) can reduce the universe to nothingness.

Ashtart can cheat the laws of the Shining Blue Galaxy (aka the Servantverse)

British people can make their food come alive.

Beni Emma can make out the threads of fate around someone and understand their cooking ability in combat.

Sigurd from the Servantverse is directly compared to Yagyu.

Jane, with prep time, managed to trap the Primordial Goddess, and Sigurd’s NP was powerful enough to obliterate her Spirit Core and soul.

Ashtart Origin can literally cut the universe in half, overriding the laws of the Shining Blue Galaxy with the ones of the Origin Universe.

The Primordial Goddess, and thus Ashtart Origin and Ishtar Ashtart, can survive without her spirit origin and soul.

She also cursed Jane and Sigurd to be immortal.

The Primordial Goddess was swallowing up Ashtart, absorbing her. It also beamed down fear into both Jane and Space Ishtar so they would be unable to move closer. Ritsuka was unaffected.

Gods are no more than concepts with personalities. More evidence for that AE Type 1 for Gods.

The Primordial Goddess was the strongest of all Gods, and other Gods can permanently put the other down. This is important later.

Her presence threatens to destroy the laws of the universe.

The profiles already state this, but there is more to it: Servants in the Shining Blue Galaxy don’t just die, they eventually respawn elsewhere, are reincarnated or interfere into parallel worlds. This is closer to Type 4 immortality than Resurrection. It should then be noted that the Primordial Goddess conceptually refuses this immortality, as in her universe, people would age and die. This should then be considered Immortality Negation (Type 1, 4 and 9). She can also revive Servants too.

The Goddess survived the destruction of her soul, slowly remaking her soul over the course of 2k years. However, this is only so because she desired, as she split her Soul in 2 of her own accord. Thus, Ishtar and Ashtart are two halves of her soul, while her temple is her body. It is then explained that Gods are not bound by the rules of the living, as their soul is only a part of their existence. The Primordial Goddess’s corpse, even without a soul, still manifested itself with a soul, as the importance of it to a God is the same as a single cell to a human, further cementing that she could have regenerated from the destruction of her soul whenever she desired. Obviously, this is High Godly regen and type 2 immortality to all Gods, thanks to the revisions to the Soul. Even more important, however, is how it was said previously that other Gods could put each other down permanently, which gives them all High Godly negation and Type 2 immortality negation. as well as 8.

Her true form, Bel Maana, can make others lose their mind just by gazing at it. Both Ishtars, Jane and Ritsuka were okay.

Ishtar Ashtart has a form of Invulnerability where all attacks smaller than a Galaxy would not affect her. This is because she is the universe itself, which is true even for her avatar in the form of a human. akin to a shadow. As a result, her Spirit Origin is conceptual (or conceptualer more like) in nature, and attacking her is the equivalent of swinging at the empty space between constellations. Remind yourselves of the nature of the universe and it quickly becomes obvious that this is Higher-Dimensional Existence, as well Invulnerability for her Avatar/Manifestation. Also, Avatar Creation.

Edin Shugura Quasar can erase her opponents.

MHXA can send others back in time.

Ashtart’s attack that hit Edin Shugura Quasar back was not a suicide attack, it was her using her Authority. This wouldn’t normally be a suicide attack, as she was already dead the moment the shrine absorbed her.

Both Ishtar Ashtart and Ashtart Origin are conceptual universes.

They are both the same concept, with both spirit origins having the same source. Thus, their powers should be equal, however, Ishtar Ashtart was slowly overpowering her. After which, Ishtar Ashtar kills Ashtart Origin, proving her superiority.

MHX destroys Bel Maana, the real body of the Primordial Goddess and the higher dimensional soul that embodies the Origin Universe and all it stands for in one attack, with her new NP. This is currently listed as dura negation in her profile, for some reason, even though there is no statements of that around, and it’s an upgrade to her Skill that represents her sword, which could already destroy planets. So, she should be Low 1-C/1-C.

MHX Alter can send souls back to their bodies

The Primordial Goddess could understand atoms.

Ecchan, as a dead person (?), can warp reality with her thoughts.

Ecchan mastered the Infinite Paste Bean, which really should be tiered now. Something like:

"Universe level+ with Infinity Black Bean Paste (Grants MHX Alter complete control over time, space and reality on a universal scale, the scope of this shown by her ability to turn half the universe into a confectionary factory or make half of the Spirit Origins in the Servant Universe feel hunger), possibly far higher (It is unknown if the extent of the Infinity Black Bean Paste is limited to the normal layers of space-time, or if it extends to the more conceptual, higher-dimensional parts of it)"

Should work.

Holy Grail Tabs​

So, a lot of characters have Holy Grails, or powers similar to it. I propose we add a specific tab for those users, for what they can do with it.

Dream Manipulation (Shown by Angra Mainyu)

Law Manipulation, Power Modification (The Grail is the laws of the world that decide how magical energy is used in said world)

Conceptual Manipulation (Many feats, including applying the concept of pirate to the waters to create infinitely many pirates)

Durability Negation and Resistance Negation (The Grail was continuously granting Drake’s wish of “whatever it is, gunfire is effective”, killing monsters many times stronger than guns)

Causality Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation (The Grail can shift events and eras freely. The Grail created the Singularities from Part 1. Can cut off continents from history)

Teleportation (Self-explanatory)

Summoning (Can summon any number of Servants: see literally all of Part 1 of FGO)

Reality Warping, Physics Manipulation (Ishtar used a Grail to paste the Texture of Venus into the singularity she found)

Outer Gods​

This should be simple.

Outer Gods, as established in Salem, are beings of a higher level of existence in relation to the Demon God Pillars of Goetia, existing beyond that of their reach, beyond that which can be found in parallel dimensions. This is important, as the reach of the Demon God Pillars of Goetia is immense, enough for them to reach into the Extra timeline and into the Moon Cell.

It is earlier stated that the Outer God Sut-Typhon, the Outer God of the Gate, exists beyond the Ultimate Gate, which represents all possible dimensions, with it also being stated to border all possible dimensions.

Abigail, using Sut-Typhon’s powers, can reach across all of space-time. Later on, Abigail explains that she still isn’t using it to its full power, with Ritsuka remarking its full power would be an even higher dimension of travel than Rayshifting.

All in all, it can be discerned that Outer Gods exist in an even higher dimension than the World and its inhabitants, making them 7-D, possibly 9-D. Currently, this scales to no one in particular, with the exception to Abigail’s noble phantasm, which opens a portal to beyond the Ultimate Gate. This should net her NP a 1-C rating.

Misc​

Characters who manipulate Imaginary Numbers need to have Conceptual Manipulation added, as Imaginary Numbers are more real than concepts, and have no concept of space and time

Additionally, there are many users of Imaginary Numbers who are not listed with it currently, such as Sakura Matou, Sheba, Surtr, Goetia, Angra Mainyu and some others.

Gods and Divine Spirits should get Abstract Existence and Type 8 immortality.

Nobunaga, as Archer, should have Pocket Dimension Manipulation, Heat Manipulation and Existence Erasure



Merlin should have a tier 1 key, as after Solomon died, he became Grand Caster:



Schez's interlude shows she can summon all of Part 1's enemies, with the exception of Tiamat and Goetia, including the Lion King. This should give her up to Low 1-C with summoning.

Profiles​

As this revision goes and is accepted, I will steadily post profiles and update already existing ones;
Finally+I agree
 
This CRT need to be applied quick, anyone want to since Crimson doesn't have much time atm?
I have already made new pages. Calm yourself.

I'll go add stuff later, don't mess with profiles while I'm gone. Also letting this thread open so I can ask for pages to be open when needed.
 
sees dozens of existing pages for Fate that need to be updated, and knows entirely new pages are also being added: "Bruh why isn't everything done already"

People have lives outside this, be patient
 
The news is that I got in on college. Had exams this week, should be able to work on this again now that they are done.
I mean, do you refuse if someone else applied for you? Perhaps, you have college and stress, so I think this is the best solution tho
 
A little bit misinterpretation in the this words. The scans show that the following is said: Sut-Typhon IS a great gates that represents all possible dimensions, Sut-Typhon is enshrined outside of the universe and Ultimate Gate, Sut-Typhon borders all possible dimensions and tied to everything;
the Ultimate Gate acts as something that has not yet been described completely: all that we know that this thing is outside of all possible dimensions and Yog, despite encompasses Ultimate Gate just as all other Gates, resides beyond it. In addition, Abigail, with her NP, opens a portal not beyond the Ultimate Gate, but to them, cause she acts as guardian of this gate:
...Moving beyond the sleep of roses, the realm of dreams, we arrive at the final gate!;

Those Who Guide: A
A servant of the otherworldly God who guards the ultimate gate. When one bearing the silver key arrives at the gate, she offers them their final trial.

Also we need to notice that the Sut-Typhon acts not just like other Outer Gods, but as their Outer Universe (said by Summer Kiara):
It may not be my place to say this, but...a Foreigner?
My understanding is that consorting with Servants of that sort is dangerous.
And I sense something especially sinister from that Abigail girl. A remote universe beyond even the Buddha's reach... I cannot help but to be intrigued...

Oh, no, I am absolutely not saying that because I am envious of her swimsuit that absolutely screams "cute!"

Then, we should not forget about the Dreamlands that appears to be A LOT larger thing compare to physical world, and that Dream World is still to be a part of Sut-Typhon:
The world surrounding the target is smoothly transformed.
The target is invited to a world of dreams without being aware of its boundaries.

Those who witness the true form of the world hidden on the other side of everyday life with its overwhelming resolution and mass, lose their fighting spirit and will even struggle to maintain their ego.

Moreover, we also have to remember that just arriving at the Ultimate Gate (that exist beyond even the Dreamlands) is already a thing that bound by no limits:
...As it is a phenomenon bound by no limits, it would normally be considered an Anti-World Noble Phantasm.

So we can say that Nasuverse's Yog IS all dimensions in Nasuverse (that also consider the Dreamlands) as well as it borders all dimensions at the same time being beyond them; Yog resides beyond Ultimate Gate that exists outside of the all possible dimensions and Universe (that unknown what sense that word have, cause it can be interpreted as all existence in Nasuverse as well as something that just encompasses space-time) and that Ultimate Gate is part of him; Yog IS everything; Yog IS the Outer Universe that exist beyond the Parallel Worlds and encompasses other Outer Gods within itself.

I think we need a profile of the Sut-Typhon on wiki, cause it's extremely powerful and need's description.

NOTE: need to understand that words 'Outer God' in Nasuverse it's just status for entities that came from Outer Universe and that's status don't describes any power.
 
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I agree to put it simply though only if the others agree since tier 1 stuff is out of my league.
I mean, this version of Yog is minimum Low 1-A ('cause it's unclear what about his relationship with Root), cause all of existence (really doesn't matter how large it is) and that infinity that lies beyond it (Outer Universe + Ultimate Gate and beyond them) it's Sut-Typhon's parts.
 
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Then, we should not forget about the Dreamlands that appears to be A LOT larger thing compare to physical world, and that Dream World is still to be a part of Sut-Typhon:
The world surrounding the target is smoothly transformed.
The target is invited to a world of dreams without being aware of its boundaries.

Those who witness the true form of the world hidden on the other side of everyday life with its overwhelming resolution and mass, lose their fighting spirit and will even struggle to maintain their ego.
I don't see how this implies to be larger.
 
I don't see how this implies to be larger.
It's said that things, that acts as targets for NP, can't be aware about boundaries of Dreamlands and that any guy that will realise real form of Dreamlands will driven to some sort of insanity. That should work for anyone in Parallel Worlds, cause Dreamlands, as said earlier, is Sut-Typhon's part, and Parallel Worlds includes guys like BB, Kiara, Goetia e.t.c.
 
I mean, this version of Yog is minimum Low 1-A (cause it's unclear what about his relationship with Root), cause all of existence (really doesn't matter how large it is) and that infinity that lies beyond it (Outer Universe + Ultimate Gate) it's Sut-Typhon's parts.

I’ll agree on that once the most knowledgeable members of fate agree cause I’m not like you guys here being good with numbers and other conceptual powers and similar things like that
 
It sounds more madness manipulation rather a size to be larger.
It's said that things, that acts as targets for NP, can't be aware about boundaries of Dreamlands and that any guy that will realise real form of Dreamlands will driven to some sort of insanity. That should work for anyone in Parallel Worlds, cause Dreamlands, as said earlier, is Sut-Typhon's part, and Parallel Worlds includes guys like BB, Kiara, Goetia e.t.c.
 
For size statements, it should be mentioned it is larger, otherwise the users who turn into insanity just could not imagine how big boundaries are.
 
For size statements, it should be mentioned it is larger, otherwise the users who turn into insanity just could not imagine how big boundaries are.
Well, it was said here:
The target is invited to a world of dreams without being aware of its boundaries.

Then, it was said that realising the real size of the Dreamlands do funny things with target's mind:
Those who witness the true form of the world hidden on the other side of everyday life with its overwhelming resolution and mass, lose their fighting spirit and will even struggle to maintain their ego.
 
I struggle to see anything talking about the size of the world in this context. Apologies.
 
FGO writers just Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V all info about Yog. They took that from "Through the Gates of the Silver Key" and put essence of the book into descriptions of Abigail's forms and few lines on Part 7
 
If you want to upgrade Sut Typhon, wouldn’t it be better if you made another CRT ? People aren’t likely to check your arguments about that here.
This thread created for LB and here's Outer Gods mentioned. Soo... And if you begin another CRT guys will send link for this thread (I saw this a few times). And that not upgrade, this is creation of new page, 'cause Abby =\= Sut-Typhon
 
yeah but that would be considered
derailing from the OP and people already know this crt was accepted so aren’t likely to check the recent answers. Since you want to apply something different from the arguments shown here (Low 1-A Sut-Typhon), you should make a new CRT to get more visibility ; that also applies to the creation of a new profile. Take it as you will though.
 
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